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Re: Obama's failed War on Isis is already in shambles.
« Reply #51 on: October 20, 2014, 04:49:45 AM »

U.S. Humanitarian Aid Going to ISIS

Not only are foodstuffs, medical supplies—even clinics—going to ISIS, the distribution networks are paying ISIS ‘taxes’ and putting ISIS people on their payrolls.

GAZIANTEP, Turkey — While U.S. warplanes strike at the militants of the so-called Islamic State in both Syria and Iraq, truckloads of U.S. and Western aid has been flowing into territory controlled by the jihadists, assisting them to build their terror-inspiring “Caliphate.”

The aid—mainly food and medical equipment—is meant for Syrians displaced from their hometowns, and for hungry civilians. It is funded by the U.S. Agency for International Development, European donors, and the United Nations. Whether it continues is now the subject of anguished debate among officials in Washington and European. The fear is that stopping aid would hurt innocent civilians and would be used for propaganda purposes by the militants, who would likely blame the West for added hardship.

The Bible says if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him something to drink—doing so will “heap burning coals” of shame on his head. But there is no evidence that the militants of the Islamic State, widely known as ISIS or ISIL, feel any sense of disgrace or indignity (and certainly not gratitude) receiving charity from their foes. 

Quite the reverse, the aid convoys have to pay off ISIS emirs (leaders) for the convoys to enter the eastern Syrian extremist strongholds of Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor, providing yet another income stream for ISIS militants, who are funding themselves from oil smuggling, extortion and the sale of whatever they can loot, including rare antiquities from museums and archaeological sites.

“The convoys have to be approved by ISIS and you have to pay them: the bribes are disguised and itemized as transportation costs,” says an aid coordinator who spoke to The Daily Beast on the condition he not be identified in this article. The kickbacks are either paid by foreign or local non-governmental organizations tasked with distributing the aid, or by the Turkish or Syrian transportation companies contracted to deliver it.




“What are we doing here helping their fighters, who we are bombing, to be treated so they can fight again?”

And there are fears the aid itself isn’t carefully monitored enough, with some sold off on the black market or used by ISIS to win hearts and minds by feeding its fighters and its subjects. At a minimum the aid means ISIS doesn’t have to divert cash from its war budget to help feed the local population or the displaced persons, allowing it to focus its resources exclusively on fighters and war making, say critics of the aid.

One of the striking differences between ISIS and terror groups of the past is its desire to portray the territory it has conquered as a well organized and smoothly functioning state. “The soldiers of Allah do not liberate a village, town or city, only to abandon its residents and ignore their needs,” declares the latest issue of the group’s slick online magazine, “Dabiq.” Elsewhere in the publication are pictures of slaughtered Kurdish soldiers and a gruesome photograph of American journalist Steven Sotloff’s severed head resting on top of his body. But this article shows ISIS restoring electricity in Raqqah, running a home for the elderly and a cancer treatment facility in Ninawa, and cleaning streets in other towns.

Last year, a polio outbreak in Deir ez-Zor raised concerns throughout the region about the spread of an epidemic. The World Health Organization worked with the Syrian government and with opposition groups to try to carry out an immunization campaign. This has continued. In response to a query by The Daily Beast, a WHO spokesperson said, “Our information indicates that vaccination campaigns have been successfully carried out by local health workers in IS-controlled territory.”

“I am alarmed that we are providing support for ISIS governance,” says Jonathan Schanzer, a Mideast expert with the Washington D.C.-based think tank Foundation for Defense of Democracies. “By doing so we are indemnifying the militants by satisfying the core demands of local people, who could turn on ISIS if they got frustrated.”





U.S. and Western relief agencies have been caught before in an aid dilemma when it comes to the war on terror. Last December, the Overseas Development Institute, an independent British think tank focusing on international development and humanitarian issues, reported that aid agencies in Somalia had been paying militants from the al Qaeda offshoot al-Shabab for access to areas under their control during the 2011 famine.

Al-Shabab demanded from the agencies what it described as “registration fees” of up to $10,000. And in many cases al-Shabab insisted on distributing the aid, keeping much of it for itself, according to ODI. The think tank cited al-Shabab’s diversion of food aid in the town of Baidoa, where it kept between half and two-thirds of the food for its own fighters. The researchers noted the al Qaeda affiliate developed a highly sophisticated system of monitoring and co-opting the aid agencies, even setting up a "Humanitarian Co-ordination Office."

Something similar appears to be underway now in the Syrian provinces of Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor.

Aid coordinators with NGOs partnering USAID and other Western government agencies, including Britain’s Department for International Development, say ISIS insist that the NGOs, foreign and local, employ people ISIS approves on their staffs inside Syria. “There is always at least one ISIS person on the payroll; they force people on us,” says an aid coordinator. “And when a convoy is being prepared, the negotiations go through them about whether the convoy can proceed. They contact their emirs and a price is worked out. We don’t have to wrangle with individual ISIS field commanders once approval is given to get the convoy in, as the militants are highly hierarchical.” He adds: “None of the fighters will dare touch it, if an emir has given permission.”

That isn’t the case with other Syrian rebel groups, where arguments over convoys can erupt at checkpoints at main entry points into Syria, where aid is unloaded from Turkish tractor-trailers and re-loaded into Syrian ones.

Many aid workers are uncomfortable with what’s happening. “A few months ago we delivered a mobile clinic for a USAID-funded NGO,” says one, who declined to be named. “A few of us debated the rights and wrongs of this. The clinic was earmarked for the treatment of civilians, but we all know that wounded ISIS fighters could easily be treated as well. So what are we doing here helping their fighters, who we are bombing, to be treated so they can fight again?”

What becomes even more bizarre is that while aid is still going into ISIS-controlled areas, only a little is going into Kurdish areas in northeast Syria. About every three or four months there is a convoy into the key city of Qamishli. Syrian Kurds, who are now defending Kobani with the support of U.S. warplanes, have long complained about the lack of international aid. Last November, tellingly, Syrian Kurds complained that Syria’s Kurdistan was not included in a U.N. polio vaccination campaign. U.N. agencies took the position that polio vaccines should go through the Syrian Red Crescent via Damascus when it came to the Kurds.

The origins of the aid programs pre-date President Barack Obama’s decision to “degrade and defeat” ISIS, but they have carried on without major review. The aid push was to reach anyone in need. A senior State Department official with detailed knowledge of current aid programs confirmed to The Daily Beast that U.S. government funded relief is still going into Raqqa and Deir Ez-Zor. He declined to estimate the quantity. But an aid coordinator, when asked, responded: “A lot .”

The State Department official said he, too, was conflicted about the programs. “Is this helping the militants by allowing them to divert money they would have to spend on food? If aid wasn’t going in, would they let people starve? And is it right for us to withhold assistance and punish civilians? Would the militants turn around,. as al-Shabab did when many agencies withdrew from Somalia, and blame the West for starvation and hunger? Are we helping indirectly the militants to build their Caliphate? I wrestle with this.”

Western NGO partners of USAID and other Western agencies declined to respond to Daily Beast inquiries about international relief going to ISIS areas, citing the complexity of the issue and noting its delicacy.

Mideast analyst Schanzer dismisses the notion that ISIS can use an aid shutdown as leverage in its PR campaign: “I think this is false. In areas they control everyone understands they are a brutal organization. This is their basic weakness and by pushing in aid we are curtailing the chances of an internal revolt, which is the best chance you have of bringing down ISIS.”


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Re: Obama's failed War on Isis is already in shambles.
« Reply #53 on: October 24, 2014, 05:13:09 AM »
Losing to the Islamic State



By David Ignatius - October 24, 2014



 

 

 
 

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AMMAN, Jordan -- Jalal al-Gaood, one of the tribal leaders the U.S. has been cultivating in hopes of rolling back extremists in Iraq, grimly describes how his hometown in Anbar province was forced to surrender this week to fighters from the Islamic State.

The extremists were moving Wednesday toward Gaood's town of Al-Zwaiha, the stronghold of his Albu Nimr clan just east of the Euphrates River. The attacking force had roughly 200 fighters and about 30 armed trucks. Al-Zwaiha's defenders were running out of ammunition and food, and wondered if they should make a deal with the marauding jihadists.




 
Gaood, a 53-year-old businessman in Amman, talked through the night with tribal elders back home. He says he tried repeatedly to reach Gen. John Allen, who is the U.S. special envoy for Iraq and Syria, to plead for emergency help. By the time Allen got the message, it was too late. Urgent warnings that the town was about to be overrun also went to the Iraqi army commander at nearby Al-Asad air base. There was no response except for a helicopter that took surveillance pictures and then left.

In the early hours of Thursday, Gaood advised the local leaders they had no alternative but to negotiate a truce.

Before dawn, a convoy left for Haditha, to the north, with 60 cars carrying local police, soldiers and former members of the U.S.-created tribal militia known as the "Awakening." If they had stayed in the town, they would have been massacred when the extremists took control.

"This morning, everything is finished," Gaood told me sadly Thursday at his office here. The Islamic State now controls the town, which straddles a strategic highway. The extremists' domination of the entire province is one step closer.

What makes this story chilling is that Gaood was one of the Sunni leaders the U.S. was hoping could organize resistance in Anbar. He was one of two dozen Iraqi tribal elders whom Allen met when he visited in early October.

Gaood says he warned then that without urgent help, "We are going to have to give up the fight."

"Gen. Allen said, 'I will put you in touch with someone in Centcom.' But it never happened," Gaood says.

Military campaigns often start slowly, and that has certainly been the case with President Obama's pledge to "degrade and ultimately destroy" the Islamic State. When Allen visited tribal leaders in Amman, he cautioned that he was in "listening mode" while the U.S. prepared its strategy. The U.S. presentation was "vague," says Gaood.

"Every time the Iraqis meet with Americans, they just take notes."

Sitting next to Gaood during the interview is Zaydan al-Jibouri, a 50-year-old sheik of another leading tribe. He frankly admits that his fighters have joined ex-Baathists and former military officers in siding with the Islamic State. "Why do you blame us in Anbar for joining ISIS [the Islamic State]?" he asks. "The ones who went with ISIS did so because of persecution" by the Shiite-led government of former Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

"The Sunni community has two options," Jibouri continues. "Fight against ISIS and allow Iran and its militias to rule us, or do the opposite. We chose ISIS for only one reason. ISIS only kills you. The Iraqi government kills you, and rapes your women." That sectarian rage and hunger for vengeance appear to animate Sunnis across Iraq.

Jibouri explains that the Islamic State was able to mobilize so quickly because it had planted "sleeper cells" in the Sunni regions. These hidden agents are mostly under 25; they grew up in the years of the insurgency and American occupation, watching as their fathers were killed or taken off to prison. "These men were brought up in the culture of vendetta and revenge," he says.

Gaood agrees that when the jihadists swept into the nearby town of Hit, 1,000 of these sleepers suddenly appeared, shattering local security.

If there's a ray of hope in the chilling accounts provided by Gaood and Jibouri, it's that even a man who says he's siding with the Islamic State still says he wants U.S. help, so long as it comes with protections for Iraq's Sunni community. "We want to create a strategic relationship with the Americans," Jibouri says, arguing that such a political deal is "the light at the end of the tunnel."

Yet when asked about the U.S. plan to create a national guard for the Sunnis, Jibouri scoffs that it's "wishful thinking" because Iraq's Shiites and Kurds will never agree. Until Sunni rights are respected, he says, "we will not allow the world to sleep."




davidignatius@washpost.com


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Re: Obama's failed War on Isis is already in shambles.
« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2014, 05:49:12 PM »
The West is waging a 'CNN war' in Syria as ISIL makes gains in Iraq
The Telegraph ^ | 10/25/2014 | By Sofia Barbarani, Erbil and Richard Spencer, Middle East Correspondent
Posted on October 26, 2014 6:42:23 PM EDT by SeekAndFind

On the barren wastes of Mount Sinjar, the Yazidis are once more surrounded and fighting for their lives. "We saw Isil, there are daily clashes with Isil. Today and yesterday there was heavy fighting," said one stranded Yazidi man, Dre'i Shamo, last week. "The situation is very tragic and critical."

Further south, the advance of the jihadists of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant on Baghdad continues, slower than before but still with no sign of a reversal of fortune. Another district fell last week, after a major military base the week before, while scores more innocent civilians have died in a rise in bombings in the city itself.

The jihadists have also reached Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province and the last major city in western Iraq not in Isil's hands.

The world's attention has been focused on the medium-sized Kurdish town of Kobane, on the Syria-Turkey border, whose accessibility has provided countless opportunities for telegenic news coverage of American air strikes, which have multiplied in size and number. But Kobane is a secondary focus of the war that has been waging in Syria for more than three years; and that war is itself supposed to be secondary in strategic heft for America and its allies, including Britain.

They have deemed Iraq the first target of the fight against Isil. Yet the number of air strikes in supposedly less significant Syria has now reached double that in Iraq, as America and its allies seek to bolster Kobane's defences.

Analysts and some Iraqis now wonder whether President Barack Obama's declared strategy in the Middle East has been abandoned in favour of pursuing a short-term agenda dictated by the news agenda: that the "CNN factor was at play",

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Re: Obama's failed War on Isis is already in shambles.
« Reply #58 on: October 29, 2014, 12:05:35 PM »
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Obama fights Ebola, not ISIS, retreats on battlefield but wages war against weather
Fox News ^  | October 28, 2014 | Pete Hegseth

Posted on ‎10‎/‎29‎/‎2014‎ ‎10‎:‎58‎:‎54‎ ‎AM by NYer

What are we to make of a president who won’t fight a terrorist army — but will deploy 3,000 Marines to fight Ebola?



An administration that pre-emptively announces troop withdrawals while, in the next breath, declares global warming the greatest threat to America?

A White House that won’t make a single phone call to free a decorated Marine in Mexico — but will trade five Taliban terrorists with American blood on their hands for a likely deserter?



Our “ambivalent-American” leadership lacks the moral foundation — let alone moral compass — to distinguish between right and wrong, good and bad, righteousness and evil.



In my “infantryman” brain — having faced Islamists in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay — these comparisons just don’t compute.



Why would we definitively rule out deploying forces to fight radical Islamists but rush to deploy them to fight a virus?



Why do we retreat on the battlefield but charge full speed against the weather?



And why can’t we distinguish between valor and desertion?



These things make no sense to me, and to common-sense-led Americans everywhere.

 But then I channel my “Ivy League” brain — having spent six years combined at Princeton and Harvard — and it suddenly makes sense.



I went to school with Barack Obama, John Kerry and Susan Rice. I heard the same lectures, sat in the same small groups and had the same classmates — not literally, but figuratively. President Obama and company are part of the same “educated” class, making their reaction to today’s chaotic, complicated and dangerous world painfully predictable.

A great many of President Obama’s actions and policies result in diminished American leadership and power, directly or indirectly undermining America’s stature, economy and military for decades to come.


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Re: Obama's failed War on Isis is already in shambles.
« Reply #59 on: October 29, 2014, 12:31:06 PM »
Are you trying to piss me off....
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Re: Obama's failed War on Isis is already in shambles.
« Reply #60 on: October 29, 2014, 12:35:32 PM »
Are you trying to piss me off....

No - just relaying what I read and hear.   

Those very close to this are very upset - ill leave it at that

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Re: Obama's failed War on Isis is already in shambles.
« Reply #61 on: October 29, 2014, 01:06:49 PM »
Holy shit :D

Like twenty posts in a row, double the dose of your prozac bro.

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Re: Obama's failed War on Isis is already in shambles.
« Reply #62 on: October 29, 2014, 01:11:38 PM »
Holy shit :D

Like twenty posts in a row, double the dose of your prozac bro.

Yeah - cause lib-faggets only want to talk abortion and gay marriage.   The adults here talk about real deal stuff

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Re: Obama's failed War on Isis is already in shambles.
« Reply #63 on: October 29, 2014, 01:14:45 PM »
Yeah - cause lib-faggets only want to talk abortion and gay marriage.   The adults here talk about real deal stuff

Ya like Obama's wife's looks?

No one cares bro, no one is going to read your fourty copy and paste posts. You could post a paragraph explaining your position, but that would require you reading more than the headline.

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Re: Obama's failed War on Isis is already in shambles.
« Reply #64 on: October 29, 2014, 01:20:41 PM »
Ya like Obama's wife's looks?

No one cares bro, no one is going to read your fourty copy and paste posts. You could post a paragraph explaining your position, but that would require you reading more than the headline.

Hey Canuk - go freeze your balls off up north while self diagnosing your illnesses - the rest of us actually care about the news .


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Re: Obama's failed War on Isis is already in shambles.
« Reply #67 on: October 31, 2014, 06:31:16 AM »
Hey Canuk - go freeze your balls off up north while self diagnosing your illnesses - the rest of us actually care about the news .


Ya it's really news ::)

it's in shambles is it? not enough americans dying for you?

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Re: Obama's failed War on Isis is already in shambles.
« Reply #68 on: October 31, 2014, 06:39:30 AM »

Ya it's really news ::)

it's in shambles is it? not enough americans dying for you?

yeah, I dunno if "in shambles" woudl describe it.

we aren't losing troops.  we're spending minimal $. We're letting locals deal with the bloodshed on their own lands.  ISIS is still over there, despite lies from congressman trying to scare people.  We haven't been attacked, and they're being killed/stripped of $/equipment as our military leadership sees fit.

IMO, "in shambles" means they're blowing up shit in USA, richer than ever, pulling off 911's. 


Again, what would you be doing different, 333386?

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Re: Obama's failed War on Isis is already in shambles.
« Reply #69 on: October 31, 2014, 07:00:58 AM »


IMO, "in shambles" means they're blowing up shit in USA, richer than ever, pulling off 911's.  



None of that happened after the USA under Bush (with support from the Democrats like Hillary Clinton and Biden) invaded Iraq, yet that didn't prevent the stupid libtards from saying that it was worse than Vietnam.


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Re: Obama's failed War on Isis is already in shambles.
« Reply #70 on: October 31, 2014, 07:49:53 AM »
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Military Upset with White House 'Micromanagement' of ISIS War
The Daily Beast ^  | October 31, 2014 | Josh Rogin and Eli Lake

Posted on ‎10‎/‎31‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎47‎:‎30‎ ‎AM by C19fan

Top military leaders in the Pentagon and in the field are growing increasingly frustrated by the tight constraints the White House has placed on the plans to fight ISIS and train a new Syrian rebel army.

As the American-led battle against ISIS stretches into its fourth month, the generals and Pentagon officials leading the air campaign and preparing to train Syrian rebels are working under strict White House orders to keep the war contained within policy limits. The National Security Council has given precise instructions on which rebels can be engaged, who can be trained, and what exactly those fighters will do when they return to Syria. Most of the rebels to be trained by the U.S. will never be sent to fight against ISIS.

Making matters worse, military officers and civilian Pentagon leaders tell The Daily Beast, is the ISIS war's decision-making process, run by National Security Advisor Susan Rice. It's been manic and obsessed with the tiniest of details. Officials talk of sudden and frequent meetings of the National Security Council and the so-called "Principals Committee" of top defense, intelligence, and foreign policy officials (an NSC and three PCs in one week this month); a barrage of questions from the NSC to the agencies that create mountains of paperwork for overworked staffers; and NSC insistence on deciding minor issues even at the operational level.


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Re: Obama's failed War on Isis is already in shambles.
« Reply #71 on: October 31, 2014, 09:16:13 AM »
None of that happened after the USA under Bush (with support from the Democrats like Hillary Clinton and Biden) invaded Iraq, yet that didn't prevent the stupid libtards from saying that it was worse than Vietnam.

We had a little thing called 911 under Bush.  Despite some serious warnings.   
We had a WTC 93 under Clinton.

Neither of them, nor their supporters, can claim a win in keeping the homeland safe. 


Well...

Rudy Giuliani: 'We Had No Domestic Attacks Under Bush; We've Had One Under Obama'

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Re: Obama's failed War on Isis is already in shambles.
« Reply #72 on: November 03, 2014, 03:53:04 AM »
U.S.-backed Syria rebels routed by fighters linked to al-Qaeda
Washington Post ^ | November 3, 2014 | Liz Sly
Posted on November 3, 2014 5:24:48 AM EST by Cincinatus' Wife

BEIRUT — The Obama administration’s Syria strategy suffered a major setback Sunday after fighters linked to al-Qaeda routed U.S.-backed rebels from their main northern strongholds, capturing significant quantities of weaponry, triggering widespread defections and ending hopes that Washington will readily find Syrian partners in its war against the Islamic State.

Moderate rebels who had been armed and trained by the United States either surrendered or defected to the extremists as the Jabhat al-Nusra group, affiliated with al-Qaeda, swept through the towns and villages the moderates controlled in the northern province of Idlib, in what appeared to be a concerted push to vanquish the moderate Free Syrian Army, according to rebel commanders, activists and analysts.

Other moderate fighters were on the run, headed for the Turkish border as the extremists closed in, heralding a significant defeat for the rebel forces Washington had been counting on as a bulwark against the Islamic State.....

...Another Western-backed group, the Syrian Revolutionary Front, on Saturday gave up its bases in Jabal al-Zawiya, a collection of mountain villages that had been under the control of the pro-American warlord Jamal Maarouf since 2012. A video posted on YouTube showed Jabhat al-Nusra fighters unearthing stockpiles of weaponry at Maarouf’s headquarters in his home town of Deir Sunbul.....

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Re: Obama's failed War on Isis is already in shambles.
« Reply #73 on: November 03, 2014, 04:27:21 AM »
Moderate rebels who had been armed and trained by the United States

there is so much wrong with the world when people are celebrating the US-backed Syrian rebels losses.

Just so much wrong.  When the syrian govt, rebels, and ISIS, along with AL-Q are all fighting and killing each other, I think there's only one thing the US needs:






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Re: Obama's failed War on Isis is already in shambles.
« Reply #74 on: November 03, 2014, 05:21:32 AM »
there is so much wrong with the world when people are celebrating the US-backed Syrian rebels losses.

Just so much wrong.  When the syrian govt, rebels, and ISIS, along with AL-Q are all fighting and killing each other, I think there's only one thing the US needs:







I and others told you this plan was a failure from Day 1 - deal with it.

Obama needs to resign and leave the country.