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[tu_holmes]

We certainly need one.  This piece of crap isnt what we needed and is a fraud. 

I agree completely.

[AbrahamG]

Obamacare is most certainly better than the status quo.

[Soul Crusher]

Obamacare is most certainly better than the status quo.

LOL.   

[tonymctones]

We certainly need one.  This piece of crap isnt what we needed and is a fraud. 

^^^
THIS

acting simply for the sake of acting and saving face which is exactly what obama and the liberals did was not the solution to the problem. What they did was take 5 steps back in getting to a good solution by passing this bill which complicates with red tape and bureaucracy, increases cost to insure people, increases costs of everyday businesses and hurts the economy.

[tonymctones]

Obamacare is most certainly better than the status quo.

obviously it is, but why dont you give us the young college student perspective just in case we may be overlooking some of the more obvious points

[AbrahamG]

obviously it is, but why dont you give us the young college student perspective just in case we may be overlooking some of the more obvious points

Off the top of my head, how about the 24 year old college student who would have been kicked off his parents insurance pre "Obamacare".

How about the pre existing condition clause?

Please, enlighten me why those 2 provisions aren't good?

I'll be waiting with my boots on.

[MCWAY]

Off the top of my head, how about the 24 year old college student who would have been kicked off his parents insurance pre "Obamacare".

How about the pre existing condition clause?

Please, enlighten me why those 2 provisions aren't good?

I'll be waiting with my boots on.

At 24, you should already be out of college (for most majors) and with a JOB.

Pre-existing conditions cost extra for treatment. If you don't let doctors charge what is appropriate, they'll just stop treating certain ailments altogether. You can have the coverage all you want; it's finding someone who will do the procedures that's the trick.

[LurkerNoMore]

At 24, you should already be out of college (for most majors) and with a JOB.

Pre-existing conditions cost extra for treatment. If you don't let doctors charge what is appropriate, they'll just stop treating certain ailments altogether. You can have the coverage all you want; it's finding someone who will do the procedures that's the trick.

They most certainly do NOT.  And they most certainly will NOT.  The billing is the exact same for services rendered no matter if it is your first time being treated or your tenth.  You are billed for the services based on treatment and duration.  As far as doctors going to stop treating certain ailments, if it is within their scope and practice and they stop... well that is just shitting on the Hippocratic Oath they have taken and based their life upon.  They can expect to be dropped by any hospital they are employed by, contracted with or affiliated with.   

[tonymctones]

Off the top of my head, how about the 24 year old college student who would have been kicked off his parents insurance pre "Obamacare".

How about the pre existing condition clause?

Please, enlighten me why those 2 provisions aren't good?

I'll be waiting with my boots on.

youre picking and choosing there genius...you spoke on the totality of obamacare not bits and pieces.

Those clauses could have been passed independently, if I recall correctly reps were in favor of both of those at the end of negotiations.

you said obamacare was better "not bits and pieces of obamacare was better".

[tonymctones]

At 24, you should already be out of college (for most majors) and with a JOB.

Pre-existing conditions cost extra for treatment. If you don't let doctors charge what is appropriate, they'll just stop treating certain ailments altogether. You can have the coverage all you want; it's finding someone who will do the procedures that's the trick.

youre talking to one of those 24 year old college students who is still on his parents insurance though, in his mind he should be able to milk his parents until he decides its time to grow up.

[AbrahamG]

youre picking and choosing there genius...you spoke on the totality of obamacare not bits and pieces.

Those clauses could have been passed independently, if I recall correctly reps were in favor of both of those at the end of negotiations.

you said obamacare was better "not bits and pieces of obamacare was better".

It is better.  Even if these bits and pieces are the only changes, they alone make it better. 

[tonymctones]

It is better.  Even if these bits and pieces are the only changes, they alone make it better. 

so these two little pieces outweigh all the negatives?

[AbrahamG]

so these two little pieces outweigh all the negatives?

There really aren't any negatives except for not going far enough.  For example, single payer.

[Soul Crusher]

There really aren't any negatives except for not going far enough.  For example, single payer.

Delusional and naive. 

[loco]

I know of a white woman in the USA who said that she has never voted Republican and will never vote Republican.  She's a die hard, liberal Democrat.  The past two presidential elections, she refused to vote because she said she believes blacks shouldn't govern the nation.   

[dario73]

There really aren't any negatives except for not going far enough.  For example, single payer.

Single-payer?

How about you look at other nations that have single-payer and come back to tell us how that is working out for them.

[Soul Crusher]

Single-payer?

How about you look at other nations that have single-payer and come back to tell us how that is working out for them.

These liberal psychotics want to trust the same psychos who gave us GhettoCare to do singlepayor.   How sick in the head must one be to have that belief?   

[dario73]

It is better.  Even if these bits and pieces are the only changes, they alone make it better. 

Really?

So those bits and pieces outweigh the huge increase in premiums that outpace the premium increases of the current "status quo", the consequence that employers are laying off or cutting hours in order to be under 30 full time employees, and the 30 MILLION PEOPLE THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE UNINSURED ACCORDING TO THE CBO?

How can it be better when it doesn't even solve the problem?

[dario73]

These liberal psychotics want to trust the same psychos who gave us GhettoCare to do singlepayor.   How sick in the head must one be to have that belief?   

These idiots have Social Security, the Post Office, IRS, and Human Services (welfare) staring them in the face as proof of the government's incompetence and wasteful spending.

Yet, they will trust that same government with their health care. HEHEHEHEH!! Bunch of idiots. No wonder this country is in the toilet.

[whork]

The fact of the matter is that everything we use in society is paid for by others......everyone's taxes are used to pay for firemen, police, etc...when you go to the park and use their facilities, you are using something paid for by someone else....If a fire breaks out in your house are you going to put it out yourself???.....or are you going to call the fire department which is PAID FOR BY SOMEONE ELSE to do it for you???

Public hospitals have been treating people for decades and they have always been PAID FOR BY SOMEONE ELSE...the army that protects us is PAID FOR BY SOMEONE ELSE...or should we all have our own private militias???

SO WHY DON'T WE DENY YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO UTILIZE THE POLICE, FIRE DEPT, AND SANITATION DEPT TO PICK UP YOUR GARBAGE BECAUSE ITS PAID FOR BY SOMEONE ELSE???

GET REAL

Great post.

[Soul Crusher]

Great post.

No its not a great post.  Its a typical post from someone who is a net drain on society. 

[whork]

No its not a great post.  Its a typical post from someone who is a net drain on society. 

You mean like lawyers?

[bears]

i find it beyond funny that the prevailing argument by the liberals on thsi board is that universal healthcare is the ONLY solution.  and that its a slam dunk.  unbelievable.

[bears]

The fact of the matter is that everything we use in society is paid for by others......everyone's taxes are used to pay for firemen, police, etc...when you go to the park and use their facilities, you are using something paid for by someone else....If a fire breaks out in your house are you going to put it out yourself???.....or are you going to call the fire department which is PAID FOR BY SOMEONE ELSE to do it for you???

Public hospitals have been treating people for decades and they have always been PAID FOR BY SOMEONE ELSE...the army that protects us is PAID FOR BY SOMEONE ELSE...or should we all have our own private militias???

SO WHY DON'T WE DENY YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO UTILIZE THE POLICE, FIRE DEPT, AND SANITATION DEPT TO PICK UP YOUR GARBAGE BECAUSE ITS PAID FOR BY SOMEONE ELSE???

there is so much stupid in this post i can't even find a place to begin a rebuttal.  basically because there are some things paid for by the taxpayers then the entire private sector should be wiped out of existence?  because the private sector has given us nothing right?  i'm sorry but this is the most idiotic, most vapid post i've seen on this board.......ever.  may god have mercy on your soul.

[bears]

Great post.

oh christ.