Steroid Myths #1... all u gotta do is take more and you'll be a freak.

[Shockwave]

I believe your original point in this thread was regardless of how high your dose you wont make gains unless you chuck in the calories.

Thats been countered and evidence has been provided by the arguer.

You are still under some misconception that you need excessive calories to grow whilst taking large amounts of steroids.

So, lets have a discussion
What is your muscle built from?
Protein
How much protein do you need?
Debatable so lets say 1 gm per lb
So a 200lb man needs 200gms of protein that equates to 800 cals

So tell me, what shall I eat to make up the remaining x amount of cals and why do I need it?

Guess you have to know how many calories your body burns as fuel just to maintain, and then factor slightly more than that to build. Thats what makes sense to me.

[Simple Simon]

Guess you have to know how many calories your body burns as fuel just to maintain, and then factor slightly more than that to build. Thats what makes sense to me.

That will maybe take you a week to work out then you're set.

[D.O.U.P]

28 years training and 26years using steroids... and you're still making better "gains" than me? lol wow buddy... you must be like 600lbs! why don't you get on stage?? at 48, you're surely a shoe-in for Masters Olympia.. I'm sure if Mr Manion & Dr Santonja see you, they'll surely fast-track you for your pro card.

let alone, you're 48 on an internet message board acting like a 15 yr old pot head. lol... pretty fucking embarrassing. $9 says you watch Bevis and Butthead reruns at least 4x a week.

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HEY HEY, Beavis and Butthead is GENIUS

[XFACTOR]

You are going to have to post a photo of you looking considerably better than this if you want people to take you seriously.
You have NEVER been bigger than that, I have seen all your pictures remember

Jesus Christ, major ouch!!  A picture is worth a thousand posts

[Simple Simon]

Jesus Christ, major ouch!!  A picture is worth a thousand posts

Amazing what 6gms of gear a week can do for you isn't it?

[anabolichalo]

Amazing what 6gms of gear a week can do for you isn't it?

really grainy look to him

would blow up 40lbs of lean size after some refeeds

[goomba420]

ROFL




I called out this asshole months ago, acting as though he was the next 'big thing' on GB.

ESFitness - dude refuses to post up any photos but acts like he's fucking ronnie coleman; reality is that he is an armchair drug enthusiast that tells people to shoot insulin and pretends he is 'in the know.' I haven't seen anybody that boasts about notoriety, activity on older boards, and drug usage more than that fucking ass-clown, like he's trying to impress the board. you're so god damned big and bad, so why don't you show us how you look, ESF?

having a just-filtered 20cc bottle of 150mg/ml tren fall out of my bag and shattered on the sidewalk right in front of the storefront police station that was next door to my supplement store and having two cops walk out as i'm standing there looking at it in disbelief   shitty way to start that morning.

or..

getting off the trolley from Tijuana after smuggling my first 'cycle' of test amp's and realizing I don't know where to buy syringes... and walking around downtown san diego for Rite-Aides that carried syringes. I was 16.

or...

getting busted at the border a week later with a bottle of Clomid (the old pink skittles) and 15 3cc 21ga pins in my back pockets and playing dumb with customs "uh, I found them on the ground... figured they shouldn't go to waste...my pockets were full, that's why I put the clomid in my underware

or.....

getting robbed at gunpoint in a Tijuana restroom by a security guard after he caught me loading a syringe 2 months later. cop "we go to jail". me "ok, lets go. i'm only 17 you can't  arrest me.. they're just gonna bring me back to the border. now get that gun out of my face before I beat you with it"... then with my pants around my knees he searches my wallet for my ID (which he couldn't read) and takes $20. and he gave me back my syringe and the unopened amp of Sten (there were two in a box.. fucker tossed the one I was loading)

or........
picking up Klonopin for a friend one Friday night while in Tijuana for some Deca redi-jects and deciding to take a couple (2mg ea), after a margarita (I never drank), I didn't feel anything so I took a couple more (total of 8mg), next thing I know i'm sitting in a strip club with a stripper waving her hands in my face asking if i'm ok.. with a full bottle of warm Dos Equis on the table... then walking back to the border at 1am from Revolution and having no recollection of how I drove home or parralle parked my car at the end of the cul-de-sac the next morning..... then relaying the story to the guy I smuggled them for and him shitting a brick when I said I took 4-6 tabs plus a couple margaritas and a couple shots (I only had hundreds and the bar didn't want to break one for one drink. lol.. so I had a few and left a nice tip)..... what a mess.

or.......

doing a shot in my delt at the counter of the pharmacy and pulling out the needle right in front of an elderly couple buying Viagra and cholesterol meds, and having blood shoot out like a garden hose and me realizing i'd put an 18ga in my delt... and the horrified look on their faces when I laughed.

Damn, ES, all that trouble to look a little better than an 18 year old african american college athlete?

remember.. you shoot too much insulin, your blood sugar drops so you eat a bunch of carbs and your bloodsugar rises, so your body releases MORE insulin.

when hypo hits, don't panic. eat a little carbs. (you should have protein in your stomach before you even do the injection of slin)... if you don't eat enough carbs, your body will make up the difference by releasing sugar from your liver (made from those BCAA's you all should be taking with your insulin   )

you shouldn't feel 2iu.

even if you take 2iu on an empty stomach, your body will produce whatever sugar it needs to maintain a bs of about 80.

don't eat the carbs RIGHT when you shoot it either..

10am you do a 10iu shot and eat 100g carbs.
10:10am your bloodsugar is spiked in the 110/115
10:20 your body releases insulin
10:30am your bloodsugar drops to 85/90 from the huge amt of insulin
10:35am, that 10iu shot of insulin you did 35mins ago is kicking in and your bloodsugar is plummeting into the 60's and youre sweating and shaking and feel high and your heart is pounding and you're dizzy.
10:36am you eat more carbs to 'level out'
10:46am you feel stuffed, and tired, from the amount of food you just ate.. and you're cursing insulin for almost "killing you/putting you in a coma'
10:56am you're fucking fat, and you can't figure out why.

does everything it (and hgh) is supposed to.

running 150-200mcg/day now... when I remember to do the shots. lol.. which is 4-5 days a week (in the morning or just before bed, in 1 shot)

thin skin. full muscle bellies. crazy vascularity, esp in the legs.

I love igf1 DES. training back for example, i'd put 100mcg in the lats, 100mcg in the teres, and 100mcg in the traps (100mcg each side), for arms 100mcg in the bicep, 50mcg in the brach, 50mcg in the lateral head , 100mcg in the long head, and 25mcg or so in the top of the forearm, quads i'd just pick one head and put 150mcg in. chest is just 150mcg.

if I could get a better price, i'd double those doses.

[Simple Simon]

[no one]

I believe your original point in this thread was regardless of how high your dose you wont make gains unless you chuck in the calories.

Thats been countered and evidence has been provided by the arguer.

You are still under some misconception that you need excessive calories to grow whilst taking large amounts of steroids.

So, lets have a discussion
What is your muscle built from?
Protein
How much protein do you need?
Debatable so lets say 1 gm per lb
So a 200lb man needs 200gms of protein that equates to 800 cals

So tell me, what shall I eat to make up the remaining x amount of cals and why do I need it?

curious to hear the op's thoughts on this as well.

now before we go further, i believe the more gh you use and the more anabolics you use, the more protein you'll need. so if your running 6g a of gear, 200g proetin aint gonna cut it. you might need 400. at the top end. thats 1600 cals. are you really that active that you need 3400-4400 more cals from fuel sources above this?

secondly, what do you need 6g of gear for. can you answer this for me. why are YOU specifically on 6g of gear for. the fact you look nothing other than the average gym rat doesnt lend a lot of credence to your more is better theory.

a third point- you say every possible pic of you that has been found online with you posing has been while on very low dose. why anyone takes pics of themselves at their worst to put on a social media is beyond me, but i digress. does it not further go to demonstrate that your high dose regimen isnt building quality muscle for you shrivel up from the massive beast you say you are today to the emaciated person your posing as in the pics we saw?

which brings us to my fourth point- you keep saying you are 'purple and swollen'. does plying your body with compounds it clearly doesnt need sound like a healthy, reasonable and effective way of gaining lean tissue? you do realise the majority of pros who are swollen and purple have passed on in recent years such as don youngblood.

and finally, i dont care if i ever see a pic of this beastly transformation you say you are undergoing at the moment- i say undergoing at the moment cause you have never held the kind of size you claim to -ever- in your life. so odd that the online community is flooded with pics of you at your worst, and not one of the beatsly 6g monster you represent your posts represent yourself out to be. so my question is where THE FUCK do you get off telling people to use 6g of gear and 60iu of insulin when it hasnt done jack fucking shit for you?i'll tell you why. cause it makes you sound like a monster. and clearly its a monster that doesnt exist, and never has.

and while im at it,  does it not strike you as odd that you have admitted the pics we have seen are of you, and that you talk openly about being a source on here, but wont post a recent pic cause of fear of being 'found out'? lol you ARE found out bro. let me guess-but the pic ties you to the acct whereas the posts can be anyones right? whos to say the person didnt steal pics of you to post. sounds like your trying to pull the wool over the eyes of people who are somewhat more intellectual than you'd like to believe. yes, you dont want your friends to see you that big- they see you everyday bro it shouldnt be a big fucking shock to them should a pic of you arise. lol

your 'no pic' excuse is fantasical bullshit that cannot be refuted logically. i await the rebuttal of the rest of fantastical bullshit that i have quired about.

[no one]

ROFL




I called out this asshole months ago, acting as though he was the next 'big thing' on GB.


Damn, ES, all that trouble to look a little better than an 18 year old african american college athlete?

nice catch.

[Mawse]

Lol, he even has this picture advertising his website


Would have more impact if you used your own

lol I actually know that guy, that's Eli.


I'm sure he will post his own pics but you have to remember that every time esf gets near to someone holding a camera, he's bitten by a spider, falls and cracks his sternum, has to go to jail or just gets sick and loses 35lbs of lean muscle.

I can understand his reluctance to risk that again, all that massive purple bulk didn't come cheap.

Lol at wolfcocks (who I'm now convinced is another Shitstain gimmick ) being impressed with scar tissue delts

[Simple Simon]

lol I actually know that guy, that's Eli.


I'm sure he will post his own pics but you have to remember that every time esf gets near to someone holding a camera, he's bitten by a spider, falls and cracks his sternum, has to go to jail or just gets sick and loses 35lbs of lean muscle.

I can understand his reluctance to risk that again, all that massive purple bulk didn't come cheap.

Lol at wolfcocks (who I'm now convinced is another Shitstain gimmick ) being impressed with scar tissue delts

Lol at the bolded section.

[Simple Simon]

These pics cannot be of the OP. The person in the pics has no visible scars and there's no way someone who stitched themself up with guitar string in prison did so without leaving a mark.

He stitched up his vagina.

[goomba420]

These pics cannot be of the OP. The person in the pics has no visible scars and there's no way someone who stitched themself up with guitar string in prison did so without leaving a mark.

They are him. I've found his website, but edited out the face for privacy. I'd like to stress that ES doesn't look bad, however, for the amount of talk and 'knowledge' he seems to grace this forum with, I, and the rest of this forum were expecting a 260lb IFBB monster. The physique pictured is NOT consistent with his claims of eating 800g of fucking carbs every day, his 'purple and veins bursting' image, or any other outlandish stories of his. It's an average gymgoer physique.

To quote the idiot,

I have friends and family on my fb, do you really think I'm gonna post pics big and purple with veins everywhere?

Just tell them that you're natural. They'll believe it.

 Y'know, ESF, there are many ways you could have proved yourself to GB. A photo of your bicep with your name written on a paper somewhere, or maybe a quad shot. Anything. No face. Nobody will identify you based on a photo of your bicep. Instead, you're full of shit and have to resort to excuses, and then this happens - a brutal outing. Good going, brah.

[Simple Simon]

Y'know, ESF, there are many ways you could have proved yourself to GB. A photo of your bicep with your name written on a paper somewhere, or maybe a quad shot. Anything. No face. Nobody will identify you based on a photo of your bicep. Instead, you're full of shit and have to resort to excuses, and then this happens - a brutal outing. Good going, brah.

I think thats understating it slightly.

Guy has been totally chewed up and spat out.

[anabolichalo]

so that's it for ESF

time to make a new gimmick, stud

[anabolichalo]

Wow. For a guy who openly discussed being an ex-convict, steroid dealer (among other things), he's pretty sloppy.

being sloppy is what made him a convict

[Wolfox]

dogs of war = grown men with complete lack of social skills.

just like high school... when you had the pot heads who'd sit around at lunch, by themselves and make fun of other kids and giggle and laugh, thinking they were too cool for school... but everybody else was laughing at them, not with them.

most of us just went on our way, because at the end of the day, people like simple simon and the like, are just wastes of space and air.

you don't like with what I say? you dont' agree with what I say?

that's fine... you have a couple choices.. a few actually. you can

1-don't follow it
2-post a counter-argument and have a discussion
3-ignore it and move one

I'd prefer #2, since this is a discussion board.. not a 'I'm bigger than you' pissing match.... but it seems the majority of ppl are unable to pose a valid counter-point, so they resort to what a child would do. "my daddy's bigger than your daddy" "you're a doody head" -type responses.

typical.

threads like this are the very reason getbig has always been a joke... endless flaming and trolling.

it's what anabolex and UG used to be. but while other boards have matured and become more legitimate and eliminated trolls, getbig remains in 1998 despite changing forums, applying for 'membership', and adding moderators.

and you people wonder why no more 'pros' post here. lol.

clueless.

Pretty much spot on.

 

[Simple Simon]

Pretty much spot on.

 

Trust you to miss the point.

[Alpine]

Don't believe anything these people are telling you. The secret to real, ultimate glory is 1 gram a week of each Test & Tren, Adrol, Slin and 8iu of pharm grade GH. Like GH15 said, you're only as big as your dose, Brozos. UP THA DOSE!

[Simple Simon]

Like GH15 said, you're only as big as your dose, Brozos. UP THA DOSE!

This thread clearly debunks that myth.

[Alpine]

This thread clearly debunks that myth.

No Simon, I've clearly debunked your existence. It's a well known fact you can never go wrong with more gear. In fact, magical things happen beyond the 1g mark. It's well documented in the literature.

[Mawse]

Trust you to miss the point.

Wolfcocks is trying to make friends with the retarded kid everyone else is picking on in the hope someone will like him.

I imagine he's been doing that since he was 5 years old.



Maybe Uncle Loony can paypal ESF to make a flexing video?

[Simple Simon]

No Simon, I've clearly debunked your existence.

Now whos gimmick are you?
Huge posting gaps of peace.

[Alpine]

Now whos gimmick are you?
Huge posting gaps of peace.

I got a law degree, made some megabucks, divorced my wife and now I'm fucking back to jack off during work hours and HAUNT BROs UNTIL THE END OF TIME. No Gimmicks here.