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« Reply #50 on: November 23, 2014, 03:30:15 PM »
again..these people were not going to get deported anyway...Obama simply put them on the bottom of the list....A good thing I think...why waste time and money deporting people who by and large are working, paying taxes and not getting into trouble?????...it just makes our immigration courts even more inefficient than they are now

So basically you are surrendering to .gov not doing their job by not enforcing the laws? Brilliant, a few more like you and we can have a king, since there is nothing we can do anyway ::)
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« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2014, 04:28:00 AM »
It was already unenforceable anyway....they have already had de-facto amnesty since no one was pursuing them anyway....many of them have been in the country 10 years already

It is enforceable when you actually attempt to enforce the law.  I don't care if they were in the country for ten years or not dump them over the border and let them apply to legally reenter the country.  Fine the shit out of their kids until they comply.  The kids are harboring fugitives after all.

Obamas plan is not enforceable,  its not comprehensive , its not effective and its not expedient.  He's passing the buck three years down the line. His actions are completely  unnecessary and do nothing to solve the problem of illegal  immigration.
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« Reply #52 on: November 24, 2014, 06:19:55 AM »
Obama: "Absolutely Not" Legitimate For Future Presidents To Use Executive Actions For Taxes








       
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GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, THIS WEEK: How do you respond to the argument, a future president comes in, wants lower taxes. Doesn’t happen. Congress won’t do it – he says I’m not going to prosecute those who don’t pay capital gains tax.

 PRESIDENTOBAMA: Well, the truth of the matter is, George, that the reason that we have to do prosecutorial discretion in immigration is that we know we are not even close to being able to deal with the folks who have been here a long time. The vast majority of folks understand that they need to pay taxes, and when we conduct an audit, for example, we are selecting those folks who are most likely to be cheating. We’re not going after millions and millions of people who everybody knows are here and were taking advantage of low wages as they’re mowing lawns or cleaning out bedpans, and looking the other way – but then you got politicians suddenly going out there saying, suggesting somehow that we should be deporting all of them. Everybody knows, including Republicans, that we’re not going to deport 11 million people.

 STEPHANOPOULOS: So you don’t think it’d be legitimate for a future president to make that argument?

 OBAMA: With respect to taxes? Absolutely not. But what is true – what is true today is we don’t audit every single person, but we still expect that people are going to go ahead and follow the law. And we have limited resources, we have to make sure that we prioritize those folks who are most dangerous and we should acknowledge what everybody has already acknowledged through their actions – and Congress acknowledges through their budget – which is we’re not in the business of deporting millions of people or breaking up families.













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« Reply #54 on: November 24, 2014, 07:03:10 AM »
Precedents and ‘Prosecutorial Discretion’: Questions Defenders of Obama's EO Must Answer
National Review ^  | 11/24/2014 | Jan Ting

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The president’s announcement last week of his executive order on immigration was fine rhetorically but entirely wrong on the facts.

He repeated, for instance, his often-expressed statement that “everyone” agrees that our immigration system is broken. That statement is untrue, because I, for one, do not know or believe that our immigration system is broken. We have the most generous legal-immigration system in the world. Each year it admits more legal permanent-resident immigrants with a clear path to full citizenship than all the rest of the world’s nations combined. We have an immigration system that’s worthy of our nation of immigrants.

What’s broken is the willingness of some Americans, especially politicians, to choose between admitting all who want to come here — which would be an immigration system with no limits — or, alternatively, enforcing a limit on how many immigrants we accept each year. If we make the latter choice, we have to turn away people, not because they’re bad people, but because admitting them would violate the limit we’ve set. And if they come anyway in violation of this limit, we have to try to deport them to enforce the limit.

That’s a binary choice: no limit at all or an enforced limit. And it’s a hard choice for many Americans, especially politicians. They can’t choose no limit, because that would be unpopular. But they also don’t want to turn away or deport any hard-working people who remind us of our own immigrant ancestors.

Faced with this quandary, President Obama and his supporters are serving up a third choice and couching it as “immigration reform,” which consists of keeping the limit on immigration on the books but not enforcing it. And when we end up with a large number of illegal immigrants, we’ll give them all amnesty. This solution might seem clever, but it’s a formula for more illegal immigration and permanent dysfunction.

How can you tell that a politician has no real policy to address the growing problem of illegal immigration? When all he talks about is maintaining border security and deporting criminals. Who’s not for that? That’s like being for motherhood and apple pie. But border security will never work by itself without policies that deter attempts to enter, such as interior enforcement, given that half or more of illegal immigrants enter legally and simply overstay their temporary visas or entry authorizations.

Critics of Obama’s unilateral executive orders say that it’s unconstitutional for the president to grant work authorization to 5 million illegal immigrants. The administration has countered by insisting that previous presidents have exercised similar power from the White House.

I contend that all the earlier precedents are quite different from President Obama’s orders. “Prosecutorial discretion” — the justification Obama is using for his orders — granted to a single beneficiary or a few beneficiaries based on the particular and unusual facts of individual cases is substantively different from a sweeping rule that changes the legal status of 5 million beneficiaries in one fell swoop.

Previous presidents have indeed exercised prosecutorial discretion in favor of groups of illegal aliens and awarded them employment authorization. But most of those cases involved the exercise of presidential authority over foreign policy, an area where the president’s power has been recognized to be substantial.

The precedent most frequently cited by those who defend Obama’s executive immigration order is a ruling on immigration by President George H. W. Bush in 1990. In this, Bush exercised prosecutorial discretion in favor of a large number of spouses and minor children of immigrants who had benefited from the immigration amnesty enacted by Congress four years earlier, in 1986. President Bush, unlike Obama, was working out the implementation of an amnesty statute already enacted by Congress. Having worked in the first Bush administration, I recall that the administration was in the middle of negotiations with Congress over what became the Immigration Act of 1990, which ratified the administration’s earlier action by creating visas for the spouses and minor children.

We might look to another precedent that applies to Obama’s executive action. In the 1952 Supreme Court decision in Youngstown Sheet & Tube v. Sawyer, known as the Steel Seizure Case, the Court ruled that President Truman did not have the authority on his own to seize a steel factory during the Korean War. Truman wished to avert a threatened work stoppage, but the Court held that he lacked constitutional authority to seize the business. Justice Jackson said in his opinion that the president’s authority is at its greatest when he acts with the express or implied consent of Congress, and it is at its lowest ebb when he acts in defiance of congressional enactments. Truman’s attempted seizure, like Obama’s action on immigration today, lacked congressional support.

Finally, I want to suggest some questions we should be asking of the Obama administration and its supporters.

First, let’s look at American workers. What is the impact of an executive order that adds 5 million or so additional workers to the labor market in America? How does that affect the job prospects of the 9 million unemployed Americans (of whom 2.9 million are long-term unemployed) and the 7 million involuntary part-time workers who want but can’t find full-time work? How does the addition of 5 million workers affect the future prospects for the 46 million Americans, almost one in six, who are receiving food stamps? And how will giving 5 million immigrants work authorization affect the groups with the highest unemployment rates? The official unemployment rate is now 5.8 percent, still high but coming down, but it’s 10.9 percent for African Americans, 18.6 percent for American teenagers, and 32.6 percent for African-American teenagers.

The American economy is growing by adding mainly part-time jobs. Wages remain stagnant, and even employed Americans feel job insecurity. President Obama says that rising income inequality is tearing at the social fabric of America. Indeed, even while wages stagnate, corporate profits are up and the stock market is hitting new record highs seemingly every week. Does adding 5 million more immigrant workers to the legal work force increase or decrease economic inequality?

Second, let’s consider the millions of people abroad who might be considering illegal immigration to the U.S. How does Obama’s granting of work authorization to 5 million illegal immigrants affect them? The poor people of the world may be poor, but they are not stupid. They are as capable as anyone else of using cost-benefit analysis to determine what is in their self-interest. If we want to deter them from illegally immigrating to the U.S., we should raise the costs of doing so — through more enforcement — and we should reduce the benefits. Conversely, if we want to encourage more illegal immigration, we should lower the costs through less enforcement and increase the benefits by providing work authorization — exactly as President Obama has just done in his executive order.

Third, we should ask, What is the impact of Obama’s executive order on qualified legal immigrants to the U.S.? Some of these recently arrived legal immigrants must now compete for jobs with the newly work-authorized 5 million. And what of the hundreds of thousands of qualified immigrants still waiting outside the U.S. for their chance to immigrate legally? The number of immigrant visas available each year is limited — some immigrants eager to come here legally have been waiting outside the U.S. for a visa for more than 20 years. How do they feel when they see that those who entered illegally as recently as five years ago are now rewarded with work authorization and prosecutorial discretion? Does the executive order make them feel like fools for respecting American law instead of violating it?

Finally, as the 2016 presidential-election cycle gets under way, we must ask every candidate to clarify his position on Obama’s executive order. If the Democrats nominate a candidate who supports and pledges to extend and expand the executive order, and if the Republicans nominate someone who pledges to revoke the executive order on the first day of his administration, the American people may have the unprecedented opportunity to vote directly on what our immigration policy ought to be.

— Jan C. Ting is a professor of law at Temple University Beasley School of Law in Philadelphia, where he teaches Citizenship and Immigration Law. He served as Assistant Commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service of the U.S. Department of Justice during the administration of President George H. W. Bush.

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« Reply #55 on: November 24, 2014, 07:15:01 AM »
It is enforceable when you actually attempt to enforce the law.  I don't care if they were in the country for ten years or not dump them over the border and let them apply to legally reenter the country.  Fine the shit out of their kids until they comply.  The kids are harboring fugitives after all.

Obamas plan is not enforceable,  its not comprehensive , its not effective and its not expedient.  He's passing the buck three years down the line. His actions are completely  unnecessary and do nothing to solve the problem of illegal  immigration.

again....NO PRESIDENT has tried to enforce immigration law.....This is done on purpose because our past presidents have bowed to mexican pressure not to enforce...but actually Obama has the best record of enforcement than any other president in terms of actually kicking people out of the country....but of course we conveniently skirt over that point in order to demonize Obama

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« Reply #56 on: November 24, 2014, 07:17:54 AM »
So basically you are surrendering to .gov not doing their job by not enforcing the laws? Brilliant, a few more like you and we can have a king, since there is nothing we can do anyway ::)

I love when you guys start using insults because that proves to me that Im getting to you and you've got nothing else in your argument...NO PRESIDENT either Dem or Repub has EVER ENFORCED THE LAW....Obama has at least deported many more illegals fqr and away than any other president.....but you conveniently overlook that...I wonder why????????????

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« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2014, 07:37:59 AM »
again....NO PRESIDENT has tried to enforce immigration law.....This is done on purpose because our past presidents have bowed to mexican pressure not to enforce...but actually Obama has the best record of enforcement than any other president in terms of actually kicking people out of the country....but of course we conveniently skirt over that point in order to demonize Obama

What you said was that it could not be enforced not that it wasn't being enforced. There is dispute about how accurate Obama's deportation numbers are.  Obama's numbers don't seem consistent with the DHS numbers.  I believe Obama's numbers are overstated for political purposes and the truth is probably somewhere between Obama's estimates and those of the DHS. You also have to consider the executive amnesty he's recently gave to children(most if not all being in their twenties)

Regardless, Obama's plan does nothing to remedy the problem.  Obama's plan isn't any more enforceable than what he currently doesn't seem willing to enforce.  So it's ridiculous to clap for Obama's plan because it accomplishes nothing and its unworkable.  The plan is absent of important detail.  How does one prove they've been in the country for five years?  Do we take their word?  How much evidence is required.  How do we tax and fine them?  Illegals with criminal records aren't going to come forward so claiming background checks will do anything is ridiculous if not down right lying.  Well, how about people who have a criminal record in Mexico?  How do we determine that?  I'd bet my bottom dollar that Obama will include a provision to absolve people of crimes.

Obama and the Democrats controlled the White house and Senate for years but refused to act until now.  Politics aside this is a terrible plan and does nothing.
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« Reply #58 on: November 24, 2014, 07:39:30 AM »
I love when you guys start using insults because that proves to me that Im getting to you and you've got nothing else in your argument...NO PRESIDENT either Dem or Repub has EVER ENFORCED THE LAW....Obama has at least deported many more illegals fqr and away than any other president.....but you conveniently overlook that...I wonder why????????????

I have a good idea - lets deport the 95'ers and replace each w a hot brazialian babe.   Sounds like a good plan to me. 

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« Reply #59 on: November 24, 2014, 07:48:15 AM »
I have a good idea - lets deport the 95'ers and replace each w a hot brazialian babe.   Sounds like a good plan to me. 


un huh...and might as well deport the 39'ers as well

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« Reply #60 on: November 24, 2014, 07:54:28 AM »
What you said was that it could not be enforced not that it wasn't being enforced. There is dispute about how accurate Obama's deportation numbers are.  Obama's numbers don't seem consistent with the DHS numbers.  I believe Obama's numbers are overstated for political purposes and the truth is probably somewhere between Obama's estimates and those of the DHS. You also have to consider the executive amnesty he's recently gave to children(most if not all being in their twenties)

Regardless, Obama's plan does nothing to remedy the problem.  Obama's plan isn't any more enforceable than what he currently doesn't seem willing to enforce.  So it's ridiculous to clap for Obama's plan because it accomplishes nothing and its unworkable.  The plan is absent of important detail.  How does one prove they've been in the country for five years?  Do we take their word?  How much evidence is required.  How do we tax and fine them?  Illegals with criminal records aren't going to come forward so claiming background checks will do anything is ridiculous if not down right lying.  Well, how about people who have a criminal record in Mexico?  How do we determine that?  I'd bet my bottom dollar that Obama will include a provision to absolve people of crimes.

Obama and the Democrats controlled the White house and Senate for years but refused to act until now.  Politics aside this is a terrible plan and does nothing.

well basically it hasn't been enforced because the secret is  IT CANT BE....there are too many illegals in the United States...it costs $29,000 to deport ONE illegal.....

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It would cost us almost 300 billion to deport every single illegal    

and thats only the ones who are here now......no counting how many more would have come in while deporting the initial 10,000.000

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« Reply #61 on: November 24, 2014, 08:08:01 AM »
well basically it hasn't been enforced because the secret is  IT CANT BE....there are too many illegals in the United States...it costs $29,000 to deport ONE illegal.....

10.000,000
X    29,000
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It would cost us almost 300 billion to deport every single illegal     

and thats only the ones who are here now......no counting how many more would have come in while deporting the initial 10,000.000
plenty of ways to get these people to begin deporting themselves, only a brainwashed moron thinks this is the only way to address this situation.

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« Reply #62 on: November 24, 2014, 08:14:43 AM »
well basically it hasn't been enforced because the secret is  IT CANT BE....there are too many illegals in the United States...it costs $29,000 to deport ONE illegal.....

10.000,000
X    29,000
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It would cost us almost 300 billion to deport every single illegal    

and thats only the ones who are here now......no counting how many more would have come in while deporting the initial 10,000.000


It can be enforced.  There is nothing stopping enforcement other than the will to do so.  Fine children of illegals for allowing their parents to stay in the United States, fine companies for hiring illegals(that's already a law on the books).  There are a variety of laws already on the books to facilitate enforcement. 

No one is talking about what happens in three years.  The amnesty(it is amnesty) just doesn't provide a stay of deportation for Conseula's eighty year old grandmother.  Young people  are also offered the ability to stay.  What's going to happen to them in three years?  What happens when the work permits laps or they are no longer employed? The odds are that Obama will offer citizenship in the future but if he doesn't its unlikely that any of these people will willingly leave. Three years from now the problem will be the same if not worse.
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« Reply #63 on: November 24, 2014, 08:16:30 AM »
well basically it hasn't been enforced because the secret is  IT CANT BE....there are too many illegals in the United States...it costs $29,000 to deport ONE illegal.....

10.000,000
X    29,000
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It would cost us almost 300 billion to deport every single illegal     

and thats only the ones who are here now......no counting how many more would have come in while deporting the initial 10,000.000

if you use the FINE system, they self-deport.

If landlords and employers are fined for giving them work/shelter, they stop enabling the lawbreakers.   They leave USA because they cannot find work or shelter.

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« Reply #64 on: November 24, 2014, 08:18:29 AM »
I love when you guys start using insults because that proves to me that Im getting to you and you've got nothing else in your argument...NO PRESIDENT either Dem or Repub has EVER ENFORCED THE LAW....Obama has at least deported many more illegals fqr and away than any other president.....but you conveniently overlook that...I wonder why????????????

What you don't seem to understand is I don't care what happened in the past, I live in the now. When anything is getting to you, you have to go back in time. How long before you bring up George Washington as some sort of justification for the executive branch of the government. You keep saying laws can't be enforced, then what good are they? Lets just open the borders and let every third world parasite in the run the nation into the ground.


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« Reply #65 on: November 24, 2014, 08:25:24 AM »


It can be enforced.  There is nothing stopping enforcement other than the will to do so.  Fine children of illegals for allowing their parents to stay in the United States, fine companies for hiring illegals(that's already a law on the books).  There are a variety of laws already on the books to facilitate enforcement.  

No one is talking about what happens in three years.  The amnesty(it is amnesty) just doesn't provide a stay of deportation for Conseula's eighty year old grandmother.  Young people  are also offered the ability to stay.  What's going to happen to them in three years?  What happens when the work permits laps or they are no longer employed? The odds are that Obama will offer citizenship in the future but if he doesn't its unlikely that any of these people will willingly leave. Three years from now the problem will be the same if not worse.


I would also add that these young people have plenty of time to have children.  What happens in three years when they have young children?  When their work permit expires are we going to send them back?   I doubt it.  This is one of the reasons why Obama's plan is defacto amnesty. They might not even be working? . Now that they have work permits some companies won't hire them anymore because they now have a paper trail.  It's not likely they will be deported employed or not.  Lets say they don't have children. What happens when the work permit expires?  They aren't going to self-deport.  Either its back to the shadows or the more likely scenario where they granted outright amnesty.  The justification for the amnesty being they were in the country for three years and deserve it.
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« Reply #66 on: November 24, 2014, 10:11:16 AM »
well basically it hasn't been enforced because the secret is  IT CANT BE....there are too many illegals in the United States...it costs $29,000 to deport ONE illegal.....

10.000,000
X    29,000
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It would cost us almost 300 billion to deport every single illegal    

and thats only the ones who are here now......no counting how many more would have come in while deporting the initial 10,000.000

Well worth it

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« Reply #68 on: November 24, 2014, 12:31:21 PM »
plenty of ways to get these people to begin deporting themselves, only a brainwashed moron thinks this is the only way to address this situation.

Deport themselves to where?????????...they aint leaving...wishful thinking.....they will only self-deport when there are no jobs.....so how about they enforce the law that sasys businesses cannot hire illegals...funny how no one talks about that..especially Republicans......the fact of teh matter is that the gov't winks at this part of teh law and lets businesses like farms, restaurants and construction hire illegals.....they would ALL self-deport tomorrow if this law was respected

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« Reply #69 on: November 24, 2014, 12:32:50 PM »
Deport themselves to where?????????...they aint leaving...wishful thinking.....they will only self-deport when there are no jobs.....so how about they enforce the law that sasys businesses cannot hire illegals...funny how no one talks about that..especially Republicans......the fact of teh matter is that the gov't winks at this part of teh law and lets businesses like farms, restaurants and construction hire illegals.....they would ALL self-deport tomorrow if this law was respected

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« Reply #70 on: November 24, 2014, 12:35:59 PM »


It can be enforced.  There is nothing stopping enforcement other than the will to do so.  Fine children of illegals for allowing their parents to stay in the United States, fine companies for hiring illegals(that's already a law on the books).  There are a variety of laws already on the books to facilitate enforcement. 

No one is talking about what happens in three years.  The amnesty(it is amnesty) just doesn't provide a stay of deportation for Conseula's eighty year old grandmother.  Young people  are also offered the ability to stay.  What's going to happen to them in three years?  What happens when the work permits laps or they are no longer employed? The odds are that Obama will offer citizenship in the future but if he doesn't its unlikely that any of these people will willingly leave. Three years from now the problem will be the same if not worse.


well exactly.....Obama didn't get us into this mess.....its due to the inaction of congress and the lack of will by both parties to enforce existing laws......Obama had to take some kind of action because Hispanics and Asians are his constituency..you can't blame him for that.....Even Bush wanted immigration reform and was rejected by his own party.....the fact is the republicans keep stalling and refuse to do ANYTHING on this issue....yet they had time to take votes to repeal Obamacare about 30-40 times

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« Reply #71 on: November 24, 2014, 12:36:57 PM »
if you use the FINE system, they self-deport.

If landlords and employers are fined for giving them work/shelter, they stop enabling the lawbreakers.   They leave USA because they cannot find work or shelter.

EXACTLY

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« Reply #72 on: November 24, 2014, 12:37:14 PM »
well exactly.....Obama didn't get us into this mess.....its due to the inaction of congress and the lack of will by both parties to enforce existing laws......Obama had to take some kind of action because Hispanics and Asians are his constituency..you can't blame him for that.....Even Bush wanted immigration reform and was rejected by his own party.....the fact is the republicans keep stalling and refuse to do ANYTHING on this issue....yet they had time to take votes to repeal Obamacare about 30-40 times


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« Reply #73 on: November 24, 2014, 12:41:43 PM »
What you don't seem to understand is I don't care what happened in the past, I live in the now. When anything is getting to you, you have to go back in time. How long before you bring up George Washington as some sort of justification for the executive branch of the government. You keep saying laws can't be enforced, then what good are they? Lets just open the borders and let every third world parasite in the run the nation into the ground.


Can't stop people from stealing, unenforceable, blanket amnesty for thieves.
Can't stop people from speeding, unenforceable, abolish speed limits
Can't stop people from killing, unenforceable, implement the "purge"


what i'm trying to say to you is that WE HAVE ALREADY HAD DEFACTO AMNESTY......president Obama has arrested and deported record numbers of illegals yet the tide hasn't turned and they JUST KEEP ON COMING.....enforcement is difficult because we are overwhelmed.....why use precious resources to go after parents and grandmothers with children in schoool, and who work and stay out of trouble???...we don't have the time or money to go after everyone....so lets focus on the most dangerous....the republicans complain but have taken NO ACTION of solving this issue

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Re: PRESIDENT OBAMA'S AMAZING IMMIGRATION ACTION
« Reply #74 on: November 24, 2014, 12:44:34 PM »
what i'm trying to say to you is that WE HAVE ALREADY HAD DEFACTO AMNESTY......president Obama has arrested and deported record numbers of illegals yet the tide hasn't turned and they JUST KEEP ON COMING.....enforcement is difficult because we are overwhelmed.....why use precious resources to go after parents and grandmothers with children in schoool, and who work and stay out of trouble???...we don't have the time or money to go after everyone....so lets focus on the most dangerous....the republicans complain but have taken NO ACTION of solving this issue

They keep coming because we don't enforce the law in any meaningful way.