The Mature thread

[oldtimer1]

Happy Easter everyone. My wife made seafood risotto with clams, shrimp, scallops and other stuff. She also made a turkey with stuffing for some of the foolish seafood hating guesses. She wrapped asparagus cooked in garlic with bacon. The best was the Italian Easter pie. It had prosciutto, capicola, bacon, and italian cheeses in it. Home stuffed cannoli and ice cream sundaes for desert.  Italian and California wines were uncorked. There is no way you can have an Italian wife and be ripped.  

Church was packed and the Priest said I hope to see everyone more than twice a year. 

[oldtimer1]

Our granddaughter, whose wedding I went to last summer in Uettingen, Germany, is pregnant. The baby is due next November. If all goes well, my wife and I will be great-grandparents. How wild is that?

Our son arrives here from Germany for a visit with us. We are looking forward to Easter with family and friends. He'll probably only be here about a week before he has to go to either Ohio or D.C. for some business meetings.

My wife is doing well on dialysis. She's much more alert. She's actually awake and doing things most of the day lately. There's a possibility she will be able to discontinue dialysis soon because her lab work suggests that her kidney's have regained some function. From what I could find out this is rare, but it does sometimes happen.

Never heard of someone going off of dialysis before. Just great news. My daughters are in the medical field. I have to ask them. My kidneys were borderline bad but the doctor told me it was the result of taking creatine and protein powder. I thought that sounded nuts and of course I did my own internet research. In the end I stopped both supplements and what do you know? My kidney tests came back perfect. Maybe the doc knows something. LOL.

[njflex]

Happy Easter everyone. My wife made seafood risotto with clams, shrimp, scallops and other stuff. She also made a turkey with stuffing for some of the foolish seafood hating guesses. She wrapped asparagus cooked in garlic with bacon. The best was the Italian Easter pie. It had prosciutto, capicola, bacon, and italian cheeses in it. Home stuffed cannoli and ice cream sundaes for desert.  Italian and California wines were uncorked. There is no way you can have an Italian wife and be ripped.  

Church was packed and the Priest said I hope to see everyone more than twice a year. 

NICE....WE ORDERED OUT THIS YEAR WIFE WORKED 12 NITE SHIFT NIGHT BEFORE...I HAD SAME DISH SORTA FRUTTI DI MARE WITH LINGUINI..

[Primemuscle]

Never heard of someone going off of dialysis before. Just great news. My daughters are in the medical field. I have to ask them. My kidneys were borderline bad but the doctor told me it was the result of taking creatine and protein powder. I thought that sounded nuts and of course I did my own internet research. In the end I stopped both supplements and what do you know? My kidney tests came back perfect. Maybe the doc knows something. LOL.

Interesting information about the Creatine and protein powder. I've not heard this before. I sometimes use creatine and will supplement a meal or have a snack meal by drinking a protein drink. I don't overdo it though. My wife's kidneys are chronic because she has had type II diabetes for many years. High blood pressure can also cause kidney failure. Mine must be okay since I have regular blood work done and it always comes back fine.

[njflex]

chest
fdb press..60 x12....75/80/85/90
decline x3
inc press x4 135/185
cable crossovers x3
dips x2x20

tris
skull crushers x3 premade curl bar 60/70/80
reverse grip pushdowns x3
rope downs x3
close grip x2 185

abs

[Donny]

legs today

Front squats 4x10-15
BB Hack squats 4x10-15
seated leg curls 4 x10-15
Stiff legged deadlifts 4x10-15
seated calf raises 5x15-20

Abs; crunches 3x max with heels on a flat bench. no cardio. relatively high reps on legs

[oldtimer1]

Interesting information about the Creatine and protein powder. I've not heard this before. I sometimes use creatine and will supplement a meal or have a snack meal by drinking a protein drink. I don't overdo it though. My wife's kidneys are chronic because she has had type II diabetes for many years. High blood pressure can also cause kidney failure. Mine must be okay since I have regular blood work done and it always comes back fine.

Not saying it's bad for everyone. It was a problem for me though. I could have calmed my fears that the high creatinine was just a by product of creatine supplement use throwing off my tests but why play with fire? The kidneys do filter the blood.  The majority can take protein shake after protein shake without problems but for me I will stop using it.

[Primemuscle]

Not saying it's bad for everyone. It was a problem for me though. I could have calmed my fears that the high creatinine was just a by product of creatine supplement use throwing off my tests but why play with fire? The kidneys do filter the blood.  The majority can take protein shake after protein shake without problems but for me I will stop using it.

It seems heavy lifting might raise creatinine levels.

Jordan R Moon · United States Sports Academy

Creatinine and creatine/muscle creatine are not the same thing. Remember that creatine is found in meat products, or more specifically, in muscle that we eat. Most men on a normal diet get a bunch of creatine in their diet. However, high levels of creatinine can be associated with kidney problems and if an athlete has kidney problems they probably shouldn't be using creatine, but it depends on the problems. THAT BEING SAID, the high creatinine level of 1.4 is only slightly higher than the normal range of 1.27. Most likely the high creatinine levels are related to his heavy lifting and not the creatine supplementation. Remember that a by-product of heavy lifting is creatinine which is created when creatine is broken down in the muscle to produce energy, whats left is creatinine which is passed through the kidneys and excreted.

http://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_the_effect_of_creatine_supplementation_on_creatinine_levels_as_measured_in_blood_tests

[Donny]

Back ..

front chins 4 x max
Close grip underhand chins 3x max
Machine rows 4 sets
Barbell pull overs 3 sets

leg raises off flat bench 2x 50 Cardio Running

[oldtimer1]

It seems heavy lifting might raise creatinine levels.

Jordan R Moon · United States Sports Academy http://www.researchgate.net/post/What_is_the_effect_of_creatine_supplementation_on_creatinine_levels_as_measured_in_blood_tests

Thanks for that. Never heard of the United States Sports Academy before. Is it a real college with a campus? I did think the heavy lifting and the creatine I was taking was throwing my kidney tests off by making the by product of creatinine.  Just found even with heavy lifting my kidney tests came back perfect without the creatine and whey protein.  I do have a strong suspicion that maybe whey protein had little to do with it and it was the supplemental creatine causing a high creatinin measure that is used to check kidney function.

[Primemuscle]

Thanks for that. Never heard of the United States Sports Academy before. Is it a real college with a campus? I did think the heavy lifting and the creatine I was taking was throwing my kidney tests off by making the by product of creatinine.  Just found even with heavy lifting my kidney tests came back perfect without the creatine and whey protein.  I do have a strong suspicion that maybe whey protein had little to do with it and it was the supplemental creatine causing a high creatinin measure that is used to check kidney function.

Well, it's not Princeton....LOL! It does appear to be accredited though. http://ussa.edu/about/accreditation/

[njflex]

back
chins wide x2 inner x2
tbar row elevated version body supported underhand grip,, plate and 25,,2 plates ..2 plates 10 and 2 plates 2 10's
behind pulldowns x3
cable pulley low row x3 180/195/210
rope pulls standing to waist pulldowns x3

weighted hypersx3

shrugs 135 x20/225x15.275 x 12,315x12
cable side shrugs x3

abs 5 sets 30 on lying crunch machine

calves drops standing calf raise x3 40 rep sets

[chaos]

Any of you guys into lifting heavy? Seems like everyone here is into pump and fitness.

[Donny]

weather is great today.. sun is shining 

shoulder tri set..

front,side,rear raises 4 sets
 
Seated DB press 4 sets
close grip Barbell upright rows 4 sets

standing calf raises 5 sets. Cardio was a cycle to a cafe for an ice cream

[njflex]

Any of you guys into lifting heavy? Seems like everyone here is into pump and fitness.

post a typical workout weight/set/rep ranges...close or exact.

[chaos]

post a typical workout weight/set/rep ranges...close or exact.

Really depends, usually I do a heavy lift first then the rest 10 rep lifts. Example would be back day today. ...I will go to 635-675 on rack pulls, then 8-10 reps on other lifts.
I ask because I wonder if there was a certain age or an event that happened were people decide to back of and refocus their efforts.

[Donny]

Really depends, usually I do a heavy lift first then the rest 10 rep lifts. Example would be back day today. ...I will go to 635-675 on rack pulls, then 8-10 reps on other lifts.
I ask because I wonder if there was a certain age or an event that happened were people decide to back of and refocus their efforts.

also depends what you are training for like other sports for example martial arts training.depends how you define "Hard and Heavy". I know guys who train "Hard and Heavy" but are far from my idea of all round fitness because although i might not train so heavy i am also training "Hard". lifting heavy weights is not everything.

[njflex]

Really depends, usually I do a heavy lift first then the rest 10 rep lifts. Example would be back day today. ...I will go to 635-675 on rack pulls, then 8-10 reps on other lifts.
I ask because I wonder if there was a certain age or an event that happened were people decide to back of and refocus their efforts.

how many working sets or execises do you do for back,i did 17 sets for back and 5 exercises,i know by now your muscles will grow on anything 'meaning focusing on say rows for thickness or chins for width theory 'is relative ,but you can still perform exercises to focus on little areas of the upper/mid/lower back ,I still go heavy on bent over rows for me'225/265 range 'most people can never ever do that,'we are not talking about hardcore magazine pros'who can toss 315/405 like nothing...I don't post the cable weights I use cause I usually stack them on certain movements.i train pretty heavy 'little rest'between sets..for my age and bf%/condition i'm in all year I would consider my self pretty strong.i would say on bodyparts to 'impress'people my back/bicep'trap'legs of course poundages are pretty good.other stuff I pump as you would say.i'm 5'7 pretty small joints by nature ,my workouts tend to vary and I play on my strengths best I could.

[chaos]

also depends what you are training for like other sports for example martial arts training.depends how you define "Hard and Heavy". I know guys who train "Hard and Heavy" but are far from my idea of all round fitness because although i might not train so heavy i am also training "Hard". lifting heavy weights is not everything.

By heavy I'm talking straight #'s.

how many working sets or execises do you do for back,i did 17 sets for back and 5 exercises,i know by now your muscles will grow on anything 'meaning focusing on say rows for thickness or chins for width theory 'is relative ,but you can still perform exercises to focus on little areas of the upper/mid/lower back ,I still go heavy on bent over rows for me'225/265 range 'most people can never ever do that,'we are not talking about hardcore magazine pros'who can toss 315/405 like nothing...I don't post the cable weights I use cause I usually stack them on certain movements.i train pretty heavy 'little rest'between sets..for my age and bf%/condition i'm in all year I would consider my self pretty strong.i would say on bodyparts to 'impress'people my back/bicep'trap'legs of course poundages are pretty good.other stuff I pump as you would say.i'm 5'7 pretty small joints by nature ,my workouts tend to vary and I play on my strengths best I could.

I do tons of sets, not alot of exercises.  Back today, I'll do deads or rack pulls, then typically bbell rows, another type of row and some type of overhead pull. So it could be 3-4 exercises for back, but on rack pulls/deads I work up in weight to doubles/singles, then back down to 4-5 rep range, then back up for a few more sets. Including warm up I can do up to 14 sets for rack pulls, granted maybe 4-5 of those are singles or doubles. The rest of my workout would be 3-4 sets each exercise.



I always read about how people change their workouts as they get older and I wonder if there is an age that people hit where they just don't want to do it or they can't.  Guy on the training board is in his mid 70's and just pulled 500 from the floor. Impressive.

[njflex]

By heavy I'm talking straight #'s.
I do tons of sets, not alot of exercises.  Back today, I'll do deads or rack pulls, then typically bbell rows, another type of row and some type of overhead pull. So it could be 3-4 exercises for back, but on rack pulls/deads I work up in weight to doubles/singles, then back down to 4-5 rep range, then back up for a few more sets. Including warm up I can do up to 14 sets for rack pulls, granted maybe 4-5 of those are singles or doubles. The rest of my workout would be 3-4 sets each exercise.



I always read about how people change their workouts as they get older and I wonder if there is an age that people hit where they just don't want to do it or they can't.  Guy on the training board is in his mid 70's and just pulled 500 from the floor. Impressive.

do it or can't.. I assume is up to the individual.i see your point tho in say my leg training on squats why do I stop at 405 for 8 and not try a triple at higher wait,or add a 45 or start heavier past warm ups,,,i kinda been doing it a bit more lately to see if some plateus strength wise could be pushed a tad.im very focused on the 'look'and condition aspect of physique building....I respect what you can do and reading your workouts you incorporated other movements or stuff which will help your main strength exercises...at almost 47 my training is intense/faster paced than when I was younger,difference is to yrs ago and back to 20's I was a bit stronger on certain pressing movements but not much lost say 5 % decrease if that..legs are stronger than ever /same with back movements,arms,...delts/chest I seem to rep/pump/drop set more,,my delts grew better on 'pump 'style,,,

[Donny]

How old are you chaos? Over 40 I think, some older guys have old injuries too.

[Primemuscle]

Any of you guys into lifting heavy? Seems like everyone here is into pump and fitness.

I'm not super strong except on the leg press. These days I go for full range movements using moderate resistance. My bench press has always sucked. I have very long arms which seems to hinder using a lot of weight.  I think the most I've ever lifted for about 6 reps on the bench was 275.

Earl, a friend of mine who is ten years older than me was entering and winning power lifting contests when he was my age. He claimed he won mainly because there was no competition in his age class.  Unfortunately, he has Parkinson's now so he's just showing up at the gym and chatting, no more heavy lifting. Old age is a bitch sometimes.

[Primemuscle]

I always read about how people change their workouts as they get older and I wonder if there is an age that people hit where they just don't want to do it or they can't.  Guy on the training board is in his mid 70's and just pulled 500 from the floor. Impressive.

This is impressive. The fellow must be very strong.

Whether folks change their workouts as they get older or not depends on a lot of things, such as: old injuries, arthritis, general health and their basic strength.

I was a puny kid until I started lifting weights. My strength and size improved and I was on a regime of D-bol and test as prescribed by the doctor. This was when I was 16-18 years old. Although I discontinued take steroids, I continued lifting weights for the rest of my life. These days I am on HRT which probably explains why I am still fairly lean and muscular. My current weight is the same as it was when I was 18 years old, about 185 lbs. In my late twenties, I was in a bulking phase and got up to 225 lbs. That was the most I've ever weighed. I feel better being thinner.  I tend to bulk up if I lift heavy. I think these things go hand in hand for most folks.

[chaos]

How old are you chaos? Over 40 I think, some older guys have old injuries too.

41 now. I have a huge joint structure and no injuries so I'm hoping to push heavy lifting as long as I can.

[njflex]

41 now. I have a huge joint structure and no injuries so I'm hoping to push heavy lifting as long as I can.

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