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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #101 on: June 25, 2014, 04:07:37 PM »
Let's review

the IRS must determine whether a group qualifies for 501c4 Status

the IRS gave extra scrutiny to both Democratic and Republican groups

the IRS did not deny status to any Republican groups but did deny status to Democratic groups (sidebar - they should have denied to status to ALL political groups who did not meet the actual standards of a 501c4)

I already said this on page 1 of this thread

Point 1 is false....democrat groups did not get the same type or level scrutiny "tea party" groups did.

http://oversight.house.gov/release/new-oversight-report-debunks-myth-liberal-groups-targeted-irs/

Point 2 is irrelevant...you don't have to deny the application to show bias...in fact it's a smarter tactic to do what the IRS did.  If you say "no" you have to cite a reason for doing so and respond to an appeal.  If you follow the IRS playbook and drag the process out for months or years, the groups in question stay on the sidelines and yo don't have to answer for anything unless you're somehow caught. (then you just destroy the evidence and shrug).  That was the goal from the outset, keep these groups from having a level playing field.  They succeeded in doing so...


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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #102 on: June 25, 2014, 04:32:36 PM »


feel free to post ANYTHING supporting your claims

Also feel free to actually address the fact that the law says that 501c4 must be "operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare" and and a rule redefined it (I didn't know the IRS could change laws) to it is "primarily engaged in promoting in some way the common good"....which is why the IRS was looking at political groups in the first place

The IRS was not violating any law by giving any group it deemed necessary more scrutiny




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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #103 on: June 25, 2014, 04:44:37 PM »
I did...the oversight committee found your claim of equal scrutiny to be false and I provided a link to a news article that substantiates it.  As tot he rest of the story...go back and review the volumes of testimony from citizens who testified under oath before Congress.  Their stories..unlike the IRS's are amazingly consistent.

Leaving aside the obvious issues of an equal application of the law and the issues surrounding a coordination of government agencies to prevent people from exercising ther right to free speech on a level playing field.    If there's no concern over legality/illegality...why has Lois Lerner plead the 5th?

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #104 on: June 25, 2014, 04:57:36 PM »
I did...the oversight committee found your claim of equal scrutiny to be false and I provided a link to a news article that substantiates it.  As tot he rest of the story...go back and review the volumes of testimony from citizens who testified under oath before Congress.  Their stories..unlike the IRS's are amazingly consistent.

Leaving aside the obvious issues of an equal application of the law and the issues surrounding a coordination of government agencies to prevent people from exercising ther right to free speech on a level playing field.    If there's no concern over legality/illegality...why has Lois Lerner plead the 5th?

right, the report from Darrell Issa claiming more scrutiny of TeaBag groups yet somehow only Democratic groups wound up getting denied

Here's another source suggesting the claim by Issa is false
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2014/04/23/3429722/irs-records-tea-party/

This has nothing to do with "right to free speech"

It has to do with right to a tax exempt status and contradictions in the law vs. an internal guideline which necessitated the scrutiny in the first place.

No group (Dem or Repub) had their free speech restricted


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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #105 on: June 26, 2014, 02:53:44 AM »
Emails: IRS Official [Lerner] Sought Audit of GOP Senator [Grassley]
ABC News ^ | June 25, 2014 | STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
Posted on June 25, 2014 at 5:07:57 PM EDT by cdga5for4

Edited on June 25, 2014 at 5:12:29 PM EDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Congressional investigators have uncovered emails showing that a former Internal Revenue Service official at the heart of the tea party investigation sought an audit of a Republican senator in December 2012.


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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #106 on: June 26, 2014, 05:59:53 AM »
Tea party groups were flagged for review and that was either inappropriate (per democrats) or illegal (everyone else)


The scrutiny applied to the tea party groups and liberal groups was NOT equal...tea party groups were asked 3-4 times as many follow up questions.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/354850/no-irs-did-not-target-progressives-it-targeted-conservatives-david-french

The IRS did not follow federal law in response to their alleged hard drive "crashes".  They did not follow the law in erasing the back up tapes...they did not attempt to retrieve the emails from the tapes because it would have been "too hard"  (per Snake Koskinen himself).

This was not a few rogue elements....this was a concerted effort carried out at the behest of the fine folks at IRS HQ (at the urging  of congressmen and Senators like Elijah Cummings (who has his own ethics issues in this) ad Chuckie Shumer.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-documents-show-irs-hq-control-tea-party-targeting/


Of course this is an issue of free speech...the people forming this groups have the same rights to educate their communities as liberal groups do...by applying extra layers of bureaucracy and deliberately delaying their ability to form these groups based solely on their POV they were deprived of that right.

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #107 on: June 26, 2014, 06:20:19 AM »
Good ol' Lois wants to audit a US Senator when there's no evidence of wrongdoing.... 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/26/lerner-sought-irs-audit-sitting-gop-senator-emails-show/


Does anyone still doubt that this woman is a politically motivated zealot who had no business being anywhere near a position of authority?


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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #108 on: June 26, 2014, 11:43:25 AM »
Good ol' Lois wants to audit a US Senator when there's no evidence of wrongdoing.... 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/26/lerner-sought-irs-audit-sitting-gop-senator-emails-show/


Does anyone still doubt that this woman is a politically motivated zealot who had no business being anywhere near a position of authority?



It's obvious to anyone who is not a blind ideologue what was going on.

After this whole missing e-mail thing, there's no way any objective person can continue to deny and defend this.

And with the whole "local agents in Cincinnati" thing, the stonewalling, her talking to the AG, the frequent IRS visits to the Whithouse, and the president signaling to his sheep in Congress and the AG office that there was "not a smidgen of corruption", it's quite obvious that this went way up beyond her. Of course they won't ever be able to prove it. Barry's loyal bootlickers will fall on as many knives as they have to to protect him.

All his worshipers can do now is say Bush and others did the same thing, they did worse, even blame Bush, attack those who point out the obvious, etc... or else change the subject entirely. Some even want more money thrown at the IRS.  ::)


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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #109 on: June 28, 2014, 11:11:57 AM »
Lois Lerner?

I fucked her!



That fuckin' whore!   :-X

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #110 on: July 02, 2014, 07:19:04 AM »
Lois Lerner Targeted Chuck Grassley After He Blocked Obama’s DOJ Tax Nominee
Daily Caller ^  | 7-1-2014 | Patrick Howley

Posted on ‎7‎/‎1‎/‎2014‎ ‎11‎:‎32‎:‎18‎ ‎PM by smoothsailing

July 1, 2014



Lois Lerner Targeted Chuck Grassley After He Blocked Obama’s DOJ Tax Nominee

Patrick Howley

Ex-Internal Revenue Service official Lois Lerner tried to audit Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley after Grassley blocked President Obama’s nominee to head the Department of Justice (DOJ) tax division, an executive branch insider told The Daily Caller.

Grassley made it more difficult for the IRS and DOJ to work together to target conservative groups by blocking Obama’s political appointee Mary L. Smith from taking over the DOJ Tax Division, which prosecutes criminal cases for the IRS. Grassley held up the nomination in early 2010, just as Lerner and fellow IRS officials were mapping out their targeting strategy. The White House later withdrew Smith’s nomination.

The source confirmed to The Daily Caller that the White House and IRS officials “were very upset at Senator Grassley and Republicans for blocking a vote on Mary Smith’s nomination.”

The IRS relies on the DOJ Tax Division to prosecute both criminal and civil cases, and has entire legal teams devoted to making DOJ referrals. Placing a political appointee as assistant attorney general for the DOJ Tax Division was a top priority for the Obama White House.

Grassley made sure that no Obama political nominee got confirmed for the post, and kept in a “career,” or non-political, DOJ tax head for another two years.

“The Assistant Attorney General is not the kind of position that you probably would want someone learning on the job,” Grassley said at a Feb. 4, 2010 Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, pointing out Smith’s lack of tax experience.

Lerner’s IRS underling Nikole Flax announced the agency’s new scrutiny of nonprofit groups in February 2010, the very same month that Grassley made his concerns known about Smith. Grassley’s opposition to Smith infuriated top officials at the IRS.

Smith was heavily touted by the administration for her Native American background. Smith worked on President Clinton’s re-election campaign and as Clinton’s Associate Counsel to the President and was a partner at the Chicago law firm Schoeman Updike Kaufman & Scharf when Obama nominated her for the position in 2009.

Grassley remained a thorn in the side of the IRS, scrutinizing the activities of Lerner’s Exempt Organizations division more closely than other lawmakers during Obama’s first term.

Lerner finally tried to drum up a criminal case against Grassley after accidentally receiving some of his mail.

“Perhaps we should refer to exam?” Lerner wrote to colleagues in 2012 after she received an invitation from a group asking Grassley to speak at a December 2012 event and offering to pay Grassley’s wife to attend. Lerner and Grassley were both invited to speak at the same event, hosted by an organization that had its name redacted from released congressional documents. Lerner felt that the group’s offer to pay for Grassley’s wife could be a potential criminal violation.

“We would need to wait for: (i) Grassley to accept and attend the speaking arrangement and (ii) then determine whether [redacted] issues him a 1099,” IRS official Matthew Giuliano replied to Lerner, thinking aloud about the circumstances they would need to make a criminal case against Grassley.

“We have seen a lot of unbelievable things in this investigation, but the fact that Lois Lerner attempted to initiate an apparently baseless IRS examination against a sitting Republican United States Senator is shocking,” said Republican House Ways and Committee chairman Rep. Dave Camp upon the publication of Lerner’s email regarding Grassley.

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #111 on: July 09, 2014, 07:31:55 PM »
.....and today we learn that Lois was warning IRS employees to hide information..

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/9/gop-lerner-warned-irs-employees-hide-information/

Starting to look less likely that she "lost" her emails...

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #112 on: July 10, 2014, 01:55:36 PM »
.....and today we learn that Lois was warning IRS employees to hide information..

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/9/gop-lerner-warned-irs-employees-hide-information/

Starting to look less likely that she "lost" her emails...
every good lawyer, CPA, broker suggests to their clients not to send sensitive info in emails. it's just common sense.
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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #113 on: July 10, 2014, 02:04:26 PM »
every good lawyer, CPA, broker suggests to their clients not to send sensitive info in emails. it's just common sense.

So does every crook.

Too bad she didn't follow the same line of thinking when she sent out that confidential list of private conservative donors.
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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #114 on: July 10, 2014, 03:03:23 PM »
every good lawyer, CPA, broker suggests to their clients not to send sensitive info in emails. it's just common sense.

Riiiiight...they specifically say 'watch what you say in email because it might wind up in the possession of Congress" while they can speak more freely on IM because they aren't stored because it's common sense....if you're breaking the law.

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #115 on: July 10, 2014, 05:28:44 PM »
Good.

Federal judge orders IRS to explain lost Lerner emails ‘under oath’
Published July 10, 2014
FoxNews.com

A federal judge has ordered the IRS to explain "under oath" how the agency lost a trove of emails from the official at the heart of the Tea Party targeting scandal.

U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan gave the tax agency 30 days to file a declaration by an "appropriate official" to address the computer issues with ex-official Lois Lerner.

The decision came Thursday as part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch, which along with GOP lawmakers on Capitol Hill has questioned how the IRS lost the emails and, in some cases, had no apparent way to retrieve them.

The IRS first acknowledged it lost the emails in a letter to senators last month.

"In our view, there has been a cover-up that has been going on," Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said. "The Department of Justice, the IRS, had an obligation, an absolute obligation ... to alert the court and alert Judicial Watch as soon as they knew when these records were supposedly lost."

The IRS says it lost the emails in 2011 when Lerner's computer crashed. At the time, Lerner headed the IRS division that processes applications for tax-exempt status. She has since retired.

During the court hearing, Sullivan indicated he wanted the portion of the declaration on the computer issues to be wide-ranging, saying "that's about as broad as I can make it."

It also emerged at the status hearing that a Treasury Department inspector general probe into the matter is underway.

The lawyer representing the IRS, Geoffrey Klimas, argued that any further discovery in this case might impede the IG's investigation.

Sullivan seemed leery of that argument and also asked that the IRS official speak to that subject in the explanation the agency submits.

Further, Sullivan ordered that the IRS official explain how Lerner's files may be recovered through "other sources."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/10/federal-judge-orders-irs-to-explain-lost-lerner-emails-under-oath/

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #116 on: July 11, 2014, 01:24:07 PM »
Second federal judge tells IRS to explain lost Lerner emails
Published July 11, 2014
FoxNews.com

A second federal judge has now ordered the IRS to explain under oath how the agency lost emails from former division director Lois Lerner, the woman at the heart of the Tea Party targeting scandal.

U.S. District Court Judge Reggie Walton told Obama administration lawyers on Friday he wants to see an affidavit explaining what happened with Lerner's hard drive. The IRS claims her computer suffered a crash in 2011 that wiped her email records at the time clean.

But at a hearing examining a lawsuit against the IRS by conservative group True the Vote, Walton said he wants to know what happened to Lerner's hard drive, which allegedly was recycled. He asked for an affidavit from those involved in handling the crashed drive.

The order is another boost for those questioning the agency's claims that many Lerner emails from that time period are not recoverable.

A day earlier, in a separate case brought by conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch, U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan gave the tax agency 30 days to file a declaration by an "appropriate official" to address the computer issues involving Lerner.

In that case, Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton alleged there "has been a cover-up that has been going on."

After the True the Vote hearing, group counsel Cleta Mitchell accused the IRS of playing a "shell game," by arguing that the plaintiffs could not prove any emails were lost.

True the Vote brought its case to court after facing multiple inquiries and extra scrutiny from the IRS, the FBI and other federal agencies.

True the Vote is now seeking a motion to speed up discovery and "preserve and prevent further destruction" of IRS emails and missing documents.

The group also wants a forensic expert to investigate how the emails were lost and examine whether the data is recoverable.

"The fact that the IRS is statutorily required to preserve these records yet nevertheless publicly claimed that they have been 'lost' appears to evidence bad faith," Mitchell wrote in a letter last month to the tax-collecting agency.

Lerner, who has since retired, headed the IRS unit that reviews applications for tax-exempt status, at the time when the agency was accused of subjecting conservative groups to additional scrutiny.

Meanwhile, Texas Republican Rep. Steve Stockman took things a step further on Friday, filing a resolution directing the House sergeant-at-arms to arrest Lerner on charges of contempt of Congress.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/11/second-federal-judge-tells-irs-to-explain-lost-lerner-emails/

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #117 on: July 21, 2014, 04:26:08 PM »
nothing will happen because the US Attorney won't prosecute because Lerner did not commit contempt and legally invoked the 5th amendment

but, Repubs will accomplish their goal of having another phony scandal to talk about on the campaign trail

LOL - I'm not a lawyer yet it was obvious to me 2 months ago that this is what would happen.

Not sure why our resident make believe lawyer didn't see this coming?

Maybe because he spends his day posting about how Obama is gay and speculating on the state of his marriage.....you know like any other make believe straight guy would do.

Side note:  Issa is a fucking moron.  


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/19/darrell-issa-contempt_n_5600789.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
Republicans Freak Out At Learning Reagan Decree Protects Lois Lerner
Posted: 07/19/2014 7:30 am EDT  |  Updated: 07/21/2014 9:59 am EDT

WASHINGTON -- Although legal experts warned at the time that little would come of Rep. Darrell Issa's (R-Calif.) attempt to prosecute former IRS official Lois Lerner for contempt of Congress, Republicans on Issa's Oversight and Government Reform Committee were infuriated to learn Thursday that a key obstacle is a Reagan administration legal opinion.

Issa's committee and then the full House voted to hold Lerner in contempt because she twice asserted her Fifth Amendment right in refusing to testify about her role in the IRS's botched screening of political nonprofits. She led the unit that oversees whether such groups get tax breaks, and was in charge when an inspector general found the IRS used "inappropriate" terms that largely singled out conservative groups.

When Congress finds a person in contempt, the matter is referred to federal prosecutors to be brought before a grand jury.

Legal experts advised against taking the step, and one of them, Gregory Gilchrist, told HuffPost at the time that it was unlikely a prosecutor would take up such a case, even though federal law spells out that pathway.

The reason, he said, is that not only were the facts in the case weak, but courts have historically given prosecutors wide leeway in deciding whether to bring cases.

"I just can't imagine that they would proceed with the case," Gilchrist said. "Unless the U.S. attorney takes a different view of the merits than I do, which I don't expect he will, I don't see any way this ends up in an actual charge."

At Thursday's hearing, several Republicans demanded that Deputy Attorney General James Cole explain why prosecutors had not already moved forward.

"This Congress held Lois Lerner in contempt, geez, almost nine weeks ago," Rep. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.) said, citing the procedure that's spelled out in law that says the prosecutor's duty "shall be to bring the matter before the grand jury."

But Cole noted that the prosecutor still gets to decide.

"My understanding of the law is that it does not strip the U.S. attorney of the normal discretion that the U.S. attorney has," Cole said. "He proceeds with the case if he believes it is appropriate to do so.
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His answer infuriated Republicans, especially Issa, who demanded proof.

"If you think that's discretionary, would you please give that back to us in a legal opinion so that we can change the law to make it clear you're wrong," Issa said.

Issa's Democratic counterpart on the committee, Rep. Elijah Cummings (Md.) was happy to find that opinion himself, written by conservative lawyer Theodore Olson when he worked for President Ronald Reagan's Office of Legal Counsel in 1984.

"What it says is, 'We believe Congress may not direct the executive to prosecute a particular individual without leaving any discretion to the executive to determine whether a violation of the law has occurred.' That's what the opinion says -- a 1984 opinion dated May 30," Cummings said
. "This was a contempt citation coming from Congress that he was talking about."

The Obama administration wouldn't be the first to rely on that opinion. The White House also cited it under Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. And although Issa described it as a "new" assertion in the hearing, his own committee heard it in 2012 when Congress voted to hold the attorney general himself in contempt. Indeed, the letter asserting it was written by Cole, and Issa was CC'd.

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #118 on: July 22, 2014, 06:46:48 PM »
The plot sickens.

House investigators: IRS tech experts say Lerner’s hard drive only 'scratched,' not destroyed
Published July 22, 2014
FoxNews.com

House investigators said Tuesday that the computer hard drive of ex-agency official Lois Lerner -- a key figure in the IRS targeting scandal -- was only “scratched,” not irreparably damaged, as Americans have been led to believe.

GOP-led Ways and Means Committee investigators, in their quest to recover missing Lerner emails, learned her hard drive was damaged but recoverable by talking to IRS information-technology experts, after the government originally refused to make them available, according to the committee.

“It is unbelievable that we cannot get a simple, straight answer from the IRS about this hard drive,” said committee Chairman Dave Camp.

The Michigan Republican said the new information also raises more questions about potential criminal wrongdoing at the IRS because the committee was told no data was recoverable and the physical hard drive was recycled and potentially shredded.

In addition, learning that the hard drive was only scratched also raises questions about why the IRS refused to use outside experts to recover the data.

“In fact, in-house professionals at the IRS recommended the agency seek outside assistance in recovering the data,” the committee said Tuesday in a release.

House investigators said they also are trying to determine whether the scratch was accidental or deliberate.

“If the IRS would just come clean and tell Congress and the American people what really happened, we could put an end to this,” Camp said. “Our investigators will not stop until we find the full truth.”

Lerner was the IRS’s exempt organizations director during the period of 2009 to mid-2011 -- when applications for tax-exempt status from Tea Party groups and other conservative organizations were held up for extra scrutiny.

The committee also said the information gleamed from the new interviews conflicts with a July 18 IRS court filing that states the data on the hard drive was unrecoverable -- including years of missing emails.

On June 13, more than one year into the investigation, and one month after the committee was promised it would receive all of Lerner’s emails, Congress learned that potentially thousands of them, over roughly two years, were destroyed as a result of a 2011 computer crash.

The recent interviews are bolstered by former federal law-enforcement and Defense Department forensic experts also telling investigators that most of the data on a scratched drive should be recoverable, the committee said.

A declaration filed Friday by the IRS stated the agency tried but failed to recover the data. The agency also said it is not sure what happened to the hard drive, other than saying they think it was recycled, which according to the court filing means “shredded.”

The committee also said a review of internal IRS documents found Lerner’s computer was actually described as “recovered.”

The targeting to the groups applying to the IRS was made public in May 2013 by Lerner. She has since refused to testify before Congress, invoking the Fifth Amendment, and resigned in September 2013.

The IRS has turned over tens of thousands of emails to and from Lerner’s account and says it has recovered thousands of others that were lost when her government-issued computer crashed.

Democrats say there is no scandal and that Republicans are trying to turn it into an election-year issue.

Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings, the top Democrat on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, protested Monday about the continuing House investigations, including his committee’s plans to call IRS Commissioner John Koskinen to testify on Wednesday, for the third time over the past month.

"This public harassment of an agency head is not only an abuse of authority, but a dereliction of the committee's obligation to conduct responsible oversight on a host of other critical issues within our jurisdiction," he said.

Investigators also are still trying to learn whether the targeting of conservative groups was ordered by the White House.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/22/house-investigators-irs-tech-experts-say-lerners-hard-drive-only-scratched-not/

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #119 on: July 31, 2014, 09:16:37 AM »
Exactly the kind of person we want working in a high level IRS job.   ::)  How many other people like her work for the IRS? 

Lois Lerner Criticized GOP As 'Crazies,' 'Assholes' In Emails
 AP     | By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
Posted: 07/30/2014

WASHINGTON (AP) — A former IRS official at the heart of the agency's tea party controversy called conservative Republicans "crazies" and more in emails released Wednesday.

Lois Lerner headed the IRS division that handles applications for tax-exempt status. In a series of emails with a colleague in November 2012, Lerner made two disparaging remarks about members of the GOP, including one remark that was profane.


Rep. Dave Camp, who chairs the House Ways and Means Committee, released the emails Wednesday as part of his committee's investigation. The Michigan Republican says the emails show Lerner's "disgust with conservatives."

In one email, Lerner called members of the GOP crazies. In the other, she called them "assholes." The committee redacted the wording to "_holes" in the material it released publicly but a committee spokeswoman confirmed to the AP that the email said "assholes."

Congress and the Justice Department are investigating whether the IRS improperly scrutinized applications for tax-exempt status from conservative groups.

Camp sent copies of the emails to the Justice Department, saying they provide further proof that Lerner willfully targeted conservatives.

Lerner has since retired from the agency. Her lawyer did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Lerner has emerged as a central figure in several congressional investigations into the IRS' handling of applications for tax-exempt status by tea party and other conservative groups. Twice Lerner refused to answer questions at congressional hearings, invoking her constitutional right against self-incrimination.

In June, the IRS told Congress that an untold number of Lerner's emails were lost when her computer hard drive crashed in 2011.

In the newly released emails, Lerner was apparently traveling in Great Britain when she uses her Blackberry to send a series of emails to a colleague at the IRS. Camp said Lerner was using her government email account.

Lerner tells her colleague that she overheard some women say America was bankrupt and "going down the tubes."

"Well, you should hear the whacko wing of the GOP," replied her colleague, whose name is blacked out. "The US is through; too many foreigners sucking the teat; time to hunker down, buy ammo and food, and prepare for the end. The right wing radio shows are scary to listen to."

Lerner replies: "Great. Maybe we are through if there are that many assholes."

Her colleague replies: "And I'm talking about the hosts of the shows. The callers are rabid."

Lerner: "So we don't need to worry about alien teRrorists. It's our own crazies that will take us down."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/30/lois-lerner-emails-_n_5634379.html

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #120 on: July 31, 2014, 09:19:22 AM »
Exactly the kind of person we want working in a high level IRS job.   ::)  How many other people like her work for the IRS? 

Lois Lerner Criticized GOP As 'Crazies,' 'Assholes' In Emails
 AP     | By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
Posted: 07/30/2014

WASHINGTON (AP) — A former IRS official at the heart of the agency's tea party controversy called conservative Republicans "crazies" and more in emails released Wednesday.

Lois Lerner headed the IRS division that handles applications for tax-exempt status. In a series of emails with a colleague in November 2012, Lerner made two disparaging remarks about members of the GOP, including one remark that was profane.


Rep. Dave Camp, who chairs the House Ways and Means Committee, released the emails Wednesday as part of his committee's investigation. The Michigan Republican says the emails show Lerner's "disgust with conservatives."

In one email, Lerner called members of the GOP crazies. In the other, she called them "assholes." The committee redacted the wording to "_holes" in the material it released publicly but a committee spokeswoman confirmed to the AP that the email said "assholes."

Congress and the Justice Department are investigating whether the IRS improperly scrutinized applications for tax-exempt status from conservative groups.

Camp sent copies of the emails to the Justice Department, saying they provide further proof that Lerner willfully targeted conservatives.

Lerner has since retired from the agency. Her lawyer did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Lerner has emerged as a central figure in several congressional investigations into the IRS' handling of applications for tax-exempt status by tea party and other conservative groups. Twice Lerner refused to answer questions at congressional hearings, invoking her constitutional right against self-incrimination.

In June, the IRS told Congress that an untold number of Lerner's emails were lost when her computer hard drive crashed in 2011.

In the newly released emails, Lerner was apparently traveling in Great Britain when she uses her Blackberry to send a series of emails to a colleague at the IRS. Camp said Lerner was using her government email account.

Lerner tells her colleague that she overheard some women say America was bankrupt and "going down the tubes."

"Well, you should hear the whacko wing of the GOP," replied her colleague, whose name is blacked out. "The US is through; too many foreigners sucking the teat; time to hunker down, buy ammo and food, and prepare for the end. The right wing radio shows are scary to listen to."

Lerner replies: "Great. Maybe we are through if there are that many assholes."

Her colleague replies: "And I'm talking about the hosts of the shows. The callers are rabid."

Lerner: "So we don't need to worry about alien teRrorists. It's our own crazies that will take us down."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/30/lois-lerner-emails-_n_5634379.html

great point

it's not like any high ranking Republican (civil servant or politician) ever made a partisan or inflammatory remark (especially in private correspondence) about Democrats

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #121 on: July 31, 2014, 12:01:48 PM »
Exactly the kind of person we want working in a high level IRS job.   ::)  How many other people like her work for the IRS? 

Lois Lerner Criticized GOP As 'Crazies,' 'Assholes' In Emails
 AP     | By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
Posted: 07/30/2014

WASHINGTON (AP) — A former IRS official at the heart of the agency's tea party controversy called conservative Republicans "crazies" and more in emails released Wednesday.

Lois Lerner headed the IRS division that handles applications for tax-exempt status. In a series of emails with a colleague in November 2012, Lerner made two disparaging remarks about members of the GOP, including one remark that was profane.


Rep. Dave Camp, who chairs the House Ways and Means Committee, released the emails Wednesday as part of his committee's investigation. The Michigan Republican says the emails show Lerner's "disgust with conservatives."

In one email, Lerner called members of the GOP crazies. In the other, she called them "assholes." The committee redacted the wording to "_holes" in the material it released publicly but a committee spokeswoman confirmed to the AP that the email said "assholes."

Congress and the Justice Department are investigating whether the IRS improperly scrutinized applications for tax-exempt status from conservative groups.

Camp sent copies of the emails to the Justice Department, saying they provide further proof that Lerner willfully targeted conservatives.

Lerner has since retired from the agency. Her lawyer did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Lerner has emerged as a central figure in several congressional investigations into the IRS' handling of applications for tax-exempt status by tea party and other conservative groups. Twice Lerner refused to answer questions at congressional hearings, invoking her constitutional right against self-incrimination.

In June, the IRS told Congress that an untold number of Lerner's emails were lost when her computer hard drive crashed in 2011.

In the newly released emails, Lerner was apparently traveling in Great Britain when she uses her Blackberry to send a series of emails to a colleague at the IRS. Camp said Lerner was using her government email account.

Lerner tells her colleague that she overheard some women say America was bankrupt and "going down the tubes."

"Well, you should hear the whacko wing of the GOP," replied her colleague, whose name is blacked out. "The US is through; too many foreigners sucking the teat; time to hunker down, buy ammo and food, and prepare for the end. The right wing radio shows are scary to listen to."

Lerner replies: "Great. Maybe we are through if there are that many assholes."

Her colleague replies: "And I'm talking about the hosts of the shows. The callers are rabid."

Lerner: "So we don't need to worry about alien teRrorists. It's our own crazies that will take us down."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/30/lois-lerner-emails-_n_5634379.html
how many more? A lot, I hope.
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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #122 on: July 31, 2014, 12:15:08 PM »
Now we may know why. After months of delay in responding to congressional inquiries, the IRS now claims that, for the period of January 2009 to April 2011, all e-mails between Lois Lerner — the IRS official at the center of the scandal — and anyone outside the IRS were wiped out by a “computer crash.”

Completely unacceptable.

Reminds me of the lack of anger from the other side of the aisle when Bush white house "lost" 22 MILLION emails.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy

They were "found" in 2009, after bush left office, and won't be declassified for years lol.

Most would consider the White House email to be among the most important on EARTH lol.   The minute an investigation comes, oops, they're all missing lol.

it was digusting when bush did it, and it's disgusting when obama does it. 

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #123 on: July 31, 2014, 02:07:28 PM »
how many more? A lot, I hope.

Yes, I'm sure you do. 

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Re: What Happens Next For Lois Lerner?
« Reply #124 on: August 01, 2014, 11:08:23 AM »
great point

it's not like any high ranking Republican (civil servant or politician) ever made a partisan or inflammatory remark (especially in private correspondence) about Democrats

I didn't think IRS officials were allowed to practice partisan politics on the job? That's the problem. Not that Bush called a Dem an asshole 15 years ago.

Was the IRS acting as a campaign headquarters for Bush during his re-election campaign?

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/10/irs-worker-suspended-for-using-official-capacity-to-campaign-for-obama/#!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/10/irs-employee-suspended-pro-obama-activities/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/9/dallas-irs-office-plastered-pro-obama-stickers-scr/?page=all


Doesn't this concern you at all?
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