Using Nandralone for Best Results

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I know a guy who used to be one of the top NPC guys in New York, trained at Bev's and knew a bunch of pro's.  He was featured in Muscle and Fitness a few times in the late 90's and early 00's.  Anyway he used to be very honest about his gear usage and I've posted his bulking cycles on the AAS board a few times.

He would use something similar to the following for 5-6 months out of the year when he was trying to gain weight.  He was 5'9" and weighed 280-290 in the off-season and competed at around 215-220.  I bet there are people on this board that know him.

3000mg Test E or Sust
1200mg Deca
900mg Eq
150mg Drol ED
30iu Slin with every meal
10iu Pharma GH

He was big into HG gear, his Test was always from a pharmacy.  He would pay $12 per amp for Test if he had to.  He didn't use any ancillaries, thought they were a waste of time.

This is what he used in the off-season, he was a huge supporter of bulking and he ate 6-8k calories a day of clean food.  I remember we went out the eat at a steakhouse and he polished off two steaks, three appetizers and a lobster tail like it was nothing.  He lived a relatively healthy lifestyle and his blood work wasn't too far off.  He was on AAS for 8 years and never went below 1000mg even for a cruise.  Big dude, he could incline press 160 pound DB's without a spot and squat 585 for 12 reps in the off season.

Wow! This just goes to show how important genetics and clean foods are for health.

Do the pros you know run similar doses?

[Overload]

His natural test recovered after all them years of none stop grams of test?

It sure did, but it took about a year before his levels were within normal range.  He never did any form of PCT and just quit cold turkey.  I've seen his blood work and that's the reason why i know he's telling the truth.  I've known him for almost 15 years.

[Overload]

Wow! This just goes to show how important genetics and clean foods are for health.

Do the pros you know run similar doses?

The only Pro i've known who was honest with their doses was on enough AAS to kill a gorilla.  I have an email from years ago that laid it all out, but it was pretty complex and he changed his compounds every few weeks.  Basically, he just injected about 6g's of random compounds every week and took enough orals to make people cry.  Most people don't believe this, but these guys do things that are unheard of, lots of rec drugs and weird site injections.

I will look for it tonight, he was pretty open about it and even stated that most Pro's he knew were drug dealers in some way.  He used to train at Metroflex years ago, but moved to Nevada.  Doesn't compete anymore either.

I spoke to another Pro who trained with Branch and he said he took 1500mg of Test a week and that was it.  He claimed insulin wasn't needed and that GH was for the "small" guys. Hard to believe these guys, i can understand why they lie i guess, nobody wants to admit this sport is about how many drugs your body can handle for an extended period of time without failing.

[Borracho]

I looked into cabergoline and I noticed there was potential heart valve damage from use but at the time being paranoid about gyno I had to resort to it. Actually still have some left back from when I ran npp alone (yeah I know). At first b6 seemed to be doing the trick....

I think there is potential heart damage, at least with some of these dopaminergics, which is no joke.

I think these guys saying you "have to" use "prami" on certain steroids is a joke. You are getting into a type of polypharmacy which can truly damage you.

I would also bet that most who think their prolactin is elevated are wrong. The research says androgens lower prolactin, while estrogens increases it. Testosterone has been shown to increase prolactin due to the aromatization... so why aren't guys jumping on Caber or Prami when doing test only cycles? Just because Caber or Prami makes your dick hard doesn't mean the problem was prolactin, strictly speaking. These drugs will boost libido even without any steroid use.

Deceiver, you say you have friends who tested their prolactin. Did they also test their prolactin on steroids but off Caber?

[TheTruth90]

The only Pro i've known who was honest with their doses was on enough AAS to kill a gorilla.  I have an email from years ago that laid it all out, but it was pretty complex and he changed his compounds every few weeks.  Basically, he just injected about 6g's of random compounds every week and took enough orals to make people cry.  Most people don't believe this, but these guys do things that are unheard of, lots of rec drugs and weird site injections.

I will look for it tonight, he was pretty open about it and even stated that most Pro's he knew were drug dealers in some way.  He used to train at Metroflex years ago, but moved to Nevada.  Doesn't compete anymore either.

I spoke to another Pro who trained with Branch and he said he took 1500mg of Test a week and that was it.  He claimed insulin wasn't needed and that GH was for the "small" guys. Hard to believe these guys, i can understand why they lie i guess, nobody wants to admit this sport is about how many drugs your body can handle for an extended period of time without failing.

Please post the cycle/email if you find it. And by that, I mean you better be finding it!!!   


You can block out the name/etc if you want. It doesn't matter to me who it is.

[XFACTOR]

I know a guy who used to be one of the top NPC guys in New York, trained at Bev's and knew a bunch of pro's.  He was featured in Muscle and Fitness a few times in the late 90's and early 00's.  Anyway he used to be very honest about his gear usage and I've posted his bulking cycles on the AAS board a few times.

He would use something similar to the following for 5-6 months out of the year when he was trying to gain weight.  He was 5'9" and weighed 280-290 in the off-season and competed at around 215-220.  I bet there are people on this board that know him.

3000mg Test E or Sust
1200mg Deca
900mg Eq
150mg Drol ED
30iu Slin with every meal
10iu Pharma GH

He was big into HG gear, his Test was always from a pharmacy.  He would pay $12 per amp for Test if he had to.  He didn't use any ancillaries, thought they were a waste of time.

This is what he used in the off-season, he was a huge supporter of bulking and he ate 6-8k calories a day of clean food.  I remember we went out the eat at a steakhouse and he polished off two steaks, three appetizers and a lobster tail like it was nothing.  He lived a relatively healthy lifestyle and his blood work wasn't too far off.  He was on AAS for 8 years and never went below 1000mg even for a cruise.  Big dude, he could incline press 160 pound DB's without a spot and squat 585 for 12 reps in the off season.

 Seems like a healthy,long living lifestyle to me.  Afew grams of gear a week and 7k  calories of food a day. 

[El Diablo Blanco]

Fuck, I love this thread.  Like the old days minus asshat15.  Keep the steroid debate going.  Speaking of lactating, I saw this one tranny porn where the guy gal had milk comming out of his/her nipples.  Creepy shit.

[GigantorX]

Seems like a healthy,long living lifestyle to me.  Afew grams of gear a week and 7k  calories of food a day. 

The key word is relative .

But either way, whether he looked like a bloated bag of shit or had his liver shut down, that right there is real mans cycle.

You best believe.

[OTHstrong]

That would be cool. thanks OTH

This is the way I was given the info. He sent me then this morning
Ok here is what he wrote; an Ifbb pro, This is fucken even crazier then I thought  

Part 1 of contest prep till the half way mark

1 amp per day of sustonon
100 mg of prop per day
100mg TNE per day
200mg EQ acetate ester
150 mg tren a per day
100 mg anadrol per day
60 mcg of clen per day
18 IU of generic gh per day
insulin-- did not say how much.

Part 2 till the 2 week out mark

100mg of proper day
150mg TNE per day
200 mg tren a  per day
100 mg masteron per day
150 mg anadrol per day
100 mg of whinny per day
100mg anavar per day
100mcg clen per day
24 iu of gh per day
insulin- did not say how much


Part 3  2 weeks out

 100mg test suspension per day
250 mg tren a per day
200 mg of masteron per day
50 mg anadrol per day
200 mg anavar per
200 mg of whinny per day
6 iu of gh per day
No insulin
No clen

He said he did some clomid and some letro along the way (did not say when or how much) Used a lot of caffeine and said he used t3 partially here and there. Used ephedrine for his workouts and at 10 days out he started site injections to bring up some week bodyparts.

That's it.

[a_ahmed]

wow serious lol. How do they afford this shit lol... I need some better sources noaaw

[OTHstrong]

wow serious lol. How do they afford this shit lol... I need some better sources noaaw

I know fucken fearless 

[BFG]

This is the way I was given the info. He sent me then this morning
Ok here is what he wrote; an Ifbb pro, This is fucken even crazier then I thought  

Part 1 of contest prep till the half way mark

1 amp per day of sustonon
100 mg of prop per day
100mg TNE per day
200mg EQ acetate ester
150 mg tren a per day
100 mg anadrol per day
60 mcg of clen per day
18 IU of generic gh per day
insulin-- did not say how much.

Part 2 till the 2 week out mark

100mg of proper day
150mg TNE per day
200 mg tren a  per day
100 mg masteron per day
150 mg anadrol per day
100 mg of whinny per day
100mg anavar per day
100mcg clen per day
24 iu of gh per day
insulin- did not say how much


Part 3  2 weeks out

 100mg test suspension per day
250 mg tren a per day
200 mg of masteron per day
50 mg anadrol per day
200 mg anavar per
200 mg of whinny per day
6 iu of gh per day
No insulin
No clen

He said he did some clomid and some letro along the way (did not say when or how much) Used a lot of caffeine and said he used t3 partially here and there. Used ephedrine for his workouts and at 10 days out he started site injections to bring up some week bodyparts.

That's it.

Thanks for posting the truth and not claiming he used 2 grams of gear and 5iu's of gh, lol.

pretty standard "cycle" (i hate that word because no one "cycles" off anyway) there. I dont know the guy so i hope im not coming across as off base but if someone presented this to me as their contest prep protocol the feedback id give:

1) instead of running test up to the day of the contest, increase the anadrol to 200mg's per day about 5-7 days out
2) letrozole @ 2.5mg and arimadex at 1mg
3) diurietcs?? i assume he was using them. if not...at the very least some dyazide, dependent on how things progress maybe IV lasix the last couple days
4) if using IV lasix def go with a good plasma expander to stay full before the show
5) drop the gh 2 weeks out
6) halotestin and winstrol suspension! masteron, tren, halo and winny suspension is what you need
7) also id always recommend 1 gram or so of primo over anavar at any dose. if you cant go up to a gram or more of primo due to funds then stick with var.
any reason hes not carbing up with slin??

[OTHstrong]

Thanks for posting the truth and not claiming he used 2 grams of gear and 5iu's of gh, lol.

pretty standard "cycle" (i hate that word because no one "cycles" off anyway) there. I dont know the guy so i hope im not coming across as off base but if someone presented this to me as their contest prep protocol the feedback id give:

1) instead of running test up to the day of the contest, increase the anadrol to 200mg's per day about 5-7 days out
2) letrozole @ 2.5mg and arimadex at 1mg
3) diurietcs?? i assume he was using them. if not...at the very least some dyazide, dependent on how things progress maybe IV lasix the last couple days
4) if using IV lasix def go with a good plasma expander to stay full before the show
5) drop the gh 2 weeks out
6) halotestin and winstrol suspension! masteron, tren, halo and winny suspension is what you need
7) also id always recommend 1 gram or so of primo over anavar at any dose. if you cant go up to a gram or more of primo due to funds then stick with var.
any reason hes not carbing up with slin??

This is nuts but the pros don't fuck around. I am sure he does diuretic although he did not mention them but I will run those things you wrote by him. He did say he used to drop his gh out completely at the 2 week mark but he said it was to hard to adapt to the change so he drops it to 6 iu's instead.  He does carb up with slin leading to the show but he didn't say much about this.

As for halo and primo, I will ask him what he thinks of these and why he did not used them. Primo is the best in my opnion, the hardest I ever looked was on primo and I don't think I will ever not use it when getting shredded again

[njflex]

This is nuts but the pros don't fuck around. I am sure he does diuretic although he did not mention them but I will run those things you wrote by him. He did say he used to drop his gh out completely at the 2 week mark but he said it was to hard to adapt to the change so he drops it to 6 iu's instead.  He does carb up with slin leading to the show but he didn't say much about this.

As for halo and primo, I will ask him what he thinks of these and why he did not used them. Primo is the best in my opnion, the hardest I ever looked was on primo and I don't think I will ever not use it when getting shredded again

WILD ,,,ANS IMAGINE DOING THIS OFF AND ON FOR 10/15 YRS AS TOP PRO AND ADDING OTHER COMPOUNDS THAT CAME ALONG THE WAY NEW ENVOGE ..

[ukjeff]

This is the way I was given the info. He sent me then this morning
Ok here is what he wrote; an Ifbb pro, This is fucken even crazier then I thought   

Part 1 of contest prep till the half way mark

1 amp per day of sustonon
100 mg of prop per day
100mg TNE per day
200mg EQ acetate ester
150 mg tren a per day
100 mg anadrol per day
60 mcg of clen per day
18 IU of generic gh per day
insulin-- did not say how much.

Part 2 till the 2 week out mark

100mg of proper day
150mg TNE per day
200 mg tren a  per day
100 mg masteron per day
150 mg anadrol per day
100 mg of whinny per day
100mg anavar per day
100mcg clen per day
24 iu of gh per day
insulin- did not say how much


Part 3  2 weeks out

 100mg test suspension per day
250 mg tren a per day
200 mg of masteron per day
50 mg anadrol per day
200 mg anavar per
200 mg of whinny per day
6 iu of gh per day
No insulin
No clen

He said he did some clomid and some letro along the way (did not say when or how much) Used a lot of caffeine and said he used t3 partially here and there. Used ephedrine for his workouts and at 10 days out he started site injections to bring up some week bodyparts.

That's it.

Thats fucking pathetic, what a sad twat he must be sitting alone at every night shoving needle after needle into himself.
What a fucking loser.
How can people like this look anyone in the eye and be proud of what they "think" they have achieved.

[deceiver]

I think there is potential heart damage, at least with some of these dopaminergics, which is no joke.

I think these guys saying you "have to" use "prami" on certain steroids is a joke. You are getting into a type of polypharmacy which can truly damage you.

I would also bet that most who think their prolactin is elevated are wrong. The research says androgens lower prolactin, while estrogens increases it. Testosterone has been shown to increase prolactin due to the aromatization... so why aren't guys jumping on Caber or Prami when doing test only cycles? Just because Caber or Prami makes your dick hard doesn't mean the problem was prolactin, strictly speaking. These drugs will boost libido even without any steroid use.

Deceiver, you say you have friends who tested their prolactin. Did they also test their prolactin on steroids but off Caber?

Of course. That's well known fact dude. Many have tested for prolactin on tren and deca, that's the way we check if it's legit or not. Blood tests are fairly cheap in Poland so we do them all the time.

[el numero uno]

What about sets of 15-20 reps the last weeks before a contest to get a shredded physique?

[OTHstrong]

Thats fucking pathetic, what a sad twat he must be sitting alone at every night shoving needle after needle into himself.
What a fucking loser.
How can people like this look anyone in the eye and be proud of what they "think" they have achieved.

No one asked you retard.

Go tell the mountain climber he is an idiot cause people die everyday mountain climbing or skiing. If you want to live a normal life so be it, who the fuck has the right to tell you otherwise.

To each their own fuck face, some like gymnastics some like basketball and some like to push their physique beyond human boundaries at all cost, all are acceptable as each individual choose their own path.

You are just a whiny little bitch anyway, a insignificant nobody  

[ukjeff]

You are just a whiny little bitch anyway, a insignificant nobody

And you are famous for getting in shape once in your life.

You will go down in history as one of the sports legends.

[bigmc]

And you are famous for getting in shape once in your life.

You will go down in history as one of the sports legends.

i bet he looks better than you

you are a whiny little cu nt stfu

[ukjeff]

i bet he looks better than you

He wont in 6 weeks 

[OTHstrong]

He wont in 6 weeks 

Bro seriously stop shitting on the thread, fuck I would almost trade jon Harridon for you as your just as annoying around here.

[bigmc]

He wont in 6 weeks 

why are you killing yourself

thank fuck

[ukjeff]

Bro seriously stop shitting on the thread, fuck I would almost trade jon Harridon for you as your just as annoying around here.

Commenting on one of your posts isn't shitting on the thread, posting insults and hurling abuse around is shitting on the thread.

Why cant you just accept other people have opinions you crazy twat, get back on the gear before you kill someone.
I bet its a joy to be around you nowadays.

[prizm]

OTH and Overload adding some good stuff here. That many injections per day sounds painful