Ferguson - Rioting for Michael Brown - Discussion

[Archer77]

here's an expert opinion.

“The outcome isn’t very surprising really, on either side,’’ said Samuel Bagenstos, a law professor at the University of Michigan. “The standard for proving a criminal violation is just so high that it was always very unlikely they were going to find an indictable case on the criminal side. On the other hand, the evidence of a pattern and practice of unconstitutional policing is strong. It highlights the pattern and practice authority of the department of justice is a much more powerful tool for dealing with police misconduct cases.’’

http://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-department-report-to-criticize-treatment-of-minorities-by-ferguson-police-1425337717

Can't read the article because I am not a subscriber. I don't know the context of the comment. I'm sure his opinions are earnest and sincere but it's very difficult to determine anything from the limited information presented in the report.  You must understand the DOJ was looking for bias and the report is specifically designed to find it.  Whether you agree with the reports conclusions or not you can't say it's unbiased.  The report deserves greater scrutiny.

[mr.turbo]

Can't read the article because I am not a subscriber. I don't know the context of the comment. I'm sure his opinions are earnest and sincere but it's very difficult to determine anything from the limited information presented in the report.  You must understand the DOJ was looking for bias and the report is specifically designed to find it.  Whether you agree with the reports conclusions or not you can't say it's unbiased.  The report deserves greater scrutiny.

You can't find things if you don't look for them.

Nobody seems surprised by the results but maybe some dissenters will emerge.

curious to see how the local yokels react. 

I'm sure the gong show will continue hahaha!!! 

[Slapper]

Ferguson, and what happened there, can easily be explained from a sociological perspective: It was a sundown town until the 70s, until the racist town ordinances (some oral) were forgotten.

Blacks make up of 2/3 of the town's demographics. Whites a little under 1/3. Only 1/20th of the police officers in Ferguson are black.

So, you have a town in which whites make up the majority of the coercive force (the white officers most likely racist to the bone after centuries of living within a segregation system that survived well past the Civil Rights Movement,) so its no surprise blacks are the # 1 target.

We're so used to seeing burning crosses when seeing racist acts that whenever we see any other manifestation of the problem we fail to see it as what it really is: racism.

 

[Erik C]

Ferguson, and what happened there, can easily be explained from a sociological perspective: It was a sundown town until the 70s, until the racist town ordinances (some oral) were forgotten.

Blacks make up of 2/3 of the town's demographics. Whites a little under 1/3. Only 1/20th of the police officers in Ferguson are black.

So, you have a town in which whites make up the majority of the coercive force (the white officers most likely racist to the bone after centuries of living within a segregation system that survived well past the Civil Rights Movement,) so its no surprise blacks are the # 1 target.

We're so used to seeing burning crosses when seeing racist acts that whenever we see any other manifestation of the problem we fail to see it as what it really is: racism.

No. It's the inability of blacks to evolve beyond the animal state of being. Savagery from any one, blacks included, will result in violent take down of the animal criminal. It's all good!

[Slapper]

No. It's the inability of blacks to evolve beyond the animal state of being. Savagery from any one, blacks included, will result in violent take down of the animal criminal. It's all good!

It's really hard to move beyond the survival state when your forefathers spent over 100 years living as slaves, almost 100 years trying to gain full citizenship while living in a de facto apartheid state and then being asked to somehow enter society as though 200+ years of white racism just didn't exist.

I honestly think they are taking the hostilities rather well.

[mr.turbo]

Ferguson, and what happened there, can easily be explained from a sociological perspective: It was a sundown town until the 70s, until the racist town ordinances (some oral) were forgotten.

Blacks make up of 2/3 of the town's demographics. Whites a little under 1/3. Only 1/20th of the police officers in Ferguson are black.

So, you have a town in which whites make up the majority of the coercive force (the white officers most likely racist to the bone after centuries of living within a segregation system that survived well past the Civil Rights Movement,) so its no surprise blacks are the # 1 target.

We're so used to seeing burning crosses when seeing racist acts that whenever we see any other manifestation of the problem we fail to see it as what it really is: racism.

 

this is a very deep seated issue.  Prepare to be condemned if you try to inject history.

[Slapper]

this is a very deep seated issue.  Prepare to be condemned if you try to inject history.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

[Erik C]

It's really hard to move beyond the survival state when your forefathers spent over 100 years living as slaves, almost 100 years trying to gain full citizenship living in a de facto apartheid state and then being asked to somehow enter society as though 200+ years of white racism just didn't exist.

I honestly think they are taking the hostilities rather well.

Slavery has been over in the USA, not Africa, for 150 years. Slavery was an equal opportunity system. There were white slaves, black slaves, and native Indian slaves. There were also black slave owners, white slave owners, and native Indian slave owners. That's the story of human history, before the industrial revolution, that eliminated the need for manual labor, and started putting machines to work, instead of human labor. So slavery, in modern countries became obsolete, and instead of paying for the care and feeding of slaves, labor was allow to compete for jobs, and become wage slaves, earning in many cases, much less than what was required for their care and feeding. Some, of every race, prospered, based on their intelligence and abilities. Many, lacking in quality abilities fell behind economically. They couldn't compete successfully, because of their genetic inferiority. Nothing new under the Sun.

[Walter Sobchak]

It's really hard to move beyond the survival state when your forefathers spent over 100 years living as slaves, almost 100 years trying to gain full citizenship while living in a de facto apartheid state and then being asked to somehow enter society as though 200+ years of white racism just didn't exist.

I honestly think they are taking the hostilities rather well.

If they don't like it there are two simple options:

Go back to Africa

Put them on reservations like they did with Indians

[240 is Back]

You mean Eric Holders Justice Department. That was quite the race baiting speech he gave today.

The dems want us talking about this bullshit speech about an old case...

and NOT the collusion with Boehnner on DHS funding, and/or Israel's leadership punking obama.

Yep, they love it when we're arguing race, looking backwards, as they're speeding our ship at the iceberg.

[mr.turbo]

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

that was intended as an expression of agreement

[Mobil]

http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-report-rampant-racism-other-scathing-findings-probe-230500693.html


loved this joke thought it was funny that was found on the emails from those cops.....

"A May 2011 email stated -- “An African-American woman in New Orleans was admitted into the hospital for a pregnancy termination. Two weeks later she received a check for $5,000. She phoned the hospital to ask who it was from. The hospital said, ‘Crimestoppers.’” "

[mr.turbo]

the details coming out are highly amusing

Federal investigators found that the judge, the court clerk, the mayor, police supervisors and officials from Ferguson and other neighboring cities — some of whom, the report pointed out, were quick to assert that black residents of Ferguson lacked a sense of personal responsibility — routinely had tickets dismissed for themselves and their friends, pleading “an honest mistake” or suggesting that having a ticket dismissed “would be a blessing.”

“Your ticket of $200 has magically disappeared!” read one email from the court clerk to one friend. “It’s gone baby!” she wrote to another.

 

[polychronopolous]

the details coming out are highly amusing

Federal investigators found that the judge, the court clerk, the mayor, police supervisors and officials from Ferguson and other neighboring cities — some of whom, the report pointed out, were quick to assert that black residents of Ferguson lacked a sense of personal responsibility — routinely had tickets dismissed for themselves and their friends, pleading “an honest mistake” or suggesting that having a ticket dismissed “would be a blessing.”

“Your ticket of $200 has magically disappeared!” read one email from the court clerk to one friend. “It’s gone baby!” she wrote to another.

 

Mind blowing revelation there 

[mr.turbo]

Mind blowing revelation there 

what's your position on personal responsibility in this matter?

[tommywishbone]

Who gives a rat's ass about that shit hole any way.  They get exactly what they deserve. Shit. They behave like animals- they get treated like animals.

[polychronopolous]

what's your position on personal responsibility in this matter?

Don't really have one.

Another savage will be gunned down in a couple of days and the local judge will still be getting his brother in law's $20 parking ticket dismissed.

[Archer77]

Mind blowing revelation there 

Do you see how ridiculous reports like this are?   It's all political theater.

[Bevo]

Ferguson, and what happened there, can easily be explained from a sociological perspective: It was a sundown town until the 70s, until the racist town ordinances (some oral) were forgotten.

Blacks make up of 2/3 of the town's demographics. Whites a little under 1/3. Only 1/20th of the police officers in Ferguson are black.

So, you have a town in which whites make up the majority of the coercive force (the white officers most likely racist to the bone after centuries of living within a segregation system that survived well past the Civil Rights Movement,) so its no surprise blacks are the # 1 target.

We're so used to seeing burning crosses when seeing racist acts that whenever we see any other manifestation of the problem we fail to see it as what it really is: racism.

 

I've never seen a burning cross in my life as far as I lived

[Bevo]

Why do Asians and even a lot of Hispanics never complain?

Having grown up in california lots of Asians in the area, yet they make up the smallest minorities in the US but they pride themselves in education and hard work. Lots end up being doctors, business owners, and have one of the highest incomes in the US

The Vietnamese people came over with nothing in the 70's during the war and managed to be successful, same with others

[mr.turbo]

Do you see how ridiculous reports like this are?   It's all political theater.

“In March 2010, for instance, the City Finance Director wrote to Chief [Thomas] Jackson that ‘unless ticket writing ramps up significantly before the end of the year, it will be hard to significantly raise collections next year. . . . Given that we are looking at a substantial sales tax shortfall, it’s not an insignificant issue.’ Similarly, in March 2013, the Finance Director wrote to the City Manager: ‘Court fees are anticipated to rise about 7.5%. I did ask the Chief if he thought the PD could deliver 10% increase. He indicated they could try.’”

 

[Archer77]

Why do Asians and even a lot of Hispanics never complain?

Having grown up in california lots of Asians in the area, yet they make up the smallest minorities in the US but they pride themselves in education and hard work. Lots end up being doctors, business owners, and have one of the highest incomes in the US

The Vietnamese people came over with nothing in the 70's during the war and managed to be successful, same with others

Culture, attitude and genetics

“In March 2010, for instance, the City Finance Director wrote to Chief [Thomas] Jackson that ‘unless ticket writing ramps up significantly before the end of the year, it will be hard to significantly raise collections next year. . . . Given that we are looking at a substantial sales tax shortfall, it’s not an insignificant issue.’ Similarly, in March 2013, the Finance Director wrote to the City Manager: ‘Court fees are anticipated to rise about 7.5%. I did ask the Chief if he thought the PD could deliver 10% increase. He indicated they could try.’”

 

Wow, how damning.

[Hulkotron]

Is this shit STILL going on?

[Mawse]

Culture, attitude and genetics

Wow, how damning.

They're scumbags but those emails could be found in the inboxes of literally every city politician in the US

Move along... the rabid Brown animal was put down by officer wilson , the other animals burned their zoo and there's nothing left to gain from whitey here

[mr.turbo]

They're scumbags but those emails could be found in the inboxes of literally every city politician in the US

Move along... the rabid Brown animal was put down by officer wilson , the other animals burned their zoo and there's nothing left to gain from whitey here

these emails may not impress getbiggers but the consequences are very serious from a legal perspective.