Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)

[The True Adonis]

[The True Adonis]

[ritch]

It's not just food, it's a combo of food and insulin

The abuse of them.

[The True Adonis]

[The True Adonis]

[The True Adonis]

On cycle!

Not even close.  

He is 6'3 at 167

[The True Adonis]

He has come off here for about 3-4 weeks to pass test, month or more he will shrivel to nothingness

You have no clue what you are talking about at all.

[The True Adonis]

I know EXACTLY what I am talking about, you don't get that skin quality that he has when natty, he is billion percent on GH.

You are being a moron.

[_aj_]

This Joon/TA conversation is fascinating. One wonders how long they can keep the mindless volley going.

[The True Adonis]

[The True Adonis]

[The True Adonis]

I am NOT.

You are being very gullible!
You keep associating suspected gear use with weight and height ratios, I already told you its not simple like that and doesn't work the way u think.  

You got fat fuck 300lb power lifters who look like sack of shit, who look like junior sumo wrestler running 4g a week and u can never tell they are on gear.
You got fake natty 150lbs twinks running 1g-1.5g who look ripped and hold muscle who u seem to think are natty just cos they are lightweights  

Start looking at the quality of the muscle, the fullness, the hardness, the skin quality....only trained eye can tell.....you've said yourself u don't know much about juicing so your not good person to judge this shit.

Out of all the pics and vids u posted today, not one single natty is to be found I can tell 9 times out of ten what compound they even running.

So far all I see is anavar, winny, low dose tren, EQ and GH

[The True Adonis]

Joon,

You should set a date and time frame to get to 5 percent bodyfat.  I think you can do it and I am curious to see how it ends up.  Are you up for it?  I am going to Auschwitz levels shortly as well.  I am about 169 right now and will go to about 155-160.  Where are you at right now?

[TheShape.]

This Joon/TA conversation is fascinating. One wonders how long they can keep the mindless volley going.

X2, at this point this thread makes me want to put a plunger in my ass

[The True Adonis]

I think its great idea. I've put on alot of muscle since last year and upped my doses quite a bit etc.

Right now I am around 215lb, BF 17-20%, 18 inch guns unpumped.
I wanna peak by June/July time for the summer.

I think 5% is crazy low for me.

I am still trying to add more mass, trying to bring up back and chest, traps and forearms. I have no traps it sucks 
Not worried about arms, legs or shoulders.

My goal is 200lb at 10% or less.....although I would still be very happy at 190lb, 10%.

I would rather come in heavy as possible at 10-12% tops than totally chiseled at lighter weight cos its not like I competing or anything and wanna look good in clothes too.

You have enough mass.  Shift the gear now to lean mode that way you won't have to play catchup.  Stop chasing the mass dream.  Mass looks awful anyways. 

[TommyBoy]

That chart is a troll, right?

[O.Z.]

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I agree.  With all the drugs you are on, I don`t think you could be 160 lbs in single digit bodyfat honestly.

kid looks very good

[Julio Ceasar]

kid looks very good

I like this kid, been watching the other videos he got. Seem pretty clever at that age, havent illusional and fooled by the industri hardcore shit! Look better than 99.9% at the gym!

[che]

If that's you in the pics ,

Holy fuck you are retarded .

[NotMrAverage]

That look like a lean midsection to you?

Guys here just can't accept how light they would be truly lean and natty.

Very true!!! Shiiiit how much weight u loose to be competition ready! People think they are ready when they still have atleast 10kg/22pounds to loose. Most people cant handle getting into real shape because there is nothing of them left. And thats even on roids.

[che]

Looking fwd to seeing an ab shot of you that lean. Could be impressive?

Here's my deal after reading/posting in these  recent threads.
1. I'm gonna STFU , finally stick with a damn basic diet, train  and drop a bunch of fat over the next 6 months.
2. I'll compete in an over 50 NPC contest and post the pics here on getbig.

I'll post the "cliff notes" of what I did for training and diet. Plus, you folks know I use Androgel for my test levels ,so wtf  I'm56 and fat right now .

Let's go for it TA!

You will never, ever compete  again , because you are a lazy fat fuck that's nothing without drugs.

[Bevo]

Not nearly enough width and horrible calfs.
Not close to classic lines and balance.

He's not competing in a bbing show, who cares. The guy is 6'3, taller than every top bber in the world and doesn't have to look like a walking pharmacy

[smoothasf]

Unfortunately mandar is right, this is hgh.  I'm constantly around people who take hgh and you see the difference in skin quite obviously.  he's also on winstrol and low low test.   
The best bodybuilder I Know eats good and trains all year round, off gear he looks like a regular shape guy with big arms who's abs are only obvious when flexed. Less than 10% all year round, but a hgh 8% is totally different from a natty 8%. On hgh muscles pop out from the skin before flexed.

[njflex]

Unfortunately mandar is right, this is hgh.  I'm constantly around people who take hgh and you see the difference in skin quite obviously.  he's also on winstrol and low low test.   
The best bodybuilder I Know eats good and trains all year round, off gear he looks like a regular shape guy with big arms who's abs are only obvious when flexed. Less than 10% all year round, but a hgh 8% is totally different from a natty 8%. On hgh muscles pop out from the skin before flexed.

good pic of this guy here..skin pressed to lean tissue like that is not natural'condition wise obtainable'without something..

[thegamechanger]

Doesn't matter to me what he competes in.
He's fit and lean but I'm not that impressed with his physique.
Biggest problem is that he lacks a width and a V taper.

are you suggesting that its not all about weight but also proportions and symmetry