SHAWN RAY. Your thoughts about Skip Lacour.

[joejoe]

you keep asking what all this has to do with skip. how many examples of guys winning these shows that at some point admit they use drugs do you need before you accept the fact that all the winners are using or have used? if you believe a true natural can compete with a user, you are even dumber than i previously thought.

[mwbbuilder]

you keep asking what all this has to do with skip. how many examples of guys winning these shows that at some point admit they use drugs do you need before you accept the fact that all the winners are using or have used? if you believe a true natural can compete with a user, you are even dumber than i previously thought.

What does "compete" mean? You can pay your entry fee and be allowed to compete. Obviously you think placing 10th in the heavyweights at the USA is WAY, WAY too much on an accomplishment for a drug free bodybuilder.

Isn't that right?

[Norton]

"Hey joejoe, did I miss something? What does this have to do with Skip being drug free?"

you really arent that bright arent you? it has nothing directly to do with skip, just more evidence in the case against him.

but, it directly has to do with this:

"But the kicker is "a guy comes on here and admits his guys that are winning the shows are using, and admits the judges know they are using"

I mean how can you argue with that?"

because you are an ignorant dumbfuck that didnt know wtf he was talking about when i was talking about alimini.

keep drinking the kool-aid, maybe skip will send you a dvd.

Hey joejoe you're a little touchy about this. I'm telling you Skip is drugfree and you don't have a shred of evidence to prove otherwise. Aside from the guy you said was on here and said he had a friend who know somebody that knew somebody that read it somewhere that no one is natural.

And I don't give a shit about alimini. All this bullshit you are using to try and prove your point (which it appears you don't even know what point you are trying to make) is simply making you the dumbfuck.

I think you need to get over your "little man" complex.

[Norton]

you keep asking what all this has to do with skip. how many examples of guys winning these shows that at some point admit they use drugs do you need before you accept the fact that all the winners are using or have used? if you believe a true natural can compete with a user, you are even dumber than i previously thought.

So all you have to do is take drugs. That's the answer to bodybuilding success. Maybe the more you take the better you'll be.

You have it all figured out. You and your joejoe proof.

The little man has it all figured out.

[Disgusted]

Disgusted............Now you know how I roll.
Dont Hate. 

I don't hate you Shawn and I have no idea as to what you mean by "how I roll"? You need to speak english and a lesson in humility would do you some good. Shawn, on a serious note, you are not a Christian by any means. Sadly  you may never realize this.

[Oliver Klaushof]

If you don't think it's possible to reach this level naturally, what does that say about you? I think he very well could be a natural. If not, I know it's possible to attain this physique without drugs. It's ridiculous how people assume anyone with the slightest muscular development is on the sauce. You would think it's impossible to develop muscle without drugs by reading some of these post. Must be laziness.

[joejoe]

yes mwb, top 10 in the heavyweight class at the usa's in this day and age of drug use, i dont think anyone with any long experience in bodybuilding will say it would be possible for someone that has never used juice, never used a diuretic, and never used any growth or insulin. believe what you want, but there are guys that bust their ass for years, decent enough genetics to win small/state level shows, using the drugs and will never see top 10 at the usa's. drugs are just too much of an advantage to overcome among people with similar genetics.

keep drinking the kool-aid norton, skip is probably going to be sending that dvd soon.

[aliamini]

There is nothing Called natural BBing … there is tested and untested shows … skip does tested shows, which doesn’t mean he doesn’t use drugs … it means he is clean (urine sample) on the day of the test

When I said that earlier about my team mates … so of u got upset and called me a cheater, this is the way things are done.  The IFBB world Championship is tested as well, so the same thing applies to all the tested shows …

What Shawn said was very respectful and talked as a fellow BBer and a businessman. 

 Skip says he is drug free cause he is doing a tested show and wants to market himself + he wants to sell the DVDs and book he produces … I bought the MAX-OT style DVD … what interested me the most (before I buy it) was the nutrition seminar but after listening to it (1 hour seminar) I was disappointed cause he basically says nothing useful and tries to sell the AST products mainly.  (any flex nutrition article would be more beneficial that what he said for an hour.

Y don’t people believe skip is natural?  Cause the people in the sport know the Science (not skip alone knows it)

Skip doesn’t have to prove anything to anyone … but if want to be marketed well I believe you should stick to the facts and not mention some of them instead of changing them. 

And as good as you see him on stage … he will never do any serious damage with the IFBB World champion athletes … that is the best of the tested shows.  They don’t care who u r and where are u from … they will do the test and if u get caught the penalty will apply.

The sad part when the fans find out the truth and hate the BBer and disrespect him (so y lie in the fist place)

I hope everyone reads my previous clearly … I never mentioned any of my team members are taking drugs … nor are they cheating … the people on the board assumed.  But one thing I can say for sure I never lied nor and of my athletes ever did

There were some BBers got disqualified from Musclemania in Australia (I don’t remember which year) and there BBers who got disqualified from IFBB world in 2002 and 2003.


No disrespect to skip … I just wrote my opinion … if anyone sees it any different way … it is up to you … it is a free country after all

P.S. this is a public forum and no federation is going to take what is wrote here as a official statement.  Nor does anyone know here who is who

Happy new year Shawn

Ali Amini

[Oliver Klaushof]

50s






20s



And this was before people really learned about nutrition and the best ways to exercise.

[Oliver Klaushof]

1910

[Zugzwang]

There is nothing Called natural BBing … there is tested and untested shows … skip does tested shows, which doesn’t mean he doesn’t use drugs … it means he is clean (urine sample) on the day of the test

Indeed. There's a real naivety about 'natural' bodybuilding, much like there was about ALL pro bodybuilding back in the 1970s-1980s, and much like there used to be about the entire field in the finals of the 100m sprint at the Olympics. Some people, even to this day, think that only 'one or two' of the athletes therein are using performance-enhancing drugs (usually the winners) and everyone else is natural (hence, why they lost).

As said above, the only real fact is that they passed the urine tests. That's about it. So do the vast majority of track athletes, with only a few of the desperate/greedy/stupid ones getting caught (i.e., Ben Johnson, Chambers, Montgomery). Michael Johnson never got caught, but that doesn't make him clean. He was just X per cent smarter than the others. Same goes for Lance Armstrong. You really think a natural guy was beating the doped-up Jan Ullrich!?

If you think back to the mid-to-late 1980s when FLEX was absolutely the bible, anyone who read the magazine who really wasn't on the pulse (i.e., no internet, no mass sharing of controlled information) and didn't actually compete themselves (or take BB to a very high level) had little to no idea all the pros were heavy users. It wasn't mentioned, wasn't discussed, and because FLEX et al said so (and still does), it was assumed they were natural. It seems unbelievably daft and naive now, doesn't it? Because it was, and you can re-apply that blind-sided logic and way of thinking to today's naturals.

The thing that really bugs me about La Cour's web site, and I think this was also mentioned above, is it looks and reads like a scam site. Like a porno site, where it's just endlessly plugging you to buy things and click on this and then buy that etc etc. I realise the guy has to make a living, but if he was genuinely natural and genuinely this God of that world, he could and should be cleaning up. The fact he has to resort to endlessly peddling inferior products amongst the token and throwaway 'tips' on his site leads me to believe he's a bit of a charlatan.

He may well show up as 'natural' on a urine test, and he may well be 'natural' this second, or for X months of the year, but does that mean he was and is always natural? Does it f**k.

[(nothing)]

really i could care less if skip is natural or not. if anyone is going to be natural it would be him. he has no life outside of training and dieting. he eats clean all year and works out 7 weeks on and 1 week (as far as thel ast time read). so if the man says he is and passes the drug he has got to pass who are we to say he is or isn't.
on the whole skip is better than shawn, needle or not skip can't touch shawn while he was competing. 2nd shawn doesn't compete, shit he doesn't even workout so i would hope skip looks better than shawn. finally who gives a shit if skip trains harder, ronnie trains harder than skip so what point does that make.
natural yes or no, i could see it either way.

[Hedgehog]

Same goes for Lance Armstrong. You really think a natural guy was beating the doped-up Jan Ullrich!?

When did Jan Ullrich get caught for using gear?

Had no idea he has been caught.

YIP
Zack

[Zugzwang]

When did Jan Ullrich get caught for using gear?

He was banned for six months and dropped by his team in 2002 when he tested positive for amphetamines and ecstacy, I think; not gear per se, although those were your words, not mine.

My point wasn't about Ullrich per se, but more Armstrong and the extreme end of all sports. And it'll never change, as moving back to the track example, nobody wants to see > 10 second 100m finals at the Olympics any more. Nobody.

[Tombo]

The Skip is natural, no doubt in my mind. There are freaks out there people. Alot of your are very defensive.

[mwbbuilder]

go to this website.

there are pages and pages of free information posted written by SKip Lacaour (like 5 years worth).

http://www.ast-ss.com/q_a/skip/q_a/skip_qa_main.asp

[ToxicAvenger]

Hey I said that utterly compelling evidence you presented has changed my mind.

than you'r an idiot 

[Norton]

than you'r an idiot 

And you are a wad of monkey shit. 

[ToxicAvenger]

And you are a wad of monkey shit. 

and you'r a cumquat!



..wait..i like this game...

[Norton]

Indeed. There's a real naivety about 'natural' bodybuilding, much like there was about ALL pro bodybuilding back in the 1970s-1980s, and much like there used to be about the entire field in the finals of the 100m sprint at the Olympics. Some people, even to this day, think that only 'one or two' of the athletes therein are using performance-enhancing drugs (usually the winners) and everyone else is natural (hence, why they lost).

As said above, the only real fact is that they passed the urine tests. That's about it. So do the vast majority of track athletes, with only a few of the desperate/greedy/stupid ones getting caught (i.e., Ben Johnson, Chambers, Montgomery). Michael Johnson never got caught, but that doesn't make him clean. He was just X per cent smarter than the others. Same goes for Lance Armstrong. You really think a natural guy was beating the doped-up Jan Ullrich!?

If you think back to the mid-to-late 1980s when FLEX was absolutely the bible, anyone who read the magazine who really wasn't on the pulse (i.e., no internet, no mass sharing of controlled information) and didn't actually compete themselves (or take BB to a very high level) had little to no idea all the pros were heavy users. It wasn't mentioned, wasn't discussed, and because FLEX et al said so (and still does), it was assumed they were natural. It seems unbelievably daft and naive now, doesn't it? Because it was, and you can re-apply that blind-sided logic and way of thinking to today's naturals.

The thing that really bugs me about La Cour's web site, and I think this was also mentioned above, is it looks and reads like a scam site. Like a porno site, where it's just endlessly plugging you to buy things and click on this and then buy that etc etc. I realise the guy has to make a living, but if he was genuinely natural and genuinely this God of that world, he could and should be cleaning up. The fact he has to resort to endlessly peddling inferior products amongst the token and throwaway 'tips' on his site leads me to believe he's a bit of a charlatan.

He may well show up as 'natural' on a urine test, and he may well be 'natural' this second, or for X months of the year, but does that mean he was and is always natural? Does it f**k.

Wow, more stunning evidence! That's a lot words to prove absolutely nothing.

[Norton]

He was banned for six months and dropped by his team in 2002 when he tested positive for amphetamines and ecstacy, I think; not gear per se, although those were your words, not mine.

My point wasn't about Ullrich per se, but more Armstrong and the extreme end of all sports. And it'll never change, as moving back to the track example, nobody wants to see > 10 second 100m finals at the Olympics any more. Nobody.

So is it your belief that whoever takes the most drugs wins?

[Norton]

and you'r a cumquat!



..wait..i like this game...

Fun huh?

[ToxicAvenger]

Fun huh?

uhhuh...yes skip..tis a lotta fun! 

[Norton]

uhhuh...yes skip..tis a lotta fun! 

uh okay pete . . .

[Biggrnyou]

If you don't think it's possible to reach this level naturally, what does that say about you? I think he very well could be a natural. If not, I know it's possible to attain this physique without drugs. It's ridiculous how people assume anyone with the slightest muscular development is on the sauce. You would think it's impossible to develop muscle without drugs by reading some of these post. Must be laziness.

Agreed.  End of Story.