How much gear are pro powerlifters running?

[claymore]

Claymore trains with some of the top guys in the world. 

LoL Claymore TRAINS with the TOP guys in the world !! lol Stan Efferding is ranked #1 in the world at 275 with a 2,303 RAW total and Eric Spoto is #1 in the bench press with a 722 RAW bench press. We just added Brittany Pryor to the mix she's ranked #2 in the USA with a 1300 RAW total 479.5 sqaut, 292.1 bench and a 529 deadlift...she's pulled 545.5 but they red lighted her yesterday ?? We've trained with Dan "the man" Green as well Oleskii Omelchenko, the reason i say all of this is because I KNOW WHAT THE FUCK I"M TALKING ABOUT !!! what i'm about to say isn't opinion...IT'S FACT !!!

Typical Cycle is something like this:

1000mg of Test (Cyp, Enanthate, Blend)
600-1000mg of Deca
600-1000mg of EQ
Some type of oral (D-bol, Anadrol) if not both

Other drugs used:

Tren is used A LOT !!! 700mg-1500mg (just depends on the lifter)
Halotestin is used as well, anywhere from 3-4 weeks out from a meet dosage is really tricky, some people are super sensitive to this drug.
Test Suspension works very well, 3-4 weeks out from meet as well. (dosage is anywhere from 350mg-700mg a week)
Winstrol frees up SHBG, anywhere from 50mg-100mg daily 2-3 weeks at a time. Maybe like 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. Keep running it like this for the whole cycle.

Point of the story is it's not that hard, EAT A LOT, train your ass off !!! Get plenty of sleep and be consistent and you'll grow like a weed and be strong as FUCK !!! 

[Overload]

Thanks claymore!

Sounds similar to what i used back in the day when i was a gorilla.

[anabolichalo]

no HGH, insulin, igf1?

[claymore]

No problem "Overload"  As for Insulin, GH, IGF-1 I think there HIGHLY Overrated, especially for powerlifting. If anything slin will help you eat more and that would be my #1 pick out of those three choices.

[oni]

no HGH, insulin, igf1?

Yeah I take insulin but no idea about the pros
It's obvious that Scot Mendelson takes slin.

I like 2ui pre workout, once a week. The day is a full body training day and I just get blood into everywhere. It's enough to notice a difference that's for sure. I'll take 4-6ui post training that day as the pizza comes out the oven then I slice it, put in the second pizza and some fries by then I'm starting to go hypo and ready to tuck in!

[anabolichalo]

high fat pizza and fries probably not the ideal food to eat with slin.

they raise the blood sugar like crazy

diabetics need a double dose at least when they eat a pizza or fries

[OTHstrong]

they raise the blood sugar like crazy

diabetics need a double dose at least when they eat a pizza or fries

too much fat, try to avoid fat on slin

[Wolfox]

they raise the blood sugar like crazy

diabetics need a double dose at least when they eat a pizza or fries

Pizza actually has a low GI.

[oni]

Nice conjecture based on one sentence guys...
I keto diet and use the insulin to assist with the carb up
Also total calories you eat dictates how fat or lean you get. Lets not kid ourselves here. Eating at a caloric deficit 4 days a week with a 2 hour rampage meal with a few ui of insulin won't get you fat when you do 13 heavy sessions a week.

I agree, spiking your insulin and eating a load of fat is generally a bad idea. But in two hours I am only capable of eating roughly 3000-3500kcal and it's simply not going to undo a whole weeks worth of hard dieting. I'm finding quite the opposite actually, it ramps up my metabolic rate and I am pouring with sweat until around midday the next day. The next morning I am bloated by Sat night through until around Monday I look "great"

[OTHstrong]

Nice conjecture based on one sentence guys...
I keto diet and use the insulin to assist with the carb up
Also total calories you eat dictates how fat or lean you get. Lets not kid ourselves here. Eating at a caloric deficit 4 days a week with a 2 hour rampage meal with a few ui of insulin won't get you fat when you do 13 heavy sessions a week.

I agree, spiking your insulin and eating a load of fat is generally a bad idea. But in two hours I am only capable of eating roughly 3000-3500kcal and it's simply not going to undo a whole weeks worth of hard dieting. I'm finding quite the opposite actually, it ramps up my metabolic rate and I am pouring with sweat until around midday the next day. The next morning I am bloated by Sat night through until around Monday I look "great"

no of course not, in your particular case it is just justified, but under regular circumstance general rules should be applied when using slin.

 Eating fat while pre workout slin will cause fat to go directly into the muscle cells, hence actually changing the hardness of the individual muscles being worked in the long run.

[oni]

no of course not, in your particular case it is just justified, but under regular circumstance general rules should be applied when using slin.

 Eating fat while pre workout slin will cause fat to go directly into the muscle cells, hence actually changing the hardness of the individual muscles being worked in the long run.

At the moment I can spike my insulin enough pre workout naturally. I'll have 10 egg whites scrambled no fats used (I save the yolks) and eat at just before I drive to the gym which is 10 mins away. I think this is around 3.5g of leucine and 5g of glutamine peptides and I'll double this up in the protein shake I drink on the way to the gym as well. This actually sends me hypo when I start training lol (tested with glucometer) and I'll have to sit down for 5 minutes then I am ok when the whey starts breaking down and I can continue training. But with the carb up having a few ui pre workout and with my meal helps a lot. I wouldn't want to use insulin pre workout on a non carb day really as I already go slightly hypo. Sometimes I'll have a handful of frozen blueberries in the middle of my workout which gives me 15g of carbs if it's really bad

Also eggs the morning after my carb up drops me into keto pretty much instantly!

[anabolichalo]

Pizza actually has a low GI.

theory and application prove very different in that case

[Mr.Olegowitsch]

Nice answers! 
Does anybody has an idea what those guys took or if they took less than powerlifters today?

 

[oni]

theory and application prove very different in that case

There is the glycemic index, then the glycemic load.
Pizza is low GI, but if you're eating 500g of carbs then the LOAD is very high.
Watermelon is a very high GI, doesn't matter as there is fuck all sugar in there and you'd have to eat an ungodly amount to get the same GL as a pizza


Claymore: What are the advantages of TNE leading up to a meet? I usually take sustanon, daily injections with a slin pin. You said they use TNE 4 weeks out but why this far out? I can't think how it would be beneficial over any other form of test. The night before and morning of the meet I can see, MAYBE even the week of the meet but how can you possibly benefit from an instant rise in testosterone that far out? Thanks man. I'll probably be mining a shitload of info out of you in the coming months haha

[OTHstrong]

There is the glycemic index, then the glycemic load.
Pizza is low GI, but if you're eating 500g of carbs then the LOAD is very high.
Watermelon is a very high GI, doesn't matter as there is fuck all sugar in there and you'd have to eat an ungodly amount to get the same GL as a pizza


Claymore: What are the advantages of TNE leading up to a meet? I usually take sustanon, daily injections with a slin pin. You said they use TNE 4 weeks out but why this far out? I can't think how it would be beneficial over any other form of test. The night before and morning of the meet I can see, MAYBE even the week of the meet but how can you possibly benefit from an instant rise in testosterone that far out? Thanks man. I'll probably be mining a shitload of info out of you in the coming months haha

TNE makes you lift lie a monster in the gym immediately after injecting, why wouldn`t this be beneficial to a power-lifter 4 weeks out

[oni]

TNE makes you lift lie a monster in the gym immediately after injecting, why wouldn`t this be beneficial to a power-lifter 4 weeks out

I've never taken suspension so I didn't really know.
Generally I test maxes 18-21 days out as the Russian research says this is just about right for peaking. So after this, I am not really doing heavy work at all. Mostly in the 70-80% range for doubles and triples.
I know a lot of the equipped guys do circa max phases leading up to a meet and can now see it's benefit there. I've never really seen the need to be a monster that far out though. But I'd like to see what other people say for sure. Maybe it does make that much of a difference I really don't know!

[Christo]

LoL Claymore TRAINS with the TOP guys in the world !! lol Stan Efferding is ranked #1 in the world at 275 with a 2,303 RAW total and Eric Spoto is #1 in the bench press with a 722 RAW bench press. We just added Brittany Pryor to the mix she's ranked #2 in the USA with a 1300 RAW total 479.5 sqaut, 292.1 bench and a 529 deadlift...she's pulled 545.5 but they red lighted her yesterday ?? We've trained with Dan "the man" Green as well Oleskii Omelchenko, the reason i say all of this is because I KNOW WHAT THE FUCK I"M TALKING ABOUT !!! what i'm about to say isn't opinion...IT'S FACT !!!

Typical Cycle is something like this:

1000mg of Test (Cyp, Enanthate, Blend)
600-1000mg of Deca
600-1000mg of EQ
Some type of oral (D-bol, Anadrol) if not both

Other drugs used:

Tren is used A LOT !!! 700mg-1500mg (just depends on the lifter)
Halotestin is used as well, anywhere from 3-4 weeks out from a meet dosage is really tricky, some people are super sensitive to this drug.
Test Suspension works very well, 3-4 weeks out from meet as well. (dosage is anywhere from 350mg-700mg a week)
Winstrol frees up SHBG, anywhere from 50mg-100mg daily 2-3 weeks at a time. Maybe like 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. Keep running it like this for the whole cycle.

Point of the story is it's not that hard, EAT A LOT, train your ass off !!! Get plenty of sleep and be consistent and you'll grow like a weed and be strong as FUCK !!! 

And what is your opinion about the Olympic/World weightlifters? the same dosages?

[oni]

And what is your opinion about the Olympic/World weightlifters? the same dosages?

It's more about recovery for them as it's technique based and they need to grease the groove very often.
Mostly anabolics, not androgens. Equipoise is right at the top of the positive tests right next to dbol. HGH is very popular also.

http://www.allthingsgym.com/top-10-banned-substances-weightlifters-got-caught-with/

[claymore]

There is the glycemic index, then the glycemic load.
Pizza is low GI, but if you're eating 500g of carbs then the LOAD is very high.
Watermelon is a very high GI, doesn't matter as there is fuck all sugar in there and you'd have to eat an ungodly amount to get the same GL as a pizza


Claymore: What are the advantages of TNE leading up to a meet? I usually take sustanon, daily injections with a slin pin. You said they use TNE 4 weeks out but why this far out? I can't think how it would be beneficial over any other form of test. The night before and morning of the meet I can see, MAYBE even the week of the meet but how can you possibly benefit from an instant rise in testosterone that far out? Thanks man. I'll probably be mining a shitload of info out of you in the coming months haha

There's no right or wrong way, but 4 weeks out is what most would do...the reason being if you've ever used real suspension it'll give you an INSANE pre-workout kick and that leads to really intense workouts which in return builds extreme confidence. Anyone that tells you "You have to use this or you have to take that" is FULL OF SHIT !!!! There's a 100 different ways to skin a cat

[claymore]

And what is your opinion about the Olympic/World weightlifters? the same dosages?

Honestly I wouldn't have a clue ?? If i had to bet, I'm sure they take plenty lol now that i think about it, they probably got some super dooper rocket fuel that we don't know about lol

[oni]

There's no right or wrong way, but 4 weeks out is what most would do...the reason being if you've ever used real suspension it'll give you an INSANE pre-workout kick and that leads to really intense workouts which in return builds extreme confidence. Anyone that tells you "You have to use this or you have to take that" is FULL OF SHIT !!!! There's a 100 different ways to skin a cat

I train very frequently, very high volume. Think Sheiko but higher intensity.
I peak pretty much identically to Sheiko though. Maxes 18-21 days out then doubles and triples at 70-75% until the meet.
What do you think would be the most cost effective way to run suspension?

I'm poor so for my meet in December 13th I am currently running 500mg/week test enanthate, added in tren ace Nov 10th, 75mg over 2 days pinned daily. Start of December I start orals, take last test E injection on the 2nd and then the next day start sustanon at 1g a week spread out over daily injections.

My next meet after that will be states or nationals and I'd like to run suspension for sure. Sustanon is just so fucking cheap though!

[OTHstrong]

There's no right or wrong way, but 4 weeks out is what most would do...the reason being if you've ever used real suspension it'll give you an INSANE pre-workout kick and that leads to really intense workouts which in return builds extreme confidence. Anyone that tells you "You have to use this or you have to take that" is FULL OF SHIT !!!! There's a 100 different ways to skin a cat

Claymore knows his shit no doubt and has worked out with the best of them. Can you tell us other poundage's Eric has done on other exercise related to the bench press bro? fuck he fucken tossed 500 like nothing, unbelievable, looked like most guys moving 1 plate

[Mr.Olegowitsch]

I train very frequently, very high volume. Think Sheiko but higher intensity.
I peak pretty much identically to Sheiko though. Maxes 18-21 days out then doubles and triples at 70-75% until the meet.
What do you think would be the most cost effective way to run suspension?

I'm poor so for my meet in December 13th I am currently running 500mg/week test enanthate, added in tren ace Nov 10th, 75mg over 2 days pinned daily. Start of December I start orals, take last test E injection on the 2nd and then the next day start sustanon at 1g a week spread out over daily injections.

My next meet after that will be states or nationals and I'd like to run suspension for sure. Sustanon is just so fucking cheap though!

Damn, Oni... dont know why,but somehow I thought you wouldn't take that much 

[oni]

Damn, Oni... dont know why,but somehow I thought you wouldn't take that much 

It's only for a few weeks. I am pretty close to breaking the Australian record in my weight class.
I don't see any reason to go over 500mg total the rest of the year. After the meet I'll be doing 4 weeks 500mg test, 4 weeks 400mg deca + 125mg test

[Mr.Olegowitsch]

It's only for a few weeks. I am pretty close to breaking the Australian record in my weight class.
I don't see any reason to go over 500mg total the rest of the year. After the meet I'll be doing 4 weeks 500mg test, 4 weeks 400mg deca + 125mg test

Good luck with the record! Btw are you staying on year around or do you sometimes go off for few months?