The Mature thread

[chaos]

When I am once again worthy,I will dominate this damn thread.    

 

What a coincidence, many of the guys in this thread enjoy being dominated.

[Primemuscle]

What a coincidence, many of the guys in this thread enjoy being dominated.

Too funny. Never thought about being dominated. I am a control freak. I suspect this means I have to be the dominator. Sometimes it might be interesting to let go of this and let someone else take all the responsibility....nah, can't do it.

[chaos]

Too funny. Never thought about being dominated. I am a control freak. I suspect this means I have to be the dominator. Sometimes it might be interesting to let go of this and let someone else take all the responsibility....nah, can't do it.

Does your broom closet hide leather masks, handcuffs and various whips?

[IroNat]

I don't post much.

Own two Subaru Outbacks.

57 - Training since 16 with a few gaps, train at home with freeweights.  No drugs.

Train 3 times a week, whole body.  Superset 2 exercises together as I go.

Typical workout...

Bench press sets of 3 reps up to 10 sets

Hacksquat or deadlift, Jefferson lift or variation, 3 reps sets, 5 to 10 sets

Power cleans 5 sets of 3 reps

Leg curls 3 sets of 12 reps

Press behind neck 4 sets of 6

Pullups or chinups 5 sets of 5 with added weight

Calf raise - superset 3 sets of 45 to 60 seconds alternating toe position with bodyweight

A couple planks

[Primemuscle]

Does your broom closet hide leather masks, handcuffs and various whips?

How'd you know?  Come on over and I will give you a personalized demonstration. 

[Charlys69]

my second Training after a (minor) pec injury......2nd. back exercise (Pullover-machine, which also trains the pecs a bit....so i did it carefully and not Stretch to the Limit (1-2 inches more normally). In between the 2 working sets 140 kg + 145 kg(320 lbs.), i did a short latspread.....iīm 52 years and 7 Months young/old, Training since 37 years. My act. BW is 255-258 lbs.

 

wish every mature-trainer many more years of good workouts.....

[DroppingPlates]

my second Training after a (minor) pec injury......2nd. back exercise (Pullover-machine, which also trains the pecs a bit....so i did it carefully and not Stretch to the Limit (1-2 inches more normally). In between the 2 working sets 140 kg + 145 kg(320 lbs.), i did a short latspread.....iīm 52 years and 7 Months young/old, Training since 37 years. My act. BW is 255-258 lbs.

 

wish every mature-trainer many more years of good workouts.....

Pretty strict form with a good load, props!
Is that an original Nautilus machine?

[Charlys69]

no, thatīs not the original Nautilus pullover....itīs a machine build in Germany in the late 70īs with a 120 kg (264 lbs.) Stack.
Thatīs in my own weight-training room. The machines i get for free from my old Gym-Boss after he closed his Fitnesscenter about 18 Years ago. He said once to me....if you like you can have all plates and machines i canīt sell. You have 2 days to get the equipment out of the gym, "so i did" (get abotu 15 machines, dumbell sets, plates, Barbells,.....so iīm able to train when i like 24 hour. But i also have 1 contract with a local gym, but still use my own Gym when i like to train there.....no one disturbs...my musc is playing. Sometimes i invite Friends to come train in my "home-gym". A stationary bike for Cardio + a Crosstrainer i get also.....and they are still working.

[DroppingPlates]

no, thatīs not the original Nautilus pullover....itīs a machine build in Germany in the late 70īs with a 120 kg (264 lbs.) Stack.
Thatīs in my own weight-training room. The machines i get for free from my old Gym-Boss after he closed his Fitnesscenter about 18 Years ago. He said once to me....if you like you can have all plates and machines i canīt sell. You have 2 days to get the equipment out of the gym, "so i did" (get abotu 15 machines, dumbell sets, plates, Barbells,.....so iīm able to train when i like 24 hour. But i also have 1 contract with a local gym, but still use my own Gym when i like to train there.....no one disturbs...my musc is playing. Sometimes i invite Friends to come train in my "home-gym". A stationary bike for Cardio + a Crosstrainer i get also.....and there are still working.

That's a damn sweet deal, will drop you a PM in case I visit Germany
This reminds me to a recent conversation with a gym owner, who tries to sell a high end equipment line with air compression for 15k. So far, he hasn't found a party who's interested, so in case I find someone, 1k will be mine.

[Primemuscle]

An advantage of being mature ancient enough to be on Medicare is the Silver Sneakers program. I recently discovered that I can belong to any gym that accepts Silver Sneakers for free. So far, in addition to the gym I've been a member at for the last 35 years, I've joined LA Fitness and 24 Hour Fitness. I am able to use any of their facilities as often as I want. Sure helps with location and routine boredom. Each gym offers some different equipment.

One of the LA Fitness gyms I've tried has a saltwater pool which I've not yet used, but I will. It also has a lot of different equipment I've never used before. I've been to three LA Fitness locations. All of them are unique. Some are better than others. Yesterday afternoon, I joined 24 Hour Fitness. The location is well equipped but was somewhat crowded at 4:30 p.m. when I toured the place.

[Primemuscle]

Subaru is an awesome little car, all wheel drive and easily under 30K.

I ended up getting another Mazda. It is a CX-3, which has AWD, leather and suede interior, sun roof and so many safety and convenience features that it nearly drives itself. All I have to do is steer. It also gets up to 32 mpg. I have been averaging a little over 28 mpg. The four banger really goes and goes even better when I put it in sport mode.

The car cost me about $30,000 (I'm not much of a bargainer). I did manage to get a 1.67% interest rate, financing it for 5 years which was better than the rate the dealer offered.

This is the exterior and interior color combo.

[rocco-x]

Damn flex that's the way to represent nj lol...big quads brother.
  I gotta get the balls up to post my pre relapse,active f**k up and now clean n sober pics.just back into the gym doing some basic newb shit till I get used to the soreness. Then onto a DC routine. I WILL return bigger better than before.
   How i never made GB my ultimate go to home forum all the yrs I've been on the boards n here idk.
  Just glad I found this place again.

[Charlys69]

the years going by "very quickly". Get 53 in some weeks, Training over 37 Years, 254 lbs. current BW (last sunday). itīs not easy but iīm trying hard to slow down the aging process.

[Charlys69]

yesterday evening working out in Thailand.

[DroppingPlates]

Looking good man, have you considered competing in the masters division?

[Charlys69]

not really....i can retire at age 60 (police-officer/criminalist since 1981).....so the + 60 years class maybe is an option, but i don't know how i look in 7 years....hope i can keep my motivation high through the next years. In the last 3 years i was able not to loose musclemass or strength. But every year you get older the "war" against aging gets harder, and of course you have to deal with it. It's also a difference if you train for yourself or to compete against other athletes. If you compete you go "all in" and don't care enough on your health, only thinking of that "damn competition" which is coming closer and closer.

[njflex]

JUST TURNED 48 IN JULY...

[DroppingPlates]

JUST TURNED 48 IN JULY...

Italians look good at any age..

[njflex]

Italians look good at any age..

,,thanks man,,,

[Charlys69]

next month 53.........Holiday pic from 3 days ago in Thailand. 6 "2" (190 cm), 117 kg act. 258 lbs.

[Charlys69]

2 weeks later "back" at home....

[oldtimer1]

Concerned about joint health after lifting for over 40 years. At 50 except for aches and pains, everything was full steam ahead. Now as I get close to 60 it seems I have to be careful about joint health. How many guys have bad shoulders, knees elbows and backs? Seems like joints go on every famous lifter.  Guys like Paul Anderson, Grimek, and even Clarence Bass had bad hips. The guys who had destroyed shoulders is a huge list. So many older athletes are going for surgical repairs and joint replacements.

Seems guys that trained for volume with moderate weight seemed to have the best joints but I have no real scientific proof of this. Just empirical knowledge being in the gyms. Guys like Robby Robinson seem injury free for a life time but then again guys like Chris Dickerson has a lot of joint issues.

What's your opinion on training hard but safe for an older trainer?  Some say you should train with volume and train a body part 2 to 3 times a weeks with moderate weights. Exhausting the muscle through "endurance" type lifting of multiple sets and short rests.  Making a light weight heavy so to speak through short rests between sets.

Keeping with the volume opinion I heard one well built older natural guys say high reps. He does from what I can see about 3 to 4 exercises per body part. He does 3 sets per exercise of around 12 to 15 reps.  Short rests between exercises keeps the weights very moderate.  His full range and moderate rep cadence seems to be a safe way of training.

Another view point is this 73 year old guy that who body builds with with heavy weights in my gym. His opinion was to train each body part once a week so it can heal and repair. When he trained a body part more than once a week directly he said he would feel joint pain.  He said in effect, lift heavy with low sets and forget about hitting that body part again till next week. He uses a rep range of 6 to 8 reps. Maybe 2 sets per exercise. This is how I currently train. Split my body in a three ways and train 3 days a week.

I guess we all have to do what suits us. Any thoughts on this? I'm not looking for a debate on volume vs HIT but what an old natural guy should do to protect his joints. My knee and shoulder is giving me a lot of aggravation. One thing for sure. If an exercise hurts then find a substitute. Don't keep doing it because it's thought of as a necessary exercise. I think all inclines chest exercises are out for me. Just hits my painful shoulder bad. In my mind I feel because of all the decades of reading about chest training that inclines are a necessity for upper chest development.  I now think that's BS.  Flat dumbbells bench and declines don't hurt my shoulder so that's what I'm going to do.

[DroppingPlates]

Greetings Oldtimer,

Many things have already been written on safe/joint friendly weight training, such as exercise selection and the importance of proper form.

I give you 3 things that work very well for me during times of injuries/pains (shoulders & hips in my case), and with 'very well' I mean that I was
(almost) able to train pain free and that the pain post-workout was much less.

1. Perform dynamic mobility work and stretches for at least 30 minutes once a week. Right after cardio is a good moment, as long as you're warmed up.
2. Train with resistance bands or combine them with free weights or machines. Esp pressing movements with bands put less stress on the joints.
3. Train in super slow fashion. The original super slow protocol is 4 reps with a 10 sec concentric & 10 sec eccentric movement, so that's a total T.U.T. of 80 seconds(!)
This works very well, but I found out that 3 reps with a 5 sec concentric/5 sec eccentric works more intense (i.e. more weight moved per second, while it's still not taxing too much on my joints)

I believe that the preferred volume/frequency is personal thing. Myself, I prefer a limited volume with a higher frequency (train a muscle 3 times per 2 weeks), but you also have those typical volume guys who want to pump blood into the muscle from all angles. What matters the most is that you take enough recovery time, which is mostly a matter of listening to the signals of your body.

[njflex]

Greetings Oldtimer,

Many things have already been written on safe/joint friendly weight training, such as exercise selection and the importance of proper form.

I give you 3 things that work very well for me during times of injuries/pains (shoulders & hips in my case), and with 'very well' I mean that I was
(almost) able to train pain free and that the pain post-workout was much less.

1. Perform dynamic mobility work and stretches for at least 30 minutes once a week. Right after cardio is a good moment, as long as you're warmed up.
2. Train with resistance bands or combine them with free weights or machines. Esp pressing movements with bands put less stress on the joints.
3. Train in super slow fashion. The original super slow protocol is 4 reps with a 10 sec concentric & 10 sec eccentric movement, so that's a total T.U.T. of 80 seconds(!)
This works very well, but I found out that 3 reps with a 5 sec concentric/5 sec eccentric works more intense (i.e. more weight moved per second, while it's still not taxing too much on my joints)

I believe that the preferred volume/frequency is personal thing. Myself, I prefer a limited volume with a higher frequency (train a muscle 3 times per 2 weeks), but you also have those typical volume guys who want to pump blood into the muscle from all angles. What matters the most is that you take enough recovery time, which is mostly a matter of listening to the signals of your body.

nice,,,

[oldtimer1]

Greetings Oldtimer,

Many things have already been written on safe/joint friendly weight training, such as exercise selection and the importance of proper form.

I give you 3 things that work very well for me during times of injuries/pains (shoulders & hips in my case), and with 'very well' I mean that I was
(almost) able to train pain free and that the pain post-workout was much less.

1. Perform dynamic mobility work and stretches for at least 30 minutes once a week. Right after cardio is a good moment, as long as you're warmed up.
2. Train with resistance bands or combine them with free weights or machines. Esp pressing movements with bands put less stress on the joints.
3. Train in super slow fashion. The original super slow protocol is 4 reps with a 10 sec concentric & 10 sec eccentric movement, so that's a total T.U.T. of 80 seconds(!)
This works very well, but I found out that 3 reps with a 5 sec concentric/5 sec eccentric works more intense (i.e. more weight moved per second, while it's still not taxing too much on my joints)

I believe that the preferred volume/frequency is personal thing. Myself, I prefer a limited volume with a higher frequency (train a muscle 3 times per 2 weeks), but you also have those typical volume guys who want to pump blood into the muscle from all angles. What matters the most is that you take enough recovery time, which is mostly a matter of listening to the signals of your body.

Good advice to train with a slow cadence. I remember when Ken Hutchins first came forth with super slow training as he called it and modified Arthur Jones cam on his Med X machines. I was a lot younger when this came out and I laughed at his protocol of super slow reps. I wrote back in the day it might be a great method for rehabilitation and for older trainers but not for the masses of hard core trainers.  Now I'm an older trainer and I'm not laughing.