How to get contest shredded for anyone - discussion

[ukjeff]

What other reason would there be for juicing EINSTEIN, did you come up with that one on your own.

Lol, so you couldn't gain on your own then you post

I did not juice in 2009 till 2010, I ran a marathon in 2009 and tried to purposely lose 30 lb of muscle and it was hard to do, In fact it was near impossible for me to go under 200 lb despite being on no juice and having single digit body fat level, so even naturally and not training with weights I am still muscular to some degree.

So you simply cant get rid of all your massive ripped muscles either?  
I wonder if all your cronies will round on you and call you a bullshit artist after that pile of bollocks.

Question?..... Did you stop bodybuilding cause your genetics rejected aas and your body did not change no matter how much juice you took?

No, I stopped because I didn't want to go down the road of taking any more than I was at the time and i had better things to do that compete in bodybuilding shows, oh, and I took 750 mgs a week total at my highest. believe it or not.

Im not going to bother with you again after this post because its clear aren't cut out for this, I could end up driving you mad.

Bye Bye OTH.

[a_ahmed]

wow you guys are still going at it?

Hey OTH, I dropped 7.5" off my waist since getting back in the game in may last year. I got new pix I haven't showed you (back shot). Won't post here. You're too busy man.

I'm contemplating a bulk in 2 months. I feel like trying m1t for the first time. hmmm.

[OTHstrong]

wow you guys are still going at it?

Hey OTH, I dropped 7.5" off my waist since getting back in the game in may last year. I got new pix I haven't showed you (back shot). Won't post here. You're too busy man.

I'm contemplating a bulk in 2 months. I feel like trying m1t for the first time. hmmm.

Wow, that is awesome bro, fuck you are so close to being shredded bro, fuck it, go all the way, what you have been through takes some serious will power brother. PM me the pic, will be back in a few hours, was gone for a week doing a job out of town.

As for Jeff, I am just fucken with him a bit, he already ruined himself on here cause getbig does not tolerate 2 things; 1 is a liar and 2 is playing dumb and clever acting like the getbig crowd was born yesterday and he has done both unfortunately.

[Krankenstein]

Shit, you beat me to it!!!!!!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22835211

The energy in the very low carb diet was derived for 55 percent from fat, for 40 percent from protein and for 5 percent from carbohydrates. The gymnasts consumed 1970 kcal per day. Their protein intake was high: 2.8 g per kg bodyweight per day. The low-carb diet was therefore also a high-protein diet.

Our data suggest that athletes who underwent a very low carbohydrate ketogenic diets with adequate protein intake lost weight and improved body composition without any negative changes in strength and power performance", the Italians conclude in the last section of their article. "In conclusion, this dietetic approach in the short term could be helpful in sports that involve weight categories.

Still waiting for UKJeffrey to comment on this...

[ukjeff]

onetimehard wrote

Here is an example; start the diet at 250lb and I end up at 205lb so I pick all my cheat days in advance like this;
244 lb
239 lb
234 lb
229 lb
225 lb
221 lb
217 lb
214 lb
211 lb
208 lb
205 lb

then wrote

I did not juice in 2009 till 2010, I ran a marathon in 2009 and tried to purposely lose 30 lb of muscle and it was hard to do, In fact it was near impossible for me to go under 200 lb despite being on no juice and having single digit body fat level, so even naturally and not training with weights I am still muscular to some degree.

So lets just look at that shall we.
On maximum steroid intake and his best/fastest diet, OTH is the same as when he is clean and running marathons.
And you call me a bullshitter  

I know you guys wont pick up on his daftness because you are like a bunch of schoolyard bullies, you ignore each others errors because you are all essentially frightened of each other and dont want to get out of your little "circle of trust".
OTH talks about this forum like you are some kind of "force to be reckoned with", its laughable, to be able to get under someones skin you need to be subtle, a full frontal attack is the tactic of the idiot.

I think i have had enough now, I will go and find some worthy opponents elsewhere, you guys are way too easy.

[ukjeff]

The energy in the very low carb diet was derived for 55 percent from fat, for 40 percent from protein and for 5 percent from carbohydrates.

What do you want me to say?
The fact that the energy rating of 5% from carbs was due to the fact that there was a lower intake of carbs in the diet(thats what a "low carb diet" means)

I don't know what point you are trying to make
let me re-word it for you
The energy in the very low protein diet was derived for 55 percent from carbs, for 40 percent from fat and for 5 percent from protein.
OR
The energy in the very low fat diet was derived for 55 percent from carbs, for 40 percent from protein and for 5 percent from fats.

[Krankenstein]

What do you want me to say?
The fact that the energy rating of 5% from carbs was due to the fact that there was a lower intake of carbs in the diet(thats what a "low carb diet" means)

I don't know what point you are trying to make
let me re-word it for you
The energy in the very low protein diet was derived for 55 percent from carbs, for 40 percent from fat and for 5 percent from protein.
OR
The energy in the very low fat diet was derived for 55 percent from carbs, for 40 percent from protein and for 5 percent from fats.

Perhaps if you had clicked on the provided hyperlink and actually read the resultant article you would learn something Jeffrey.  Please try again as your post makes absolutely no sense.

Hyperlink of FULL text... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3411406/

During the ketogenic period the prescribed daily intake of carbohydrate was 22g. The percentage distribution of total daily energy macronutrients was 54.8% fat, 40.7% protein and 4.5% carbohydrates.

During the WD period the macronutrients were distributed in the following order: 46.8% carbohydrate, 38.5% lipids, 14.7% protein.

Going by your standards (omitting any errors or backtracking you have done), the WD (western diet) should be appropriate.  Correct?


Changes in body weight (a) and kilograms of fat (b) before and after very low carbohydrate diet and western diet. SD are showed with bars.

[ukjeff]

just read the article
I like this bit in the conclusion

Many coaches do not favorably accept the use of a ketogenic diet by their athletes, both due to the absence of knowledge of the effects of the LCKD and due to fear that the diet can rebound on the physical performance of the athlete.

What a laugh.
"Many coaches" who are these "many coaches" and where is the data to back up this statement?
Its just an article written by someone, it's his opinions based on his interpretation of the data, do you think there are other articles contradicting this one?
Of course there are.
I have said the diet will work, you guys really need to read peoples posts.

[Conker]

Jeffro effortlessly dismissing peer reviewed, scholarly articles, written and scrutinized by acknowledged experts in their field, as "a laugh"
 

who to belive UKJeffro who says you can't do a low carb diet if you have a "normal" life or drive a car? Or a bunch of acclaimed professors who specialise in this field. hmmmm

Here's another
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15148063

"CONCLUSIONS: Compared with a low-fat diet, a low-carbohydrate diet program had better participant retention and greater weight loss. During active weight loss, serum triglyceride levels decreased more and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol level increased more with the low-carbohydrate diet than with the low-fat diet."

Participants in this study found it easier to stick with and showed better fat loss with a low carb diet as opposed to low fat.

[deceiver]

jeff

What is this "secret" knowledge that will make someone cut on higher amount of carbs? Are you trying to say there is some magical "protocol" following which you can get shredded:

 - naturally
 - on high carbs which means basically higher calories than onetimehard diet. fats are arleady low in his diet, protein is on "decent" level, so IF you add carbs you ADD calories.

[Krankenstein]

just read the article
I like this bit in the conclusion
What a laugh.
"Many coaches" who are these "many coaches" and where is the data to back up this statement?
Its just an article written by someone, it's his opinions based on his interpretation of the data, do you think there are other articles contradicting this one?
Of course there are.
I have said the diet will work, you guys really need to read peoples posts.

Just an article based on some opinions.  WOW.  Hello Jeffro???  We are all stating in our opinion that the low carb approach is the best for shedding the fat.  yet, here you come and start spouting off from your mangina that we are wrong.  I just provided you with one of many articles supporting this.

In addition, why would a bodybuilder care about the "rebound on the physical performance of the athlete"?  Its about fat loss.

So, please resume leaving this thread with your tail between your legs.  Oh, wait.  I know, you are 46 yo and you look better than most 46yo.  You did this show, or that show and dieted a certain way.  You have put on 30lbs since those pics (yet have little to say what that 30lbs consist of).  Few have backed you up on your own approach.  Why do you think that is?

[OTHstrong]

onetimehard wrote
then wrote
So lets just look at that shall we.
On maximum steroid intake and his best/fastest diet, OTH is the same as when he is clean and running marathons.
And you call me a bullshitter  

I know you guys wont pick up on his daftness because you are like a bunch of schoolyard bullies, you ignore each others errors because you are all essentially frightened of each other and dont want to get out of your little "circle of trust".
OTH talks about this forum like you are some kind of "force to be reckoned with", its laughable, to be able to get under someones skin you need to be subtle, a full frontal attack is the tactic of the idiot.

I think i have had enough now, I will go and find some worthy opponents elsewhere, you guys are way too easy.

Obviously math is NOT your strong point, lmao. 205 lb was contest shape, we are talking 4% bodyfat ding dong and when I did the the marathon I was around 190 at around 8-9% bodyfat, that is 30lb of muscles... HUUUUUUUUUUge difference. Nice try idiot. No errors, pure consistency on my behalf.

First you call us bullies then you say we are to easy, which one is it cause for you to call us bullies means we did a number on you and you were crying in the corner. Oh and do me a favor stop crying Wolf, after every post you say "I'm not going to bother with you again after this post" Save it, we all know you will be back with another post so why do you feel the need to say that every time you reply to me. You are a glutton for punishment 

[OTHstrong]

jeff

What is this "secret" knowledge that will make someone cut on higher amount of carbs? Are you trying to say there is some magical "protocol" following which you can get shredded:

 - naturally
 - on high carbs which means basically higher calories than onetimehard diet. fats are arleady low in his diet, protein is on "decent" level, so IF you add carbs you ADD calories.

Jeffro is claiming that if you cut the protein on a "no carb" diet in half and replace it with carbs you will have the same amount of calories and the same fat lost and he claim that the enormous reduction in protein will not have an effect on your muscle whatsoever, you will maintain the same amount of muscle as you would eating double the protein.  hahahahah, lmao.

[a_ahmed]

lol this thread is entertaining. Go oth

[OTHstrong]

lol this thread is entertaining. Go oth

lol, hey just sent you a PM 

[Jon Harridan]

Ketogenic diets are dangerous and should be avoided at all costs. A free tip from Team Harridan.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/128113-dangers-ketogenic-diets/

http://www.sideroad.com/Weight_Loss/low-carb-diet-danger.html

[a_ahmed]

You will lose fat be warned. Very dangerous.

[ukjeff]

What is this "secret" knowledge that will make someone cut on higher amount of carbs?

I never claimed there was, read my posts.

First you call us bullies then you say we are to easy, which one is it cause for you to call us bullies means we did a number on you and you were crying in the corner

Thats your lack of comprehension, I can see people being bullied in the schoolyard, does that mean I am a victim.
OTH you really need to try and spend more time formulating your responses or you will get all upset again and start swearing.

"I'm not going to bother with you again after this post" Save it, we all know you will be back with another post so why do you feel the need to say that every time you reply to me.

OK, if thats what you want, lets see how long it is before you start crying to your "friends" to find out who I am and where I live.
Im going to make you lose your mind.


Oh and its just you OTH, I will ignore everyone else for the time being.

[Jon Harridan]

You will lose fat be warned. Very dangerous.

You will also lose fat if you starve.

[Jon Harridan]

crossing the street is also dangerous.

who in the fuck is team hairydan?

haha, the most brutal self ownage so far came from ukjeff"you cant drive a car on low carbs"

oh brother

Yeah, that's why you look twice before you cross to check if it's safe to do so. And after looking twice (and a few more times), I've found ketogenic diets to be a total bust when it comes to healthy diets. Refer to the articles posted to see why. Team Harridan is my stable of athletes and coaches.

[Jon Harridan]

Hahahaha, I wonder how many fuckin' idiots there are on Getbig who are on/advocate ketogenic diets contrary to the golden advice of Team Harridan. Bloody tools all.

[OTHstrong]

Hahahaha, I wonder how many fuckin' idiots there are on Getbig who are on/advocate ketogenic diets contrary to the golden advice of Team Harridan. Bloody tools all.

Back up your team Harridan Horseshit by posting a pic 

I never claimed there was, read my posts.Thats your lack of comprehension, I can see people being bullied in the schoolyard, does that mean I am a victim.
OTH you really need to try and spend more time formulating your responses or you will get all upset again and start swearing.OK, if thats what you want, lets see how long it is before you start crying to your "friends" to find out who I am and where I live.
Im going to make you lose your mind.


Oh and its just you OTH, I will ignore everyone else for the time being.

Formulate a plan? lol,, hahahaahah is that what you do bro? We post after reading a post, it takes 2 seconds, we don't sit there with a panel of experts to breakdown the contents of someones reply, lmao, you think to much of this..... wow, You also think we get together in a secret meeting and talk among each other, lol. Everyone on this thread re just people enjoying getbig, we are not in alliance or a team of any sort, in fact a lot of us agreeing with each other have bumped heads ourselves, so the only common grown we have is that we are all in agreement that dieting on low carbs is very efficient and effective and dieting on no carbs is even more efficient, that's it, it ain't no GETBIG conspiracy to go after UK-liar-jeffros, it just so happens that getbiggers all think alike and that is to storm on the shit-talkers like yourself, that's it.

[Jon Harridan]

Back up your team Harridan Horseshit by posting a pic 
Formulate a plan? lol,, hahahaahah is that what you do bro? We post after reading a post, it takes 2 seconds, we don't sit there with a panel of experts to breakdown the contents of someones reply, lmao, you think to much of this..... wow, You also think we get together in a secret meeting and talk among each other, lol. Everyone on this thread re just people enjoying getbig, we are not in alliance or a team of any sort, in fact a lot of us agreeing with each other have bumped heads ourselves, so the only common grown we have is that we are all in agreement that dieting on low carbs is very efficient and effective and dieting on no carbs is even more efficient, that's it, it ain't no GETBIG conspiracy to go after UK-liar-jeffros, it just so happens that getbiggers all think alike and that is to storm on the shit-talkers like yourself, that's it.

Okey dokey bro. A pic of what exactly?

[Jon Harridan]

SIMPLE- HOW TO GET CONTEST SHREDDED FOR ANYONE.

All these trainers and coaches make me sick acting like if it's some rocket science shit they are giving away, I have no problem with PT or coaches, they are good for motivation and guidance but where my problem lies is when they mislead their clients into thinking this shit is rocket science.

If you are on HRT or juice then listen up.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + low carbs (green veg allowed) and 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get anyone into single digits.

Unlimited foods from "protein only sources" + No carbs (green veg and others allowed)+ 20-40 grams of healthy fats will get you to contest bodyfat levels.

Forget the calorie counting Bull Shit, forget the complicated dietary metabolism Bull Shit, forget the rocket science, all garbage, don't spend money on some expert trying to act like it is Calculus or physics. What I wrote above will get ANYONE from point A to point B (contest shape) period.




THE LIST


OK, here are your protein sources;

Egg whites
Chicken breast
lean Turkey
Cod
Haddock
Salmon
Tuna
Talipia
Shrimp
Liver
Protein shake ( find one with less then 4 grams of carbs per serving)

Now the following protein sources are kept to once a day;

Lean steak
Lean ground beef
Lean roast beef
Veal

In general I do not consider certain vegetable source to be carbs, cause your metabolism process them without any storage of fat, in other words the calories do not convert to fat

Here are your vegetable source;

Asparagus
Broccoli/purple sprouting broccoli
Cabbage
Cucumber
Onion
Spinach
Romaine lettuce
Tomatoes
Green Peppers

 Now the following vegetables should be kept to a minimum;

Celery
Carrots
Mushrooms
Peas

Dietary fats can come from flax oil or a supplement, I do not recommend they come from nuts or sees. From experience it is very easy to go crazy eating from nuts and seeds and can sabotage your diet.

Diet drinks are allowed, they have zero calories anyway.


Keep your veg. to one serving per meal.







ECA to fuel workouts on no carbs

12 weeks maximum use only


The way ECA works is it gives you more energy on less carbs, so say you take 32mg of ephedrine and you have ate 300 grams of carbs, the energy you get from the ECA will NOT be that great, if you ate 200 grams of carbs then the additional energy you get from it ECA will be more, and if you ate 100 grams it will be more yet. On 0 carbs the energy increase is the greatest on ECA. It is almost as if the carbs diminish it's potency.

So it is amazing on a no carb diet. But the problem is people do not know how to use ECA in a maximum beneficial manner so they do not get proper results. First mistake is they take it daily and periodically, huge mistake, your receptors get used to the stimulants fast so before you know it you have to keep upping the dose to achieve the same levels of energy it produces.

This is how I use it, only on training days and prior to a workout to start off with, I will take 32mg of ephedrine, 200mg caffeine, and 80mg aspirin 20 minutes before a workout and I am on a no carb diet and the energy from the ECA is NO different from that of having eaten tons of carbs, I swear absolutely no different in energy levels at all, still cranking 400 on the bench for reps no problem.

By only using it when I need it I will not tap out my receptors that quickly and at around the 3 week mark I will take 48mg of ephedrine instead of 32 cause by this point I will need more to achieve the same results.

at the 5 week mark I am up 64 mg at one time and 300mg of caffeine, the aspirin always stays at 80mg cause the body does not adapt to aspirin ( at least not noticeably). Now every 4 workouts I up the ephedrine by 8mg and when I get to the 96mg of ephedrine I add another 100 mg of caffeine. Remember up to this point your primary reason to have used ECA is as a stimulant for your workout and of course there are other secondary benefits as well.

At week six I take 8mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 8mg at launch, at week 7 I take 16mg of ephedrine when I wake up and 16mg at launch, at week 8 I take 24mg of ephedrine when I wake up and so on and so on. Now the primary reason for the ECA in the morning and at launch is for fat burning and to suppress appetite, while your pre-workout ECA still remains as a stimulant.



Incorporating clen on a no carb diet

TWO ways to do this, one requires you change your diet every two weeks and the other allows you to keep the same diet, however, your ECA protocol has to be changed.

Protocol one; Ok you are running on zero carbs so ECA is a must, and NO CARB diet has to include a stimulant such as ECA no matter what so since ECA and Clen together is rather hard on your heart, so I propose you take clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks, Clen for 2 weeks and then ECA for 2 weeks etc.

The 2 weeks you are on clen you will not have ECA to fuel your workout so you must take in carb pre-workout, but we are talking 100-150 grams of carbs daily. So your diet will be a no carb diet for 2 weeks (ECA) then a low carb diet for 2 weeks (Clen) etc. Plain and simple.


Protocol two; This one is a little harder so DO NOT do it if you are feeling to much anxiety, BE CAREFUL.

As mentioned earlier in the thread that on a NO CARB diet one must take ECA for 2 different reasons- reason #1 to stimulate your workout and reason #2- to stimulate fat burning and appetite suppressant.

 Once you start taking Clen drop reason #2, I repeat drop taking ECA multiple times per day as a fat burner and an appetite suppressant. Now the reason is your fat burning will come from Clen and it is already doing a good job so ECA for fat burning is NOT necessary, also there are NO synergistic affect anyway. Now you still need to take ECA as a stimulant pre-workout, this is a must to fuel your workout. At this point nothing changes in your diet, still a no carb diet with Clen as your main source of fat-lose tool and ECA as your main source of stimulant to duel your workout.

CONCLUSION; Do not ask me which one is better, it is not anyones call but yours, this could be hard on your system so make sure you dot all i's and cross all your t's before you make a mistake that can hurt you.

Now as far as dosage, again Clen reactions vary from person to person so I do not know what would be to much or to little for anyone, but I will say this though; start at 20mcg and work your way up, add a little every 2 days until you reach what you like. If you do protocol 2 since you are on ECA as well I would not recommend you ever cross 100 mcg daily and that is a lot. Most people stick to 40-60.




ADDRESSING THE CHEAT/CARB DAY[/[/i][/u]
If you are on low carbs no need for this


On a no carb diet most people use the weekly approach for a carb up day. I do not use this approach.

What I do is simple, I pick intervals in body weight throughtout the course of my journey and once every interval is met I have a cheat day.

Here is an example; start the diet at 250lb and I end up at 205lb so I pick all my cheat days in advance like this;

244 lb
239 lb
234 lb
229 lb
225 lb
221 lb
217 lb
214 lb
211 lb
208 lb
205 lb

Every time I hit my next weight goal I have a carb up day. The carb up day is 300-350 grams of carbs and it does not matter if the carbs are from complex sources or simple sources cause you are way depleted anyway, you will burn it all regardless.

Now notice how the first interval is 6lb and the last one is only 3 lb, well that is because at the beginning you lose lots of weight fast and then as you approach less bodyfat your weight lost slow down. weigh yourself on empty stomach first thing in the morning

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH AHAHA!

[el numero uno]

I never claimed there was, read my posts.Thats your lack of comprehension, I can see people being bullied in the schoolyard, does that mean I am a victim.
OTH you really need to try and spend more time formulating your responses or you will get all upset again and start swearing.OK, if thats what you want, lets see how long it is before you start crying to your "friends" to find out who I am and where I live.
Im going to make you lose your mind.


Oh and its just you OTH, I will ignore everyone else for the time being.

The only thing you have contributed to this thread is that simpsons' gif. I've been looking for that gif for a while, thanks, now fuck off.