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« Reply #125 on: January 10, 2013, 06:11:57 AM »

Human beings are ANIMALS.

Our only goal is to SURVIVE and REPRODUCE.

Everything else focuses on the above two concepts. That is it.

Anything else you tell yourself is part of a coping defence mechanism in your mind, a part of your EGO, the conscious and self-aware part of your existence, a DELUSION which helps you cope with the 'reality'.
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« Reply #126 on: January 10, 2013, 06:23:15 AM »

Human beings are ANIMALS.

Our only goal is to SURVIVE and REPRODUCE.

Everything else focuses on the above two concepts. That is it.

Anything else you tell yourself is part of a coping defence mechanism in your mind, a part of your EGO, the conscious and self-aware part of your existence, a DELUSION which helps you cope with the 'reality'.
This is how the whole thing has been designed by God for believers, or by "nature" for atheists. We have no control over it, we do not even choose to be in the game, the only option left is to understand the rules, use them to dominate , be happy, if we fail to understand them or refuse to play the game, we're condemned to suffering. In fact, an happy human being is happy because even if he's dominated in some aspects of his existence, he still has other parts of his life where he dominates. The irony is not one individual on earth dominates everyone in everything he does, so every single human being fails at something even if he seems to succeed at everything. The lesson to be learned here is ; find someone to dominate, and an occupation where you excel and dominate others, and you will be happy. The choice of a life partner and an occupation being the two most important choices a human being faces during his existence, as everything else is conditionned by them.
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« Reply #127 on: January 10, 2013, 06:46:12 AM »

according to Mike Mentzer, man's achievement of his own personal goals is the key to his happiness and success in life

and he also claimed that we are currently living not just in a dark age, but in a black hole
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« Reply #128 on: January 10, 2013, 06:50:16 AM »

This is how the whole thing has been designed by God for believers, or by "nature" for atheists. We have no control over it, we do not even choose to be in the game, the only option left is to understand the rules, use them to dominate , be happy, if we fail to understand them or refuse to play the game, we're condemned to suffering. In fact, an happy human being is happy because even if he's dominated in some aspects of his existence, he still has other parts of his life where he dominates. The irony is not one individual on earth dominates everyone in everything he does, so every single human being fails at something even if he seems to succeed at everything. The lesson to be learned here is ; find someone to dominate, and an occupation where you excel and dominate others, and you will be happy. The choice of a life partner and an occupation being the two most important choices a human being faces during his existence, as everything else is conditionned by them.

But to DOMINATE is soothing a part of the EGO, part of the DELUSION and the ILLUSION.

It is part of a NEUROSIS, where the person has to keep reliving these sensations in order to give them VALIDATION and quell their neurosis and the conflict of their ego.

It is a symptom of WEAKNESS.

To keep showing that one needs to dominate, to get a constant thrill the perceived weakness over another and to hold a feeling of 'power' is in fact a symptom of the narcissist; a sociopath or even a psychopath.

The reason for this is that their UNCONSCIOUS mind is telling them they are WEAK while their conscious mind does not know it, and this is why they act the way they do. It is a symptom of neurosis and conflict within their ego.
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« Reply #129 on: January 10, 2013, 08:03:15 AM »

But to DOMINATE is soothing a part of the EGO, part of the DELUSION and the ILLUSION.

It is part of a NEUROSIS, where the person has to keep reliving these sensations in order to give them VALIDATION and quell their neurosis and the conflict of their ego.

It is a symptom of WEAKNESS.

To keep showing that one needs to dominate, to get a constant thrill the perceived weakness over another and to hold a feeling of 'power' is in fact a symptom of the narcissist; a sociopath or even a psychopath.

The reason for this is that their UNCONSCIOUS mind is telling them they are WEAK while their conscious mind does not know it, and this is why they act the way they do. It is a symptom of neurosis and conflict within their ego.

Huh? Domination has nothing to do with an ego or anything, these are false human made concepts, but the reality that underlies everything is animal, not philosophical.
Groink will  show off his steroids biceps to feel better about his failed family, his education/occupation, he needs to dominate in at least one aspect of his existence or life would have no point if it was only about suffering and being belittled by other people for his weaknesses.
In fact we all try to compensate our shortcomings with something, we all have, represent, a main strategy of survival which is a combination of both inherited and acquired strategies of survival. A human being is a complex system of strategies of survival and it defines his, her "character", the "individual, person" he, she is. If the system is complex, its purpose is easy to understand; survival. Survival underlies all life processes ar work. Survival underlies everything that exists. As mentionned earlier, as a human, hapiness is caracterized by the capacity to dominate instead of being dominate, there are alpha males and females -thinking alike and sticking together- just like there are alpha males and females in other animal species reigning over weaker, slower members of their group. Being alpha in the human specie is correlated with having a lot of money/power/opporunities, this is the system we created to apply natural selection in our specie; you either play the game or you dont. If you are forced to play by the rules, but are in a position of submission, then you produce an offspring hoping it will raise above your own condition, which gives a meaning to your "failed" existence. In fact the only genuinely happy people in the human species are those who: are smarter, richer, and have an offspring that will succeed them. They have all the necessary ingredients for the recipe of hapiness. Still they can lose it all just like everyone else. They are also models everyone else below their position tries to emulate.
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« Reply #130 on: January 10, 2013, 08:07:11 AM »

i'm not so sure about this domination thing, i think it's more about being "free"

whatever being "free" means exactly, i don't know...
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« Reply #131 on: January 10, 2013, 08:15:25 AM »

i'm not so sure about this domination thing, i think it's more about being "free"

whatever being "free" means exactly, i don't know...

"freedom" ...

to dominate ... instead of being dominated. Look around yourself; everyone thinks he s better than you , you think you re better than everyone else, you can feel good either cooperating, giving, teaching or submiting others. We all barely tolerate, pretend to tolerate others. We are in fact all calculating each others weaknesses and strenghts and thinking "you might have this, but you dont have that" to make ourselves feel better about our own existence, this is what goes on in our minds all the time.
 Sounds a bit cynical but that's the reality.
We all constantly compensate for what we dont have by looking at what others dont have and we have.
This is the purpose of our brain btw. Those who have it all (looks, money, health, enjoyable occupation, envious attention from everyone else) are the real gods in the atheist society. Not all rich, famous people have it all, you see some of them have a nervous breakdown once in a while, or not being satisfied by one apect of their lives... But there are some people who simply might not care about what you consider they re lacking. Those ones are the happiest ones: rich fat dude dating models because of the money.
 You want to be free = you dont want to be forced to be submitted to someone else power over your life, you dont want someone else to submit you in order to earn a salary he gives you, a salary that allows you to buy the things you enjoy. This is why people created the "money leads the (human) world /is the only god" motto. In the human specie you can survive doing things that you dont want , like, to do. It doesnt exist in other animal species; in other animal species you are forced to kill or get killed. In the human specie you need to earn money to survive, animals dont care about money; you either kill or get killed. Well in fact, it's the same in the human specie; you kill yourself earning money and even if you have the money , you re killing yourself if you earn it not doing what you like / dominating others. This is why again the logical conclusion is that only people who are at the top of the pyramid can be truly happy , because they dominate unilaterally and dont have to care about money.
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« Reply #132 on: January 10, 2013, 08:24:49 AM »

"freedom" ...

to dominate ... instead of being dominated. Look around yourself; everyone thinks he s better than you , you think you re better than everyone else, you can feel good either cooperating, giving, teaching or submiting others. We all barely tolerate, pretend to tolerate others. We are in fact all calculating each others weaknesses and strenghts and thinking "you might have this, but you dont have that" to make ourselves feel better about our own existence, this is what goes on in our minds all the time.
 Sounds a bit cynical but that's the reality.
We all constantly compensate for what we dont have by looking at what others dont have and we have.
This is the purpose of our brain btw. Those who have it all (looks, money, health, enjoyable occupation, envious attention from everyone else) are the real gods in the atheist society. Not all rich, famous people have it all, you see some of them have a nervous breakdown once in a while, or not being satisfied by one apect of their lives... But there are some people who simply might not care about what you consider they re lacking. Those ones are the happiest ones: rich fat dude dating models because of the money.
 You want to be free = you dont want to be forced to be submitted to someone else power over your life, you dont want someone else to submit you in order to earn a salary he gives you, a salary that allows you to buy the things you enjoy. This is why people created the "money leads the (human) world /is the only god" motto. In the human specie you can survive doing things that you dont want , like, to do. It doesnt exist in other animal species; in other animal species you are forced to kill or get killed. In the human specie you need to earn money to survive, animals dont care about money; you either kill or get killed. Well in fact, it's the same in the human specie; you kill yourself earning money and even if you have the money , you re killing yourself if you earn it not doing what you like / dominating others. This is why again the logical conclusion is that only people who are at the top of the pyramid can be truly happy , because they dominate unilaterally and dont have to care about money.

i hear what you're saying, but Christ himself said... "and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free"

still not sure if this truth that He was/is talking about is to dominate others...

and btw, Christ himself said that He is/was a servant, so do servants dominate?
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« Reply #133 on: January 10, 2013, 08:35:23 AM »

i hear what you're saying, but Christ himself said... "and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free"

still not sure if this truth that He was/is talking about is to dominate others...

and btw, Christ himself said that He is/was a servant, so do servants dominate?
Dominate them the benevolent way probably, instead of crushing them unfairly. But it's pretty to tough to tell when someone dominate being benevolent or malvolent; the person below him who thinks he s getting badly treated might be right or wrong. In the end, the dominating person wether he is benevolent or malvolent, is the one laughing; he doesnt have to worry about his own survival. Fact is in life we all spend a lot of time trying to find people who think just like we do, and learn ot ignore those who dont. There is no point living with people who dont think alike as it is a constant pain in the ass -that most people who are not at the top of the pyramid have to deal with daily-. The point of life in the human specie is to not being forced to deal daily with people you dont like, and if you are forced to, to dominate them.

As i mentionned it earlier, we only stick to people who think just like we do, we see no point wasting time being in conflict with our main view of things. Even on a messageboard like getbig you can see people who think alike stick together; people with the same insecurities stick together. An internet messageboard is like your random everyday school's yard, it's especially important for people who have few or no real life friends and use the internet as a way to emulate, simulate this school yard.
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« Reply #134 on: January 10, 2013, 11:31:53 PM »

Human beings are ANIMALS.

Our only goal is to SURVIVE and REPRODUCE.

Everything else focuses on the above two concepts. That is it.

Anything else you tell yourself is part of a coping defence mechanism in your mind, a part of your EGO, the conscious and self-aware part of your existence, a DELUSION which helps you cope with the 'reality'.

Just because evolution programs us to pursue certain default goals doesn't mean we can't formulate our own, above and beyond the uncaring influence of mindless biological processes.

In fact, this ability seems to be a defining feature of human beings: people can (and often do) achieve goals they deem important in opposition to the basicmost evolutionary goals (e.g., using contraception).

Your thesis is unfalsifiable, since for any human goal G that appears to be in opposition to evolutionary purpose, you will always be able to assert that a person is deluded about their motivations for pursuing G and that the truth lies in their subconscious. Unfalsifiable theses can't be evaluated either way so don't have much merit -- we have no reason to believe they are true (for example, I can say that undetectable invisible gnomes really cause the planets to rotate as they do, but we have no reason to believe the claim because we can't possibly assess it either way).
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« Reply #135 on: January 10, 2013, 11:48:58 PM »

Just because evolution programs us to pursue certain default goals doesn't mean we can't formulate our own, above and beyond the uncaring influence of mindless biological processes.

In fact, this ability seems to be a defining feature of human beings: people can (and often do) achieve goals they deem important in opposition to the basicmost evolutionary goals (e.g., using contraception).

Your thesis is unfalsifiable, since for any human goal G that appears to be in opposition to evolutionary purpose, you will always be able to assert that a person is deluded about their motivations for pursuing G and that the truth lies in their subconscious. Unfalsifiable theses can't be evaluated either way so don't have much merit -- we have no reason to believe they are true (for example, I can say that undetectable invisible gnomes really cause the planets to rotate as they do, but we have no reason to believe the claim because we can't possibly assess it either way).

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« Reply #136 on: January 10, 2013, 11:53:32 PM »

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« Reply #137 on: January 11, 2013, 01:32:58 AM »

Just because evolution programs us to pursue certain default goals doesn't mean we can't formulate our own, above and beyond the uncaring influence of mindless biological processes.

In fact, this ability seems to be a defining feature of human beings: people can (and often do) achieve goals they deem important in opposition to the basicmost evolutionary goals (e.g., using contraception).

Your thesis is unfalsifiable, since for any human goal G that appears to be in opposition to evolutionary purpose, you will always be able to assert that a person is deluded about their motivations for pursuing G and that the truth lies in their subconscious. Unfalsifiable theses can't be evaluated either way so don't have much merit -- we have no reason to believe they are true (for example, I can say that undetectable invisible gnomes really cause the planets to rotate as they do, but we have no reason to believe the claim because we can't possibly assess it either way).

Dress it up as you want but in the end, all the other 'goals' have the same objectives.

It's just another way for us to tell ourselves there's more 'meaning' just as you're doing right now.
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« Reply #138 on: January 11, 2013, 02:27:29 PM »

Dress it up as you want but in the end, all the other 'goals' have the same objectives.

It's just another way for us to tell ourselves there's more 'meaning' just as you're doing right now.


Dress it up as you want but in the end, all the planets rotate because of undetectable, invisible gnomes.

Scientific explanations to the contrary are vain efforts to avoid this fact.
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« Reply #139 on: January 11, 2013, 04:19:44 PM »

Dress it up as you want but in the end, all the other 'goals' have the same objectives.

It's just another way for us to tell ourselves there's more 'meaning' just as you're doing right now.


It must suck to live life as Griffith, believing, as  you do, that you are nothing but a robot with no free will and no ability to decide your own fate; only able to do whatever was preprogrammed into you by some mysterious supernatural force.
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« Reply #140 on: January 11, 2013, 04:31:32 PM »

How factual is science? We dont know shit.
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« Reply #141 on: January 11, 2013, 04:38:09 PM »

It must suck to live life as Griffith, believing, as  you do, that you are nothing but a robot with no free will and no ability to decide your own fate; only able to do whatever was preprogrammed into you by some mysterious supernatural force.

Other animals have instincts and so do we.

Every major decision we make is based upon our instinct to survive and reproduce just like any other bacteria or germ that exists.
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« Reply #142 on: January 11, 2013, 08:00:33 PM »

Other animals have instincts and so do we.

What they don't have, however, is a rational faculty.

Every major decision we make is based upon our instinct to survive and reproduce just like any other bacteria or germ that exists.

That's patently untrue - no doubt our instinct for survival is strong and is an important factor in the decisions we make, but we can and do override it all the time. And that is something else that differentiates us from animals: our instincts advise us - they don't control us.
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« Reply #143 on: January 11, 2013, 09:52:56 PM »


What I find amusing is that someone whom is stating he has a high IQ actually posts the Wechsler intelligence test for CHILDREN. This is a reflection of your intelligence as an Adult, in fact it is stated that the scale would be reduced making your ADULT IQ in the vicinity of about 120.... Average at best...





This wasn't intended to be a thesis, it was merely a thought provoking post.  Of course I have a much more thorough and coherent theory of the MULTIVERSE, but it wold require that my audience have at least a fundamental understanding of Quantum Physics, Classical Physics, EMERGENT PROPERTIES, fractal gemoetry, and THE BRAIN.


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« Reply #144 on: January 11, 2013, 09:56:50 PM »

What they don't have, however, is a rational faculty.

That's patently untrue - no doubt our instinct for survival is strong and is an important factor in the decisions we make, but we can and do override it all the time. And that is something else that differentiates us from animals: our instincts advise us - they don't control us.
Total nonsense.  Many animals have rational faculty.

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« Reply #145 on: January 11, 2013, 10:00:21 PM »

This wasn't intended to be a thesis, it was merely a thought provoking post.  Of course I have a much more thorough and coherent theory of the MULTIVERSE, but it wold require that my audience have at least a fundamental understanding of Quantum Physics, Classical Physics, EMERGENT PROPERTIES, fractal gemoetry, and THE BRAIN.

Good news! I have graduate degrees in Computer Science and Mathematics. And, as luck would have it I have done extensive work in computational physics.

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« Reply #146 on: January 11, 2013, 10:01:16 PM »

Total nonsense.  Many animals have rational faculty.

I don't think "rational faculty" means what you think it means.
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« Reply #147 on: January 11, 2013, 10:51:46 PM »

I don't think "rational faculty" means what you think it means.
endowed with the faculty of reason/Exercising sound and reasonable judgement with the ability to display abstract thought which lead to abstract solutions.
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« Reply #148 on: January 11, 2013, 10:54:30 PM »

I don't think "rational faculty" means what you think it means.
I don`t think you know what you are talking about.
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« Reply #149 on: January 12, 2013, 12:12:58 AM »

endowed with the faculty of reason/Exercising sound and reasonable judgement with the ability to display abstract thought which lead to abstract solutions.

And how many of those traits do non-human animals demonstrate?
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