Who is Phil better than from the 90s?

[Royal Lion]

I am no fan of Philsulina but he does not have a wide waist. And he isn't on the same level as Dillet and Levrone. But if he was transported to the 1980s he would beat Haney easily. And I consider Haney just behind Arnold and Coleman as far as the greatest O of all time.

No way Phil beats this.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMftr3QnYXs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdm3y1zgeJY

[SF1900]

No way Phil beats this.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMftr3QnYXs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdm3y1zgeJY

Now this is posing

[MORTALCOIL]

Now this is posing

Whoever watches the whole 4:06mn qualifies as a schmoe.

[The Grim Lifter]

Whoever watches the whole 4:06mn qualifies as a schmoe.

Lucky i was only at 4:03 when i read this message

[Alucard]

I can't believe those of you that really think Phil weighs close to 250. If Phil says so... A realistic estimate would be 230. Weight has a lot to do with height and width. Phil has neither. Just look at the lineup pics, when Phil is not standing two feet in front of the others. He disappear in comparisons. Imagine next to Haney. Even Yates did fade standing relaxed next to Haney. Why do anyone believe Phil stating his weight. With his insecurities we must at least take off ten percent...

Exactly, all those measurements are complete bullshits... Heath is lucky if he's over 230lbs contest time, and 274lbs in that recent pic? Lol, not even close... Just as the 330lbs Big Ramy or 400lbs Kovacs, laughable stuff... Haney insane taper would make Heath disappear...

[Ronnie Rep]

Whoever watches the whole 4:06mn qualifies as a schmoe.

I watched a minute. Schmoetastic!

[MAXX]

idk outside top 3 here  https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=796072173842234

Levrone 35:40 much better


 most look better with better structure imo

[Wiggs]

The problem with most of the guys from the 90s is that Phil beats them from the rear.  Phil has the Dorian/Ronnie effect.  When he turns around it's lights out in his bdb pose. I know Pill isn't liked much here but there aren't too many in bodybuilding that can match or beat him in that pose.  Every other pose is arguable.

[Iceman1981]

Ronnie, Dorian and Haney all beat Phil. 

Phil at his best beats the rest. 

Flex Wheeler was never in shape from behind.  Same with Nasser.

Phil is consistent with his condition and really knows how to peak on game day.

I rank him 4th just out side of Ronnie, Dorian and Haney.

Agree ^^^^^^^^^^^^^, but a 1993 Flex could go either way against Phil's best.

[Iceman1981]

The problem with most of the guys from the 90s is that Phil beats them from the rear.  Phil has the Dorian/Ronnie effect.  When he turns around it's lights out in his bdb pose. I know Pill isn't liked much here but there aren't too many in bodybuilding that can match or beat him in that pose.  Every other pose is arguable.

I have to agree with Wiggs.

[Parker]

Exactly, all those measurements are complete bullshits... Heath is lucky if he's over 230lbs contest time, and 274lbs in that recent pic? Lol, not even close... Just as the 330lbs Big Ramy or 400lbs Kovacs, laughable stuff... Haney insane taper would make Heath disappear...

Phil Heath got his Pro card in 2005 at a weight of about 215-220.
He won his first two Pro shows in 2006 at about 225.

This is Phil Heath back then. Now look at pics from 2013, 2014. You see the difference?

[Wiggs]

Phil Heath got his Pro card in 2005 at a weight of about 215-220.
He won his first two Pro shows in 2006 at about 225.

This is Phil Heath back then. Now look at pics from 2013, 2014. You see the difference?

The first of his gifts...Dareem Should have won this show.

[Parker]

The first of his gifts...Dareem Should have won this show.

Here is the progression of his back from 2005 to 2008


And he actually looks better in 2006 than he does now.

Here is Phil and Kai at the 2006 Colorado Pro

[Alucard]

Phil Heath got his Pro card in 2005 at a weight of about 215-220.
He won his first two Pro shows in 2006 at about 225.

This is Phil Heath back then. Now look at pics from 2013, 2014. You see the difference?

I remember we had the same discussion about weight regarding Wheeler, and we both agreed that those claimed measurements were bogus... In my opinion, Heath was nowhere near 225 in 2006, maybe 205, today contest time he's probably around 230lbs...

[closeline]

Phil Heath is a poor man's Aaron Baker. Yeah, I said it.

Exactly And Aaron Hand better Arms , Abs , presentation and calfs

[closeline]

Here is the progression of his back from 2005 to 2008


And he actually looks better in 2006 than he does now.

Here is Phil and Kai at the 2006 Colorado Pro

At best average genetics on both

[Ronnie Rep]

Here is the progression of his back from 2005 to 2008


And he actually looks better in 2006 than he does now.

Here is Phil and Kai at the 2006 Colorado Pro

Took him 3 years to bring his back up to pro standard.

[Wiggs]

Yes but now he has one of the best bdb of all time. I'll give credit where its due.

[Parker]

I remember we had the same discussion about weight regarding Wheeler, and we both agreed that those claimed measurements were bogus... In my opinion, Heath was nowhere near 225 in 2006, maybe 205, today contest time he's probably around 230lbs...

True, but with Darrem, he had made waves for being one of those guys that started winnnng the 2nd tier shows, and he had stepped up in terms of weight---like 2003-2005ish. Remember it was a close one between him and a prime Victor at the 2004 GNC show. Darrem supposedly about 230ish at the 2006 Colorado Pro, and if you look at that pic, you'd see that he outweighed Phil.

And Phil looks 245-250 compared to the heavier Kai, who is trying to carry Ronnie like weight on a 5'8 frame.
Also, Levrone is the roughly the same height, and rough estimates, Phil looks about the same weight when Levrone was competing at 250.
Thing is, Phil is not prone to "lying" about his weight...not making himself seem heavier than he is. Think about it, he use that "past the line" thing a few yrs ago, because he weighs less than his main rivals.

[Danimal77]

We always talk about the 90's were better, take the best today Phil and comparing him against the best of the 90s. We can provide pictures, video etc as the thread continues.

Phil is not better than the following people imo: Haney, Ronnie, Dorian, and Flex

Phil is better than Cormier, Levrone, Ray, and Dillet

There are more to add, that's just a start.

Phil is not even close to 90's Levrone, Ray, or even Cormier or Dillett (well maybe his back).

[Wiggs]

Phil is not even close to 90's Levrone, Ray, or even Cormier or Dillett (well maybe his back).

None of those guys can beat his bdb pose.  We all know the importance of that pose.

[The Ugly]

Here is the progression of his back from 2005 to 2008


And he actually looks better in 2006 than he does now.

Here is Phil and Kai at the 2006 Colorado Pro

'07 to '08 is pretty incredible.

[Bevo]

None of those guys can beat his bdb pose.  We all know the importance of that pose.

Phil also beats wheeler in the back pose. Wheeler had no conditioning in his hams or glutes

[Royalty]

Phil Heath got his Pro card in 2005 at a weight of about 215-220.
He won his first two Pro shows in 2006 at about 225.

This is Phil Heath back then. Now look at pics from 2013, 2014. You see the difference?

Darrem looks better there

[illuminati]

The first of his gifts...Dareem Should have won this show.

From the front Dareem is clearly better.

Also you are right in saying that Phil has one of the best
RDB's not many can match let alone beat him in that.

Not so sure he would stack up so well in the other shots though.
Don't think he would be able to stand out in a Tough All time Greats
Show, & the one RDB shot wouldn't be enough to make up ground on
The rest.
It's All if's & buts.