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« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2005, 08:49:26 AM »

wtf are you posting on a message board for?Huh Discussing bodybuilding related shit is the point of the whole board c*nt  knocker



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« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2005, 12:45:42 PM »

this is a pretty good answer. are you talking pure lean muscle?  you have to remember that alot of the weight u put on is water.
I'm saying a guy that competes at 200 ripped and dry could now compete at 220-240 with the same conditioning.
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« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2005, 01:24:45 PM »

Iím not just thinking of bodyweight, bench press or things of that sort.  Iím thinking of ALL the things that ALL supplements add to the contest physuque.  If they had to rely simply on food and no supplements of ANY kind--even diuretics and similar products they would look very different that what we are used to seeing.

Think for a moment about how radically different pros today look from pros from the 70s.  Now, recall that in the 70s they were using mild dosages of supplements.  Now imagine ALL the supplements are gone.  With just food and training left I stand by 40-50%.


  Nope. I think supplements don't do shit, besides protein powders. Just my opinion.

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« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2005, 10:16:52 PM »

A good analogy on this issue is bench pressing with high tech bench shirt vs without.
One top guy is Scott Mendelson who can bench  a bit over 700 raw but can do a good 200 lbs more with the shirt. Therefor we can conclude a really top guy can expect 20-25% more wt in the shirt.
I would be interested in what is the actual size difference on drugs vs natural.
My guess would be it might be ablout the same as the infamous bench shirts of today, a good 20-25%.
Take Ronnie who competes at 270-280 range in most shows now. He was natural enough to pass the drug test twice to win the hvy wt IFBB Universe in 1991 at a little over 210. With another decade of training with his awesome genetics he could be 220-225 lbs drug free, a difference of 50 lbs aprox. This is aprox the 20-25% extra a bench shirt gives to a powerlifter. Look at the top hvy wts at the Team U, like Skip Lacour, they weigh a good 50 lbs less than Guys like Ronnie or Jay.
I think this estimate is reasonable, what do you think?



so are you saying the the top powerlifters   off gear and without a bench shirt can't break 500?  lol

shit i did 350 clean in high school   natural
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« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2005, 10:32:28 PM »


so are you saying the the top powerlifters   off gear and without a bench shirt can't break 500?  lol

shit i did 350 clean in high school   natural

  Yeah, but there aren't many 35 year-old high-schoolers. Grin You're comparing yourself to kiddies... Wink

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« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2005, 12:06:25 AM »

-32.88% EXACTLY


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« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2005, 12:21:50 AM »

  What is this argument about, exactly? Huh I seem to have missed the boat...

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« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2005, 03:32:06 AM »

wtf are you posting on a message board for?Huh Discussing bodybuilding related shit is the point of the whole board c*nt  knocker



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LISTEN HERE LITTLE homo PUNK BITCH. I LOVE DISCUSSING BODYBUILDING ISSUES, HOWEVER, ARGUING OVER  %'S WITH STEROID INVOLVEMENT WITH LIFTING IS POINTLESS, UNLESS YOU YOURSELF ARE ON THE SHIT AND WONDER YOURSELF WHAT A SAGGY, WEAK, PUSSY YOU WOULD BE WITH OUT IT. PUNK!!! END OF STORY!!
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« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2005, 03:40:55 AM »

LISTEN HERE LITTLE homo PUNK BITCH. I LOVE DISCUSSING BODYBUILDING ISSUES, HOWEVER, ARGUING OVER  %'S WITH STEROID INVOLVEMENT WITH LIFTING IS POINTLESS, UNLESS YOU YOURSELF ARE ON THE SHIT AND WONDER YOURSELF WHAT A SAGGY, WEAK, PUSSY YOU WOULD BE WITH OUT IT. PUNK!!! END OF STORY!!

 HA HA HA! Take it easy, bro...if you're gonna get upset at all the bullshit said here, you should request a prescription for Lipitor from your doctor right now. Wink

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« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2005, 03:43:06 AM »

HA HA HA! Take it easy, bro...if you're gonna get upset at all the bullshit said here, you should request a prescription for Lipitor from your doctor right now. Wink

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« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2005, 04:37:36 AM »

I'M ALL READY ON IT.


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  Dude, I was nice to ya... Angry You'll start making many enemies on this board, cun t.

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« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2005, 05:01:06 AM »

  Dude, I was nice to ya... Angry You'll start making many enemies on this board, cun t.

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« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2005, 05:07:13 AM »

DON'T BE NICE TO ME BITCH. I ALREADY HAVE ENEMIES. YOU THINK A FEW MORE IS GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING. NUGGA PLEASE. LISTEN QUEFF, JUST IGNORE MY POSTS. I'LL KEEP ON POSTING WHAT I FEEL, AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT. YOU CAN F...U...C...K... OFF C...U...N...T KNOCKER!!! BRING IT ON WITH ANOTHER RESPONSE TO THIS MR TUFF GUY SUCKMYMUSCLE. Grin Grin Grin

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  Cry  Nah, you're too easy. No wit...no intelligence Roll Eyes. All you do is blurt out insults, something a crack-baby can do-something which is probably true in your case, anyway. Your momma was probably the kind of cun t who would suck a dozen duds, for a single rock. Hey, you were fed man-milk while in the womb. All the testosterone you received, from all that spooge, probably explains your violent personality Grin.I will let you embarass yourself(you won't stay here for long). Wink

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« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2005, 06:22:31 AM »

A good analogy on this issue is bench pressing with high tech bench shirt vs without.
One top guy is Scott Mendelson who can bench  a bit over 700 raw but can do a good 200 lbs more with the shirt. Therefor we can conclude a really top guy can expect 20-25% more wt in the shirt.
I would be interested in what is the actual size difference on drugs vs natural.
My guess would be it might be ablout the same as the infamous bench shirts of today, a good 20-25%.
Take Ronnie who competes at 270-280 range in most shows now. He was natural enough to pass the drug test twice to win the hvy wt IFBB Universe in 1991 at a little over 210. With another decade of training with his awesome genetics he could be 220-225 lbs drug free, a difference of 50 lbs aprox. This is aprox the 20-25% extra a bench shirt gives to a powerlifter. Look at the top hvy wts at the Team U, like Skip Lacour, they weigh a good 50 lbs less than Guys like Ronnie or Jay.
I think this estimate is reasonable, what do you think?

The current world champion is 5ft6 and about 175-180
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« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2005, 12:05:32 PM »

  Cry  Nah, you're too easy. No wit...no intelligence Roll Eyes. All you do is blurt out insults, something a crack-baby can do-something which is probably true in your case, anyway. Your momma was probably the kind of cun t who would suck a dozen duds, for a single rock. Hey, you were fed man-milk while in the womb. All the testosterone you received, from all that spooge, probably explains your violent personality Grin.I will let you embarass yourself(you won't stay here for long). Wink

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OH DARN, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOUR INSULTS ARE WAY MORE WITTY AND INTELLIGENT THAN MINE. ESPECIALLY HOW YOU PUT CUTE LITTLE FACES AFTER EVERY WELL THOUGHT OUT STATEMENT. JUST GET BACK TO CLEANING THE MAGGOTS OFF THE FLOOR THAT FELL OUT OF YO MOMMAS SNATCH AFTER TYREL SHOT UP INSIDE HER. REMEMBER, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT MADE THIS PERSONAL.   
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« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2005, 12:24:13 PM »

OH DARN, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOUR INSULTS ARE WAY MORE WITTY AND INTELLIGENT THAN MINE. ESPECIALLY HOW YOU PUT CUTE LITTLE FACES AFTER EVERY WELL THOUGHT OUT STATEMENT. JUST GET BACK TO CLEANING THE MAGGOTS OFF THE FLOOR THAT FELL OUT OF YO MOMMAS SNATCH AFTER TYREL SHOT UP INSIDE HER. REMEMBER, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT MADE THIS PERSONAL.   

  Nah, I used the momma line first. Has all that crack your momma smocked, while carrying her calf, brain-damaged you to the point you can't do any better than copy-cat a reply? By the way, why did you mention Tyrel? It brings you childhood memories, huh Cry? After all, practically every guy, in the ghetto, is named tyrell. I can imagine you, at the age of six, looking at your cun t, HIV-infected momma laying with her legs spread in the bed, with a bunch of Tyrels standing in line to pork her cum-dripping oyster. As every guy finishes off, your momma yells:"Next! Tyrel 2! Next! Tyrel 3!". All that for a single rock of crack! What a cheap cun t! Grin

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« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2005, 12:40:43 PM »

  Nah, I used the momma line first. Has all that crack your momma smocked, while carrying her calf, brain-damaged you to the point you can't do any better than copy-cat a reply? By the way, why did you mention Tyrel? It brings you childhood memories, huh Cry? After all, practically every guy, in the ghetto, is named tyrell. I can imagine you, at the age of six, looking at your cun t, HIV-infected momma laying with her legs spread in the bed, with a bunch of Tyrels standing in line to pork her cum-dripping oyster. As every guy finishes off, your momma yells:"Next! Tyrel 2! Next! Tyrel 3!". All that for a single rock of crack! What a cheap cun t! Grin

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AND I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT BE A DECENT WHITE BOY AFTER READING SOME OF YOUR POSTS. WHAT A BAD JUDGE OF CHARACTER I AM. YOU HAVE A MOUTH JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER DEGENERATE N...I...G...G...E...R... .NO MATTER WHAT YOU POST, YOU'RE STILL A PUNK ASS BITCH RACE TRADER. YOU SHOULD GO ON A BLACK COMEDY SHOW WITH YOUR MOMMA JOKES.

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« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2008, 08:21:36 AM »




gayer than Howie contemplating
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« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2008, 09:37:00 AM »

Gayer than wondering how much size a man can gain from an unpumped state to fully pumped by looking at pictures of him in a tight thong.
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« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2008, 09:38:13 AM »

Gayer than felching your dog
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« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2008, 09:43:03 AM »

A good analogy on this issue is bench pressing with high tech bench shirt vs without.
One top guy is Scott Mendelson who can bench  a bit over 700 raw but can do a good 200 lbs more with the shirt. Therefor we can conclude a really top guy can expect 20-25% more wt in the shirt.
I would be interested in what is the actual size difference on drugs vs natural.
My guess would be it might be ablout the same as the infamous bench shirts of today, a good 20-25%.
Take Ronnie who competes at 270-280 range in most shows now. He was natural enough to pass the drug test twice to win the hvy wt IFBB Universe in 1991 at a little over 210. With another decade of training with his awesome genetics he could be 220-225 lbs drug free, a difference of 50 lbs aprox. This is aprox the 20-25% extra a bench shirt gives to a powerlifter. Look at the top hvy wts at the Team U, like Skip Lacour, they weigh a good 50 lbs less than Guys like Ronnie or Jay.
I think this estimate is reasonable, what do you think?


It's not only size. Also conditioning and a very mature and dense look.

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« Reply #46 on: July 11, 2008, 09:47:13 AM »

its irrelevant. sure, without the drugs the pros would be 190 on stage.  but, WITH the drugs, but without the diet training and cardio... the drug free version would kick the drug versions ass. you still have to train eat and do cardio !!
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« Reply #47 on: July 11, 2008, 09:49:07 AM »

  Nah, I used the momma line first. Has all that crack your momma smocked, while carrying her calf, brain-damaged you to the point you can't do any better than copy-cat a reply? By the way, why did you mention Tyrel? It brings you childhood memories, huh Cry? After all, practically every guy, in the ghetto, is named tyrell. I can imagine you, at the age of six, looking at your cun t, HIV-infected momma laying with her legs spread in the bed, with a bunch of Tyrels standing in line to pork her cum-dripping oyster. As every guy finishes off, your momma yells:"Next! Tyrel 2! Next! Tyrel 3!". All that for a single rock of crack! What a cheap cun t! Grin

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« Reply #48 on: July 11, 2008, 10:14:13 AM »

Take Ronnie who competes at 270-280 range in most shows now. He was natural enough to pass the drug test twice to win the hvy wt IFBB Universe in 1991 at a little over 210.

The IFBB World championships were not drug tested in 1991.  But then again, they're drug tested now, yet no one believes the winners are lifetime drug free.

Comparing Ronnie then and now is really comparing steroids vs steroids and gh and insulin.

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With another decade of training with his awesome genetics he could be 220-225 lbs drug free, a difference of 50 lbs aprox. This is aprox the 20-25% extra a bench shirt gives to a powerlifter. Look at the top hvy wts at the Team U, like Skip Lacour, they weigh a good 50 lbs less than Guys like Ronnie or Jay.
I think this estimate is reasonable, what do you think?

again Team U is not a good example.  WNBF might be a better choice.
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« Reply #49 on: July 11, 2008, 10:43:48 AM »

DON'T BE NICE TO ME BITCH. I ALREADY HAVE ENEMIES. YOU THINK A FEW MORE IS GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING. NUGGA PLEASE. LISTEN QUEFF, JUST IGNORE MY POSTS. I'LL KEEP ON POSTING WHAT I FEEL, AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT. YOU CAN F...U...C...K... OFF C...U...N...T KNOCKER!!! BRING IT ON WITH ANOTHER RESPONSE TO THIS MR TUFF GUY SUCKMYMUSCLE. Grin Grin Grin

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