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« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2013, 12:16:19 PM »

We don't really know anything about this guy, and you're joking about killing him... lol

Funny how we know more about this guy background than we do about O-Twink
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« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2013, 12:25:41 PM »

That claim is “absolutely outrageous,” former NSA and CIA director Michael Hayden tells The Daily Beast. Snowden “was not a collector,” and no low-ranking contractor like him would have the authority to access anyone’s phone calls or read anybody’s emails.

Robert Deitz, a former top lawyer at the NSA and CIA, agrees that Snowden’s boast is a “complete and utter” falsehood. “First of all it’s illegal,” he tells the Los Angeles Times. “There is enormous oversight. They have keystroke auditing. There are, from time to time, cases in which some analyst is [angry] at his ex-wife and looks at the wrong thing and he is caught and fired.”



this is the conclusion I've been seeing in the last 24 hours

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« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2013, 12:30:56 PM »

We don't really know anything about this guy, and you're joking about killing him... lol

didn't you start a thread about king nutbag Ron Paul saying he is worried we are going to send a drone to Hong Kong to publicly assassinate this guy

seems just a bit far-fetched don't you think?

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« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2013, 12:49:35 PM »

From Blackfive.....

NSA leaker Ed Snowden claimed to have broken both of his legs while training for Special Forces.

In 2003, he enlisted in the US army and began a training program to join the Special Forces. Invoking the same principles that he now cites to justify his leaks, he said: "I wanted to fight in the Iraq war because I felt like I had an obligation as a human being to help free people from oppression".


That is simply not true as the statement from the Special Warfare Center & School below clearly points out.

Snowden was never a student at SWCS. He broke his legs while at Fort Benning. His intent was to enter the X-ray program – but that never happened and would not have  happened because he only had a GED. Hope this helps.
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The 18 X-ray program is a way to go directly from the street to the Special Forces course. You first would attend basic and advanced individual training and then airborne school. Upon successful conclusion of those you head to Bragg for some prep training and the Special Forces Assessment and Selection course. If you pass all of those, then and only then do you start Special Forces training.

Mr. Snowden wasn't even eligible for this program as he didn't even graduate from High School. So the claim that he broke his legs in Special Forces training is BS and that makes him a poseur. Well actually not even a poseur, he claimed to be training to be SF, so that makes him a poseur wannabe, or a wannabe poseur. I'm not real sure how the semantics of that work out. But either way, not really a great way to build credibility. He also made this claim that never rang true when I first read it.

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« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2013, 12:58:56 PM »

From Blackfive.....

NSA leaker Ed Snowden claimed to have broken both of his legs while training for Special Forces.

In 2003, he enlisted in the US army and began a training program to join the Special Forces. Invoking the same principles that he now cites to justify his leaks, he said: "I wanted to fight in the Iraq war because I felt like I had an obligation as a human being to help free people from oppression".


That is simply not true as the statement from the Special Warfare Center & School below clearly points out.

Snowden was never a student at SWCS. He broke his legs while at Fort Benning. His intent was to enter the X-ray program – but that never happened and would not have  happened because he only had a GED. Hope this helps.
 Janice Burton

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The 18 X-ray program is a way to go directly from the street to the Special Forces course. You first would attend basic and advanced individual training and then airborne school. Upon successful conclusion of those you head to Bragg for some prep training and the Special Forces Assessment and Selection course. If you pass all of those, then and only then do you start Special Forces training.

Mr. Snowden wasn't even eligible for this program as he didn't even graduate from High School. So the claim that he broke his legs in Special Forces training is BS and that makes him a poseur. Well actually not even a poseur, he claimed to be training to be SF, so that makes him a poseur wannabe, or a wannabe poseur. I'm not real sure how the semantics of that work out. But either way, not really a great way to build credibility. He also made this claim that never rang true when I first read it.



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« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2013, 03:57:57 PM »

can someone explain why we are giving top secret security clearance to high school drop outs?




You and I actually agree.

And it's looking like this guy is a total douchebag.

But, it doesn't change the fact that the program exists, and IMO, is just wrong.  I don't care who started, blah, blah, blah.  Obama should end it - immediately. 

Unfortunately, all 3 branches are in on it.

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« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2013, 05:35:11 AM »

Obama's Snooping Excludes Mosques, Missed Boston Bombers
 



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Homeland Insecurity: The White House assures that tracking our every phone call and keystroke is to stop terrorists, and yet it won't snoop in mosques, where the terrorists are.

That's right, the government's sweeping surveillance of our most private communications excludes the jihad factories where homegrown terrorists are radicalized.

Since October 2011, mosques have been off-limits to FBI agents. No more surveillance or undercover string operations without high-level approval from a special oversight body at the Justice Department dubbed the Sensitive Operations Review Committee.

Who makes up this body, and how do they decide requests? Nobody knows; the names of the chairman, members and staff are kept secret.

We do know the panel was set up under pressure from Islamist groups who complained about FBI stings at mosques. Just months before the panel's formation, the Council on American-Islamic Relations teamed up with the ACLU to sue the FBI for allegedly violating the civil rights of Muslims in Los Angeles by hiring an undercover agent to infiltrate and monitor mosques there.

Before mosques were excluded from the otherwise wide domestic spy net the administration has cast, the FBI launched dozens of successful sting operations against homegrown jihadists — inside mosques — and disrupted dozens of plots against the homeland.

If only they were allowed to continue, perhaps the many victims of the Boston Marathon bombings would not have lost their lives and limbs. The FBI never canvassed Boston mosques until four days after the April 15 attacks, and it did not check out the radical Boston mosque where the Muslim bombers worshipped.

The bureau didn't even contact mosque leaders for help in identifying their images after those images were captured on closed-circuit TV cameras and cellphones.

One of the Muslim bombers made extremist outbursts during worship, yet because the mosque wasn't monitored, red flags didn't go off inside the FBI about his increasing radicalization before the attacks.

This is particularly disturbing in light of recent independent surveys of American mosques, which reveal some 80% of them preach violent jihad or distribute violent literature to worshippers.

What other five-alarm jihadists are counterterrorism officials missing right now, thanks to restrictions on monitoring the one area they should be monitoring?


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« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2013, 06:34:12 AM »

NSA Leaker's Former Employer Makes $5.8 Billion Almost Entirely Off Taxpayers
Big Government ^  | 6/13/2013 | Wynton Hall

Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:41:43 AM by markomalley



Private equity titan Carlyle Group, which has over $176 billion in assets, has a 67% stake in Booz Allen Hamiliton, the 24,500-person firm who hired the man responsible for the major National Security Agency (NSA) leaks, Edward J. Snowden.





The New York Times says the government’s increasing reliance on private contractors like Booz Allen has created a revolving door through which former government workers pass.





“Thousands of people formerly employed by the government, and still approved to deal with classified information, now do essentially the same work for private companies,” notes the Times. “Mr. Snowden, who revealed on Sunday that he provided the recent leak of national security documents, is among them.”





As U.S. budget cuts have taken hold, Booz Allen has shopped its cybersecurity services to Middle Eastern companies and governments, reports the Washington Post. 

Booz Allen, which generated $5.8 billion in revenue last fiscal year, previously employed current Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. Booz Allen’s current vice chairman Mike McConnell is also a former NSA director.


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« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2013, 07:17:11 AM »

I agree that the program exists. I think this particular guy is overblowing his roll, saying wild shit that can and will destabilize relations with friends and enemies. He was not SOF, never going to be SOF and am not sure what his motivation really is.
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« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2013, 08:11:29 AM »


he is..

We all know that, all presidents etc do. Doesn't make it right but it's not a revelation.

Politics is as corrupt as fuck, I wanted ron paul but he is half batshit.

principal is the most important factor for a president imo.
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« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2013, 08:13:07 AM »

Obama's Snooping Excludes Mosques, Missed Boston Bombers
 



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Homeland Insecurity: The White House assures that tracking our every phone call and keystroke is to stop terrorists, and yet it won't snoop in mosques, where the terrorists are.

That's right, the government's sweeping surveillance of our most private communications excludes the jihad factories where homegrown terrorists are radicalized.

Since October 2011, mosques have been off-limits to FBI agents. No more surveillance or undercover string operations without high-level approval from a special oversight body at the Justice Department dubbed the Sensitive Operations Review Committee.

Who makes up this body, and how do they decide requests? Nobody knows; the names of the chairman, members and staff are kept secret.

We do know the panel was set up under pressure from Islamist groups who complained about FBI stings at mosques. Just months before the panel's formation, the Council on American-Islamic Relations teamed up with the ACLU to sue the FBI for allegedly violating the civil rights of Muslims in Los Angeles by hiring an undercover agent to infiltrate and monitor mosques there.

Before mosques were excluded from the otherwise wide domestic spy net the administration has cast, the FBI launched dozens of successful sting operations against homegrown jihadists — inside mosques — and disrupted dozens of plots against the homeland.

If only they were allowed to continue, perhaps the many victims of the Boston Marathon bombings would not have lost their lives and limbs. The FBI never canvassed Boston mosques until four days after the April 15 attacks, and it did not check out the radical Boston mosque where the Muslim bombers worshipped.

The bureau didn't even contact mosque leaders for help in identifying their images after those images were captured on closed-circuit TV cameras and cellphones.

One of the Muslim bombers made extremist outbursts during worship, yet because the mosque wasn't monitored, red flags didn't go off inside the FBI about his increasing radicalization before the attacks.

This is particularly disturbing in light of recent independent surveys of American mosques, which reveal some 80% of them preach violent jihad or distribute violent literature to worshippers.

What other five-alarm jihadists are counterterrorism officials missing right now, thanks to restrictions on monitoring the one area they should be monitoring?


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LMAO..excludes mosques
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« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2013, 12:35:31 PM »

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/13/Bank-robber-NSA-records



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« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2013, 01:35:43 PM »

Loretta Sanchez, Dem Rep, Says NSA Revelations Only 'The Tip Of The Iceberg' (VIDEO)


The Huffington Post  |  By Melissa Jeltsen       Posted: 06/13/2013 4:11 pm EDT  |  Updated: 06/13/2013 4:16 pm EDT


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Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-Calif.) warned that the recent revelations on the government's clandestine national surveillance programs, brought to light by an NSA whistleblower, are just the "tip of the iceberg."

Sanchez spoke to CSPAN's "Washington Journal" on Wednesday, after attending a briefing Tuesday with intelligence officials. While she said she couldn't repeat much of what she and other House members were told, she said they learned "significantly more" than what is currently being reported in the media.

"I believe it's just the tip of the iceberg," she said.

Last week, The Guardian published a bombshell report detailing how the U.S. government has been secretly collecting phone and Internet data. Edward Snowden, who came out as the individual responsible for the explosive leaks, is currently hiding in Hong Kong.

"I think it's just broader than most people even realize," Sanchez went on.

(h/t The Hill)
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« Reply #38 on: June 14, 2013, 05:44:21 AM »

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-14/u-s-agencies-said-to-swap-data-with-thousands-of-firms.html


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« Reply #39 on: June 14, 2013, 12:01:25 PM »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOQkMIdhhOY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOQkMIdhhOY</a>
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« Reply #40 on: June 14, 2013, 09:55:49 PM »

The US intelligence services have been monitoring telecommunications for 80 years...not saying it is right...but is nothing new.  That is how they got the Rosenbergs...also Klaus Fuchs (what a name)  They wanted to prosecute many more in that case, but didn't want to reveal the investigative sources.

February 3, 2009 PBS....."Spy Factory" Nova Episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdPpdu8OGDQ

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/military/spy-factory.html

What's truly disgusting is they KNEW the Rosenbergs were innocent, but hung them anyway.  Angry
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« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2013, 12:28:23 AM »

Boston Bomb victims might  all be unharmed but Hussein Obama doesn't want to monitor Muslim Mosques.
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« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2013, 07:04:29 PM »

NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants
cnet ^  | June 15, 2013 4:39 PM PDT | Declan McCullagh

Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2013 7:52:01 PM by tje

The National Security Agency has acknowledged in a new classified briefing that it does not need court authorization to listen to domestic phone calls.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, disclosed this week that during a secret briefing to members of Congress, he was told that the contents of a phone call could be accessed "simply based on an analyst deciding that."

If the NSA wants "to listen to the phone," an analyst's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned. "I was rather startled," said Nadler, an attorney who serves on the House Judiciary committee.


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« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2013, 12:53:10 PM »

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-spying-flap-extends-to-contents-of-u.s-phone-calls


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« Reply #44 on: June 18, 2013, 05:50:22 AM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/17/obama-nsa-surveillance_n_3455771.html#comments



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« Reply #45 on: June 18, 2013, 07:25:19 AM »

Edward Snowden blames Obama
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Edward Snowden blames Obama By: Tal Kopan June 17, 2013 11:39 AM EDT

NSA leaker Edward Snowden criticized President Barack Obama for empty promises in an online Q-and-A on Monday, saying the president’s alleged failings influenced his decision to release the secret information on surveillance.

“Obama’s campaign promises and election gave me faith that he would lead us toward fixing the problems he outlined in his quest for votes. Many Americans felt similarly. Unfortunately, shortly after assuming power, he closed the door on investigating systemic violations of law, deepened and expanded several abusive programs, and refused to spend the political capital to end the kind of human rights violations like we see in Guantanamo, where men still sit without charge,” Snowden said in a response to a question from a commenter on The Guardian’s website.

Snowden was responding to this question: “Why did you wait to release the documents if you said you wanted to tell the world about the NSA programs since before Obama became president?”

Snowden also said the U.S. would not be able to silence him.

“All I can say right now is the US Government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me. Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped,” Snowden said when asked by Guardian reporter Glenn Greenwald what would happen to the information he possessed if something happened to him.

He defended his decision to flee to Hong Kong, claiming the U.S. government did what he expected when the story came out and ruined his chance of a fair trial.

“First, the US Government, just as they did with other whistleblowers, immediately and predictably destroyed any possibility of a fair trial at home....


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« Reply #46 on: June 18, 2013, 02:27:53 PM »

This guy is a traitor. 

G20 summit: NSA targeted Russian president Medvedev in London
Leaked documents reveal Russian president was spied on during visit, as questions are raised over use of US base in Britain
The Guardian, Sunday 16 June 2013 

American spies based in the UK intercepted the top-secret communications of the then Russian president, Dmitry Medvedev, during his visit to Britain for the G20 summit in London, leaked documents reveal.

The details of the intercept were set out in a briefing prepared by the National Security Agency (NSA), America's biggest surveillance and eavesdropping organisation, and shared with high-ranking officials from Britain, Australia, Canada and New Zealand.

The document, leaked by the NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden and seen by the Guardian, shows the agency believed it might have discovered "a change in the way Russian leadership signals have been normally transmitted".

The disclosure underlines the importance of the US spy hub at RAF Menwith Hill in Harrogate, North Yorkshire, where hundreds of NSA analysts are based, working alongside liaison officers from GCHQ.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/16/nsa-dmitry-medvedev-g20-summit
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« Reply #47 on: June 18, 2013, 04:38:02 PM »

This guy is a traitor. 

G20 summit: NSA targeted Russian president Medvedev in London
Leaked documents reveal Russian president was spied on during visit, as questions are raised over use of US base in Britain
The Guardian, Sunday 16 June 2013 

American spies based in the UK intercepted the top-secret communications of the then Russian president, Dmitry Medvedev, during his visit to Britain for the G20 summit in London, leaked documents reveal.

The details of the intercept were set out in a briefing prepared by the National Security Agency (NSA), America's biggest surveillance and eavesdropping organisation, and shared with high-ranking officials from Britain, Australia, Canada and New Zealand.

The document, leaked by the NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden and seen by the Guardian, shows the agency believed it might have discovered "a change in the way Russian leadership signals have been normally transmitted".

The disclosure underlines the importance of the US spy hub at RAF Menwith Hill in Harrogate, North Yorkshire, where hundreds of NSA analysts are based, working alongside liaison officers from GCHQ.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/16/nsa-dmitry-medvedev-g20-summit




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« Reply #48 on: June 18, 2013, 10:14:15 PM »

Who's more the traitor, Obama and his administration or Snowded?
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« Reply #49 on: June 18, 2013, 11:20:08 PM »

Who's more the traitor, Obama and his administration or Snowded?

Obama/Bush and their administrations, no question

Snowden has done us all a good service by outing these government criminals.  They should take Obama's Peace Price and give it to Snowden. 
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