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[TEH boob]

The wiki link? Oh brother. 

Quit bringing up steroids....that had nothing to do with the question.

And it has nothing to do with UJ ffs. 

You could buy The Biology of Human Starvation, which is two volumes and ~1500pgs, but reading about it online will save you time and $150. You don't have to read about it on Wikipedia

[Cleanest Natural]

The guy in the above picture is 6% at most

[falco]

Drinking pharmaceutical destlated water will make you piss more than you will drink. It will drain salt and water from your body.

Try for a few days.

[Icelord]

The guy in the above picture is 6% at most

nah
this s 6%

[ProudVirgin69]

You could buy The Biology of Human Starvation, which is two volumes and ~1500pgs, but reading about it online will save you time and $150. You don't have to read about it on Wikipedia

Yes, BikiniSlut is quick to tell others to research her claims but she scoffs at the notion of doing this herself

[smoothasf]

UJ already told you your 12-14% in your leanest picture.  You are stupid if you water fast and train absolutely, you can fuck your body up for months in a single day if you dehydrate.  Eat clean and take that God Damn test. 250mgs every 3rd or 4thday.  Your dieting will be totally different in results to natural.

[smoothasf]

That's 16-18

[Icelord]

yeah you're 14-15%
there's no question about it
when you sit down, you have a small fold over your waistband
for 10-11%, your stomach is basically hard, it just isn't defined
but you're so close
just dont overdiet because you'll shrink more but won't look leaner
just IMO, based on doing the same fucking thing you're doing
at the same level of body fat %
it's time to crank up the calories and lift heavier
and keep the cardio stable

[Icelord]

also the fold of fat between your bicep insertion and elbow crease, dead giveaway
no one at 10 has that, that I've met

[BikiniSlut]

Yes, BikiniSlut is quick to tell others to research her claims but she scoffs at the notion of doing this herself

I've said this a million fucking times......you can find your peer reviewed research and find arguments for both...but I tend to go by what has the most substantial claims. ALWAYS.

Then people start posting link after link after link after link oh brother.  

I hate getting into these type of debates.......I guarantee I've done more research in general than any member of this board....this is my life up until I start my new position.

I don't google something and believe what I read.  

I disagree with you.....accept it.

However everything is moot as UJ isn't going to listen to anyone but himself.....why I keep responding in one of his threads I don't know. That is my stupidity.

AND......and since the Boob has the biology of human starvation and can check this out.....you will see that the book will show when and how muscle and fat burn. Everything I said IS IN THAT BOOK!!

So why you guys used that book as an example I don't know because it gets into both of our arguments in detail.

Boobie.....you have it.....you should know this.

And TEH Boob is a girl you guys.

[Icelord]

This was last summer pic, but I know when I lose water I can look like this within 2 weeks max from right now.

I got much tighter than this picture last summer but I lost muscle and ended up skinny ripped

that's 12%
because the angle and lighting favor your abs
in a brightly lit hotel room, for instance
it would look a sharp 13
but like I said, you're almost there

[BikiniSlut]

He looks between 15 to 18 % in my opinion.

[Europe]

Not true in my opinion that "muscle is the last thing your body goes for", I think that might true about muscle of vital organs like heart, liver, kidney etc but not muscle mass in other body areas which clearly your body doesn't need.

In my experience first thing that goes is water, then muscle then fat.

Off course I am natty so have to take that into account.

In fact I know from doing this a million times that anything less than 12% BF I will lose approximately 3lbs of muscle for every 1lb of fat.

This is fact as far as my body is concerned.

I have done water fasting 11 days and lost mostly water, fat but very little muscle..
Water fast is meant to be a healing process not a weight-loss program.
I have seen people who waterfasted 21 days, 28 days.. they lost very little muscle but mostly fat.
Now if you want disprove me by starving go ahead, I'm just helping.
Some reports on healing process are:
Bad skin conditions
Auto-immune diseases

There are probably more diseases water fasting helps reduce or cure but I did it mainly for my vitiligo & asthma which cured it totally. Water fasting helps the body to recover from stress, masturbation(yes!), detoxification, improves skeletal and muscular systems, etc, etc..(google it).

[smoothasf]

14-15% there your muscle wastes away when you get skinny badly, you do something wrong, I look heavier when I get leaner to a certain degree.  Your chest goes like a deflated balloon

[Icelord]

right pic is 10% imo
hard middle core, clearly can only pinch the fat
but no clearly separated abs

[Icelord]

No bro its just water, because I know how much crazy water I hold and my waist is same measurement in both pics.

I keep telling every body I am extremely insulin sensitive, carbs instantly make me fat and hold water not joke.

Only 3 days difference from the carb up pic to the depleted one.

 

No doubt water can make a difference between looking smooth and having some visible definition
but you don't have that "hard" torso in any of these pics
nothing wrong with that, 99% of people dont
but you haven't made the breakthrough to the promised land of the hardbodied who've torched their visceral and subcutaneous fat to trace levels
and I dont feel doing even more cardio will get you there
more muscle, however, will

[Simple Simon]

No bro its just water, because I know how much crazy water I hold and my waist is same measurement in both pics.

I keep telling every body I am extremely insulin sensitive, carbs instantly make me fat and hold water not joke.

Only 3 days difference from the carb up pic to the depleted one.

 

Uncle junior the self styled expert of getbig.

[Icelord]

guy like this can gain 5-10lbs of fat, and his waist would still be tight as a drum
he has the galeniko process done
you're still struggling with your baby fat, that we're all born with
that's the hardest battle
the first time you've been ripped is insanely torturous
after that, being lean is a joke

[TEH boob]

I've said this a million fucking times......you can find your peer reviewed research and find arguments for both...but I tend to go by what has the most substantial claims. ALWAYS.

Then people start posting link after link after link after link oh brother.  

I hate getting into these type of debates.......I guarantee I've done more research in general than any member of this board....this is my life up until I start my new position.

I don't google something and believe what I read.  

I disagree with you.....accept it.

However everything is moot as UJ isn't going to listen to anyone but himself.....why I keep responding in one of his threads I don't know. That is my stupidity.

AND......and since the Boob has the biology of human starvation and can check this out.....you will see that the book will show when and how muscle and fat burn. Everything I said IS IN THAT BOOK!!

So why you guys used that book as an example I don't know because it gets into both of our arguments in detail.

Boobie.....you have it.....you should know this.

And TEH Boob is a girl you guys.

From what I've read, you lose nearly all fat up until ~4%bf is reached. Then you lose muscle (based on the people studied, drugs will influence things). But if we are talking about most people, they're not going to have to worry about muscle loss.

[TEH boob]

He looks between 15 to 18 % in my opinion.

I think so, too

[BikiniSlut]

I think so, too

How did you get the pink gender sign under your avatar? I want one too. 

[Icelord]

How did you get the pink gender sign under your avatar? I want one too. 

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[BAST]

the body uses protein for muscle repair, hair growth, and a lot of other things.  Of course he'll lose muscle tissue since he's not getting the protein externally.

concentration camp victims didn't first get shredded  without muscle loss when they were being starved; they first lost glycogen then a combination of fat and muscle at the same time.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Most people's problems start with the intestines and the gut. Yeast buildup being a main source of problems for a lot of people. More people have the H.Pylori bacteria then the CDC and doctors want to admit. I've heard of people being tested for H.Pylori 3 different ways and all test coming up negative but in the end they did in fact have an over growth of this bacteria which caused many types of stomach problems. $10s of thousands of dollars of tests and doctor visits in America only to get negative tests and other tests run which in the end just made money for the hospitals and doctors. Water fasts with probiotic supplementation is one way to naturally battle stomach problems...

[Icelord]

This is what happens when I do very low cal diet, lots of cardio, just end up skinny fat.

Again this was last summer.

I yo yo'd like this billions of times changing calories/carbs etc, nothing ever changes, doesn't matter what I do.

Always look like shit.

Only time I looked really fucking good (for me at my best was when I was taking 1mg Arimidex daily but it killed my sex drive completely)

It's all drugs man, everything else is pretty much bullshit

The point you reached in these two pics is the point most people call it a day. Because it seems no matter how much you work out after that point, you don't look leaner. It's like your body makes an overnight decision that enough fat's been lost, and now only water and muscle shall go.

I get it.

And with drugs, you wouldn't have to worry because your blocky muscles would be forcing themselves to the surface of your skin, and frying your fat in the process.

So what to do?

My response is this: Cycle the carbs. Go 3 days with less than 50 carbs, then 1 day with 200. Then drop to 100-150 the other 3. Rinse, repeat.

Cardio: 35 minutes on an empty stomach in the morning, INTERVALS

Lift weights in the noon. Have a BIG postworkout shake with carbs (powder or food) and protein, obviously.

And in the evening, another 35 mins of interval cardio.

5-6x a week.

Sound tough?

You bet your arse it is. But it WORKS. It worked for me. And I have your metabolism/body type, just more muscle. You'll have a flat, hard stomach in 3-4 weeks.