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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1375 on: July 13, 2013, 02:50:26 PM »
sure, the fact that trayvon was doing nothing illegal before the fight started, and that zimmerman was armed and the victim was not, IS TOTALLU IRRELEVANT TO THE FACT THAT HE WAS KILLED.

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it is. He didnt strap up specifically because of Martin, he just happened to be carrying when he was out and about. This is the US, having a firearm on you doesnt automatically make you guilty of murder. Its no different than if he grabbed a rock and crushed his skull to stop martin from beating his head into the concrete (which is what I would have done if I was in zimmermans position and was unarmed.) If I was in Martins position, I would have just told the fat mexican that I was walking to my gfs house like a normal person and been on my merry way

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1376 on: July 13, 2013, 02:50:47 PM »
???

So you think someone unarmed should be allowed to attack and assault someone for the simple fact that the other has a gun and he does not?  ???

so zimmerman went out from his house carring a gun to chase Trayvon and Trayvon is the original attacker?

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1377 on: July 13, 2013, 02:51:52 PM »
240 is right about one thing, anti-gun fundamentalists will use this as an excuse to try and pass all kind of laws that won't work.
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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1378 on: July 13, 2013, 02:52:16 PM »
so zimmerman went out from his house carring a gun to chase Trayvon and Trayvon is the original attacker?
he didnt leave his house with his gun because of Martin, dingus.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1379 on: July 13, 2013, 03:01:26 PM »
just to set one thing straight, Im not pro trayvon, Im pro life. If you kill someone you better have the BEST EXCUSE EVER for it, and not the other way around.


A guy with a criminal recrod that gets his gun and go chase an unarmed kid that was doing nothing illegal to start a confrontation and ends up blowing his head off....... its just very hard for me to swallow the self-defense excuse.

 

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1380 on: July 13, 2013, 03:03:04 PM »
just to set one thing straight, Im not pro trayvon, Im pro life.


If you get your gun and go chase an unarmed kid that was doing nothing illegal to start a confrontation and you end up blowing his head off and you have already a criminal record its just very hard for me to swallow this self-defense excuse.

 
sigh.... he didnt go get his gun to chase the kid down.... he had a cwp and just happened to be carrying when he ran into the kid walking through the neighborhood.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1381 on: July 13, 2013, 03:04:49 PM »
sigh.... he didnt go get his gun to chase the kid down.... he had a cwp and just happened to be carrying when he ran into the kid walking through the neighborhood.

sure, the gun just happened to be there at that time. Totally uncorrelated.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1382 on: July 13, 2013, 03:07:14 PM »
sure, the gun just happened to be there at that time. Totally uncorrelated.

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he was on his way home.... why is it so hard for you to believe that a man with a cwp is carrying his sidearm when hes out? This is America, even my friends that have CWPs literally never leave their house without their sidearms.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1383 on: July 13, 2013, 03:08:41 PM »
and whats up with a proven mentaly unstable guy with a criminal record having a license to carry a gun and play cop on the streets? thats so fucked up, no wonder such of a huge mess happened.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1384 on: July 13, 2013, 03:09:22 PM »
sure, the gun just happened to be there at that time. Totally uncorrelated.

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trayvon // the living

also totally "uncorrelated"  
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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1385 on: July 13, 2013, 03:11:07 PM »
  He still killed a child.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1386 on: July 13, 2013, 03:13:06 PM »
and whats up with a proven mentaly unstable guy with a criminal record having a license to carry a gun and play cop on the streets? thats so fucked up, no wonder such of a huge mess happened.
unless he gets convicted of a felony, he can still legally own and operate a firearm.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1387 on: July 13, 2013, 03:28:29 PM »
  He still killed a child.

if this "child" had been home studying instead of roaming the streets thuggin' , his chocolate tail might still be alive

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1388 on: July 13, 2013, 03:31:38 PM »
if this "child" had been home studying instead of roaming the streets thuggin' , his chocolate tail might still be alive


to be fair, he was just on his way to get some. Although, if he wasnt a chubby chaser, hed still be alive.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1389 on: July 13, 2013, 03:36:48 PM »
 He still killed a child.
Who gives a fuck.  "The child" was beating the shit out of man and could have killed or caused permanent brain damage.  "The Child" decided to attack.

And you know what, he IS NOT a child.  In a lot of states 17 is considered an adult.

Either way, you can`t just hit someone and beat them.  

Do you think people should not have a right to defend themselves and do you think people should have the right to freely assault someone?  ???

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1390 on: July 13, 2013, 03:38:46 PM »
yeah he should have just shot him in the leg.


Uh, kind of hard to do when you have to make a split second decision when someone is on top of you.

One or two more slams could have rendered him unconscious or even dead.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1391 on: July 13, 2013, 03:39:39 PM »
and whats up with a proven mentaly unstable guy with a criminal record having a license to carry a gun and play cop on the streets? thats so fucked up, no wonder such of a huge mess happened.
???

What are you talking about?  ???

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1392 on: July 13, 2013, 03:45:27 PM »
yeah he should have just shot him in the leg.



Sorry, torso shots only.  Extremity and head shots are for the movies.  HTH.   :D

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1393 on: July 13, 2013, 03:46:50 PM »
This is an EPIC PWNING of mass proportions



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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1394 on: July 13, 2013, 05:35:16 PM »
???

Irrelevant statement after irrelevant statement.


Translation:  The True Adonis was talking out of his ass (when he claimed there were witnesses to Trayvon attacking Zimmerman).

It's OK, TA, we are still GB brothers.  I just don't get why some of you pro-Zimm guys need to lie about the facts exaggerate.  After all, I think it's indisputable that Zimm has a pretty good chance of not being convicted of any crime over this without that shit.  The civil trial might not work out so well for him, though, I think.  (Not to mention any, uh, "street justice".)

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1395 on: July 13, 2013, 05:39:36 PM »
sigh.... he didnt go get his gun to chase the kid down.... he had a cwp and just happened to be carrying when he ran into the kid walking through the neighborhood.

Are you seriously suggesting that GZ had just sort of forgotten he was carrying a gun when he got out of his car to follow Trayvon?  That is highly unlikely. 

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BREAKING: Audio was released today, in which an official from Obama’s Department of Justice (DOJ) tried to convince Sanford, FL city officials to pursue legal action against George Zimmerman.

In case you’ve been living under a rock for the past few months, Zimmerman is accused of murdering Trayvon Martin, a black teenager. Zimmerman says he shot the teen in self defense.

The audio was released by Judicial Watch. The DOJ official urges Sanford city officials and Dream Defenders (a minority advocacy group) to aggressively pursue legal action against Zimmerman because “if a community perceives that there’s something wrong in the black community, there’s something wrong.”

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Thomas Battles, the regional director of the DOJ’s Community Relations Service, was recorded during a meeting at the Shiloh Church in April, 2012. He said, “CRS is an arm of the department that we call the Peacemakers. We work with communities where there is real or perceived racial tensions.
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“When Trayvon happened, for many of us, it was the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back. We had grown up in a state and environment where race is a way of life … We’re not from Sanford, but what Sanford represented to us was the very real problems going around this state and this country. We wanted to figure out how could we stand in solidarity, and how could we make this about not just justice for Trayvon, but using this moment and using the opportunity to honor his memory, to honor his spirit by working to bring down the various structures and the various systems that allow something like this to happen.”

It is almost unimaginable that the federal government would interfere in a criminal case in this manner. At the same time, given the abysmal track record of the Obama Administration, it is not hard to believe.

The Obama Administration must be held accountable for this — but I won’t hold my breath.

http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/07/21271-obama-official-caught-on-tape-pushing-for-legal-action-against-zimmerman/




He's the Director of Community Relations.....of course he's going to say it.  He also has a right to his opinion as well.
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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1399 on: July 13, 2013, 06:35:08 PM »
From News Max:

Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz says the prosecutors in the George Zimmerman murder trial should be charged with "prosecutorial misconduct" for suggesting the defendant planned the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin.

"That is something no prosecutor should be allowed to get away with … to make up a story from whole cloth," Dershowitz told "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV.

"These prosecutors should be disbarred. They have acted absolutely irresponsibly in an utterly un-American fashion."

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Zimmerman, a 29-year-old neighborhood watch volunteer, is charged with gunning down Martin, 17, as the two fought following a confrontation in the gated Sanford, Fla., community where Zimmerman lives — an act the defendant said was in self-defense.

In the prosecution's final argument on Friday, lawyer John Guy said Zimmerman deliberately followed Martin and "shot him because he wanted to."

Dershowitz called Guy's statement "such speculation. How does he get into the mind of Zimmerman? He hasn't cross-examined him, he hasn't met him.

"To ask the jury to believe that is to ask the jury to convict based on complete and utter speculation and that's not the way the law operates."

A day earlier, prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda said Zimmerman — whom he labeled a "wannabe cop" — "followed" and "tracked" Martin after profiling him as a criminal.

Dershowitz said not only should Zimmerman have not been charged with second-degree murder, but prosecutors should not have pushed to have manslaughter and child abuse added to the list of possible jury verdicts.

"[It's] utterly irresponsible. … The idea that the prosecution can try the case on a murder theory and then, at the last minute, substitute manslaughter, even though it seems to be permitted generally under Florida law — it's a big mistake to allow it in a case like this,” he said.

"And then the very idea of even suggesting child abuse in a case like this is so irresponsible."

Dershowitz praised the closing argument of defense lawyer Mark O'Mara.

"He did the right thing by being methodical and factual because this is a case where the prosecution's case is all emotion and the defense case is all factual," the famed civil-rights lawyer said.

"Emotionally, obviously everybody can identify with a young, unarmed 17-year-old who ends up dead, and emotionally, as President [Barack] Obama said, he's all of our children."

Dershowitz — whose clients have included Claus von Bulow, Mike Tyson, Patricia Hearst, and former televangelist Jim Bakker — said the case has "reasonable doubt" written all over it.

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"Nobody knows who started the initial physical encounter, who threw the first blow — and if you don't know that you have to have a reasonable doubt," he said.

"Nobody knows for sure who screamed, 'Help me, help me.' You have to have a reasonable doubt about that. Nobody knows for sure who was on top and who was on bottom, though the overwhelming forensic evidence suggests that Zimmerman was on the bottom having his head banged by a younger, stronger man. You have to have reasonable doubt there."



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