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Primemuscle · « **Reply #6500 on:** February 03, 2015, 07:36:26 PM »

I trained my patience today. 5 hours of highway driving on an Interstate Hwy can really do this for a person. The good news is I made the round trip with no mishaps and extensive use of cruise control. After today, if I ever loss the use of my legs, I am convinced I could get around using the hand controls on the steering wheel.

My wife saw her primary care physician today. No one is sure what happened last Sunday when she lost consciousness for about 20 minutes, but it seems very possible it is related to a lack of oxygen. Her lungs are full of fluid which her body is retaining because her kidneys aren't working. Interestingly, unlike in the past, her legs are not retaining that much fluid.

The doctor is going to set us up with hospice. There was mention of a hospital bed which we both feel we need to think about. The advantage is her being able to elevate while sleeping. The disadvantage is that hospital beds aren't comfortable and also where to put it. If we set it up in the guest room, it is a slightly longer walk to the toilet than the master bedroom which has an en-suite.

I hope to make it to the gym tomorrow. Hopefully there will be no unexpected events to keep me from going. I really need to unwind and to work my deltoids.

njflex · « **Reply #6501 on:** February 04, 2015, 05:31:36 AM »

CHEST @HOME

SEATED CHEST PRESS X4
INC DB 60LBER X3 ..
INC FLYES X3 'DID THESE DIFFERENT INSTEAD KNUCKLES FACING AT END HAD HANDS FACING LIKE A PRESS SO DBBELL TOPS TOUCH.\
SUPERSET FLATE FLYES 45'S WITH BAR PULLOVERS X3
PUSHUPS X2 X20 FINISH

TRIS
FRONT PUSHDOWNS X4
CLOSE GRIP DUMBELL PRESS X3
DB LYING TRICEP 'HAMMER EXTENSIONS X3
DBELL BEHIND HEAD EXTENSIONS X2

ABS

Donny · « **Reply #6502 on:** February 04, 2015, 06:20:59 AM »

Legs yesterday was..

One legged squats holding Dumbbell 3 sets per leg
leg curls feet flexed towards shins 3 sets
Seated leg press 3 sets
Stiff legged Deadlifts 3 sets
Power leg extensions Gironda style 3 sets

Decided to do some one legged squats standing on the platform behind the incline bench holding on with one hand on a Barbell. Wish we had a Hammer unilateral leg press. I liked that machine. Nice burn from these and i did 15 reps each set. 3 sets was enough. no cardio my legs were fried. Never worked calfs i had no time. I have experimented with toes pointed on the leg curl as it is alleged it hits the gastrocnemius. Hope i spelt that correct

oldtimer1 · « **Reply #6503 on:** February 04, 2015, 06:23:36 AM »

Quote from: Primemuscle on February 03, 2015, 07:36:26 PM

I trained my patience today. 5 hours of highway driving on an Interstate Hwy can really do this for a person. The good news is I made the round trip with no mishaps and extensive use of cruise control. After today, if I ever loss the use of my legs, I am convinced I could get around using the hand controls on the steering wheel.

My wife saw her primary care physician today. No one is sure what happened last Sunday when she lost consciousness for about 20 minutes, but it seems very possible it is related to a lack of oxygen. Her lungs are full of fluid which her body is retaining because her kidneys aren't working. Interestingly, unlike in the past, her legs are not retaining that much fluid.

The doctor is going to set us up with hospice. There was mention of a hospital bed which we both feel we need to think about. The advantage is her being able to elevate while sleeping. The disadvantage is that hospital beds aren't comfortable and also where to put it. If we set it up in the guest room, it is a slightly longer walk to the toilet than the master bedroom which has an en-suite.

I hope to make it to the gym tomorrow. Hopefully there will be no unexpected events to keep me from going. I really need to unwind and to work my deltoids.

Isn't fluid in the lungs a sign of congestive heart failure too? Is she on dialysis? Maybe her depression will lift if they gets the toxins out of her blood with dialysis. Choosing death by refusing dialysis may be her choice but is it with a clear head or is it clouded from sickness that not going through dialysis is causing? Sorry for voicing opinions where I should just be giving comfort. Of course I don't know what she is going through. Prayers for you, your family and your wife.

Primemuscle · « **Reply #6504 on:** February 04, 2015, 01:23:03 PM »

Quote from: oldtimer1 on February 04, 2015, 06:23:36 AM

Isn't fluid in the lungs a sign of congestive heart failure too? Is she on dialysis? Maybe her depression will lift if they gets the toxins out of her blood with dialysis. Choosing death by refusing dialysis may be her choice but is it with a clear head or is it clouded from sickness that not going through dialysis is causing? Sorry for voicing opinions where I should just be giving comfort. Of course I don't know what she is going through. Prayers for you, your family and your wife.

Your questions are valid. She agreed to have a shunt installed in her arm for dialysis. This was done about 6 months ago. When she agreed to this, she made it absolutely clear that she was only doing this to appease our daughter and me. Since that time she's repeatedly stated that she does not want to be on permanent dialysis. Most of the time, she's very clear headed. She is also very strong willed and stubborn.

She has congestive heart failure. Yes, this is partly why she's retaining water. She is also retaining water because her kidney function is a 10% or less. She also has type II diabetes, a non functioning thyroid, severe arthritis, which results in he being in constant pain. She is extremely anemic. She has to have infusions every two weeks to help make red blood cells.

The list is long and she's been quite ill for at least the last 10 years. She's just sick of being sick. I don't believe she wants to die, she just doesn't want to live if living means living in misery and pain. She's worn out emotionally and physically. My wife is 72 years old. She's lived a good life all-in-all.

njflex · « **Reply #6505 on:** February 04, 2015, 01:31:30 PM »

Quote from: Primemuscle on February 04, 2015, 01:23:03 PM

Your questions are valid. She agreed to have a shunt installed in her arm for dialysis. This was done about 6 months ago. When she agreed to this, she made it absolutely clear that she was only doing this to appease our daughter and me. Since that time she's repeatedly stated that she does not want to be on permanent dialysis. Most of the time, she's very clear headed. She is also very strong willed and stubborn.

She has congestive heart failure. Yes, this is partly why she's retaining water. She is also retaining water because her kidney function is a 10% or less. She also has type II diabetes, a non functioning thyroid, severe arthritis, which results in he being in constant pain. She is extremely anemic. She has to have infusions every two weeks to help make red blood cells.

The list is long and she's been quite ill for at least the last 10 years. She's just sick of being sick. I don't believe she wants to die, she just doesn't want to live if living means living in misery and pain. She's worn out emotionally and physically. My wife is 72 years old. She's lived a good life all-in-all.

I KNOW LIFE IS TRICKY,,AND GOOD HEALTH CAN CHANGE IN A WHIM,,I STILL HATE HEARING THINGS LIKE THIS JAY,,,SAD TO BE BROKEN PHYSICALLY AND OR MENTALLY.I GET UPSET IF I CAN'T REP A WEIGHT WK TO WK ,I CAN ONLY IMAGINE YOUR PAIN..YOUR UPBEAT AND REALLY CARING 'GOOD FAMILY MAN'OVERALL..

Primemuscle · « **Reply #6506 on:** February 04, 2015, 01:53:30 PM »

Quote from: njflex on February 04, 2015, 01:31:30 PM

I KNOW LIFE IS TRICKY,,AND GOOD HEALTH CAN CHANGE IN A WHIM,,I STILL HATE HEARING THINGS LIKE THIS JAY,,,SAD TO BE BROKEN PHYSICALLY AND OR MENTALLY.I GET UPSET IF I CAN'T REP A WEIGHT WK TO WK ,I CAN ONLY IMAGINE YOUR PAIN..YOUR UPBEAT AND REALLY CARING 'GOOD FAMILY MAN'OVERALL..

Her health issues are partly due to poor genetics, some bad luck and also a result of her having not done the very thing many others do to stay healthy, such as watch our diets and exercise regularly....in other words, look after herself. To my wife's credit, she's never been a drinker and she quit smoking when she was in her late 40's. She's led a clean and wholesome life.

Steve, keep exercising and doing whatever it takes to be as fit and healthy as possible. There may be no guarantees in life, but taking a positive approach to managing one's health is very productive and the process is gratifying because the rewards are obvious. Not only do folks who exercise, eat reasonably clean and lead good lives look better, they feel better too.

oldtimer1 · « **Reply #6507 on:** February 04, 2015, 02:03:43 PM »

Prime, Your emotional pain must be through the roof. I feel bad for the major health issues your wife is going through.

Primemuscle · « **Reply #6508 on:** February 04, 2015, 02:09:27 PM »

Quote from: oldtimer1 on February 04, 2015, 02:03:43 PM

Prime, Your emotional pain must be through the roof. I feel bad for the major health issues your wife is going through.

We have a wonderful family and great friends who are our support team. It really helps that my wife and I aren't weathering this storm alone.

When my wife was having a seizure in the car on the way to breakfast last Sunday, it was surreal. After my daughter jumped in the car to help, I snapped to and drove safely and quickly to the emergency room. There wasn't much room for emotions. Sometimes we just go into "auto pilot" mode.

njflex · « **Reply #6509 on:** February 04, 2015, 07:54:38 PM »

back
chins wide x2 x12 inner grip x2 x10
tbar row 2 plates and 25/3/3 plates and 25 ..10/10/10
cable low row 180/180/180 was pumped and pretty tought o increase poundage
pulldown close grip reverse x3
rope pulls to waist standing x3

weighted hypers x3

bis
culrs premade bar 70/80/80 higher reps 12 per set
hammer curls arm crossing across body 'angle'40/45/45 dbell
seated curl machine x3
rope curls bottom portion to below mid point x3 'lower bicep/top forman pump

abs

njflex · « **Reply #6510 on:** February 05, 2015, 07:59:54 PM »

delts

front press 135-165,,4 sets total

trisets 'blast'25 lb db side/fr/rear raisesx3

cable upright x3

cable raise hands in rear x3

shrugs x3 225-295
rear shrugs x3 using chest machine 3 plates/4/5

calves drops 4 sets per standing calf raise x3

forarms rope rolls x3
reverse wrist cable curl x4

The Scott · « **Reply #6511 on:** February 05, 2015, 08:04:58 PM »

It took five sets of progressively "heavier" weight for me to get to my one working set on DB laterals for my shoulders. From there I tried out the Smith Machine for shoulder presses, following the same pattern but for two warm ups and one working set.

Next, three sets of twenty reps for curls done in a non-stop fashion followed by one working set of alternate DB curls.

On to triceps and three progressively heavier sets of close grip machine bench presses followed by one working set and then one set of bodyweight dips.

One warm up and one working set of machine sit ups. Finished.

Primemuscle · « **Reply #6512 on:** February 05, 2015, 08:14:33 PM »

Quote from: The Scott on February 05, 2015, 08:04:58 PM

It took five sets of progressively "heavier" weight for me to get to my one working set on DB laterals for my shoulders. From there I tried out the Smith Machine for shoulder presses, following the same pattern but for two warm ups and one working set.

Next, three sets of twenty reps for curls done in a non-stop fashion followed by one working set of alternate DB curls.

On to triceps and three progressively heavier sets of close grip machine bench presses followed by one working set and then one set of bodyweight dips.

One warm up and one working set of machine sit ups. Finished.

I generally go heavier on shoulder presses regardless of the equipment used and I do them at the onset of my shoulder routine. I've found for me doing side laterals with really lite resistance and a very controlled movement actually produces more pump then doing them with heavier weights. Of course we all respond differently to exercise.

Primemuscle · « **Reply #6513 on:** February 05, 2015, 08:26:07 PM »

I had the second of two day long meetings this week that I could not get out of. I've cancelled a third out of town meeting coming up this Saturday because I don't think I should be gone three days this week leaving my daughter and her husband to assume responsibility for my wife's care.

My wife did okay today. According to our daughter, she forgot where I was several times and asked for me. It's disconcerting that she's losing touch a little. It is part of renal failure though. When the toxins build up in one's system, it can cause confusion.

We're watching television tonight (as usual). She seems fairly copacetic right now. I've talked with her about the possibility of her allowing dialysis. She's not making a commitment. Hospice is going to contact me tomorrow regarding hospice care.

I apologize for hijacking this thread with these personal posts. I really need to off-load my feelings and experiences right now and you all have been so supportive of our situation. I really appreciate it. If it is becoming a problem, please let me know.

All you all are the bomb!

Donny · « **Reply #6514 on:** February 06, 2015, 01:15:12 AM »

Quote from: Primemuscle on February 05, 2015, 08:26:07 PM

I had the second of two day long meetings this week that I could not get out of. I've cancelled a third out of town meeting coming up this Saturday because I don't think I should be gone three days this week leaving my daughter and her husband to assume responsibility for my wife's care.

My wife did okay today. According to our daughter, she forgot where I was several times and asked for me. It's disconcerting that she's losing touch a little. It is part of renal failure though. When the toxins build up in one's system, it can cause confusion.

We're watching television tonight (as usual). She seems fairly copacetic right now. I've talked with her about the possibility of her allowing dialysis. She's not making a commitment. Hospice is going to contact me tomorrow regarding hospice care.

I apologize for hijacking this thread with these personal posts. I really need to off-load my feelings and experiences right now and you all have been so supportive of our situation. I really appreciate it. If it is becoming a problem, please let me know.

All you all are the bomb!

Jay the Boys on here are thinking about you and your wife. I am sure Karen too, she has a good Heart too.

Donny · « **Reply #6515 on:** February 06, 2015, 01:24:23 AM »

Did an Early morning workout and cardio today. Working a bit later on today. prefer training later on in the Day but just the way it goes.

Arms...
BB curls 3 sets
incline curls 3 sets
one arm DB spider curls 3 sets

lying DB extensions 3 sets
incline ez bar extensions 3 sets
one arm cable kickbacks 3 sets
Standing calf raises on the smith machine 5 sets

Doing the spider curls i got some funny looks. a lot of young guys don´t know what they are. probably thought i did not know how to use a preacher bench...

Cardio was mixed, 15 mins crosser,15 mins bike,10 mins rowing.

The Scott · « **Reply #6516 on:** February 06, 2015, 05:39:59 PM »

Quote from: Primemuscle on February 05, 2015, 08:26:07 PM

...I apologize for hijacking this thread with these personal posts. I really need to off-load my feelings and experiences right now and you all have been so supportive of our situation. I really appreciate it. If it is becoming a problem, please let me know.

All you all are the bomb!

You cannot hijack that which is given freely. Love, friendship, training and more. This is a thread amongst friends and it is about life. You and your wife are a part of our lives. We can only watch from a distance but that does not mean we do not hold you both close in our hearts.

Make no mistake, I am no "man of God". There are none to be found. But...We are all His children. Some more prodigal than others. If we but ask from within, at that moment we shall know His love and the peace of the promise.

The Lord make His face to shine upon you and your wife.

Primemuscle · « **Reply #6517 on:** February 06, 2015, 11:05:44 PM »

Quote from: The Scott on February 06, 2015, 05:39:59 PM

You cannot hijack that which is given freely. Love, friendship, training and more. This is a thread amongst friends and it is about life. You and your wife are a part of our lives. We can only watch from a distance but that does not mean we do not hold you both close in our hearts.

Make no mistake, I am no "man of God". There are none to be found. But...We are all His children. Some more prodigal than others. If we but ask from within, at that moment we shall know His love and the peace of the promise.

The Lord make His face to shine upon you and your wife.

I am please to report that after interviewing hospice this afternoon, my wife has decided to keep up the fight for awhile longer. She has agreed to at least give dialysis a try if that is in order.

oldtimer1 · « **Reply #6518 on:** February 07, 2015, 06:11:41 AM »

That is great news. Maybe after a couple of weeks of blood cleaning she will start to feel better and her her health will improve. Is a kidney transplant in the future an option?

Donny · « **Reply #6519 on:** February 07, 2015, 07:36:23 AM »

Great News Jay...

The Scott · « **Reply #6520 on:** February 07, 2015, 11:11:30 AM »

Quote from: Primemuscle on February 06, 2015, 11:05:44 PM

I am please to report that after interviewing hospice this afternoon, my wife has decided to keep up the fight for awhile longer. She has agreed to at least give dialysis a try if that is in order.

Good news and I wish the both of you all the best!

Primemuscle · « **Reply #6521 on:** February 07, 2015, 12:41:14 PM »

Quote from: oldtimer1 on February 07, 2015, 06:11:41 AM

That is great news. Maybe after a couple of weeks of blood cleaning she will start to feel better and her her health will improve. Is a kidney transplant in the future an option?

A kidney transplant is not likely. My wife isn't healthy enough to survive that or any other major surgery at this point. Dialysis won't change this. Dialysis will hopefully improve her quality of life by making her feel better. If she doesn't pass from kidney failure, she will likely die of congestive heart failure. At this point she is retaining water, mainly in her lungs which affects her oxygen saturation levels. To help counter this, she uses oxygen 24/7 with a pretty high flow rate of 4.

Before she begins dialysis, her nephrologists will assess whether it is time to do this. Although her kidney function is at 10% she is still making urine. The doctor mentioned she has one patient who has been at 7% function for over a year and has not begun dialysis. Every case or person is different.

She seems to be in pretty good spirits today. We got up early (for us) at 10:00 a.m. I fixed oatmeal at her request. She ate a decent sized amount. So he appetite is good at the moment. She also ate a pretty good dinner last night. Again I fixed lamb per her request. I baked one potato of which she ate 1/4 with me eating the rest. Along with this we had salad with a lot of raw vegetables in it.

We are both taking things a day at a time. That's pretty much all we can do.

oldtimer1 · « **Reply #6522 on:** February 07, 2015, 01:33:28 PM »

Prime, I hope things improve.

Today I trained delts and triceps. I have a lot of problems with my shoulder and doing rotator cuff exercises helps. What I found really helped was old fashion stretching. I do 4 stretches for my shoulders and they have really responded. I thought rotator cuff exercises would be what saved my shoulders and it turned out stretching did more for the pain I was feeling. Go figure.

I rested about a hour and went to the park for a run. It's one mile around the park on an asphalt path. The weather has been brutal here in NJ but today it was about 43F and sunny. Ran for 3 miles and started to really feel it on the last half mile. Drove home from the run blasting a Tom Jones CD on my sound system with the windows down. Don't judge me.

Donny · « **Reply #6523 on:** February 07, 2015, 02:21:35 PM »

rich ...Tom jones was a real ladies man in his prime

Charlys69 · « **Reply #6524 on:** February 07, 2015, 11:08:50 PM »

escaping from "european-winter" for some weeks.....training now in Thailand (holidays....32 Degree, mostly sunny....)

2 days ago i trained back

12 minutes cardio.....

1. warm-up with 2 lighter sets of lat pulldown for 4 sets of chinups...just with Bodyweight (251 lbs. 2 days ago, 6 "2", 51 1/2 yrs old),
2 Bent-over rows, 4 sets
3. superset pullover followed by Hammer-Strength Dorian Yates lat pulldown, 4 supersets
4. seated rows, 2 high-rep sets
5. 2 sets of stiff legged deadlift

yesterday i only did cardio + 10 Supersets of Dumbell curls + Triceps extensions....The first 3-4 sets where warm-up sets....clip 5 minutes after training
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=895283527190808&set=vb.100001275061104&type=3&theater