Come on, Wolfox. Just let it go. We understand you are skilled at debating. I started the thread and I asked if anyone had actually used and grew using 250mgs of test a week. No disrespect to you sir, but you have as much practical experience as I do. And that is none. I read the same study you posted on several boards (promuscle, anasci, elitefitness, steroidology, ironmagazine, etc...)for the past 3-4 years. I appreciate all your input, but lets hear from the guys that have actually walked the walk.