Harley Breite - Appreciation thread

[SF1900]

LOL.
Come on.

Lawyers will take any case to earn a buck.

[SF1900]

there should be no such thing as plea agreements, they either have evidence top convict or not.
Plea deals are made by shitbags who should get life who get a lesser sentence to convenience the court.

Exactly. A plea agreement for a child molester is ridiculous. This is why people think lawyers are scummy. He committed the crime. There is overwhelming evidence. Hell, I even think he admitted to it.

Why would a lawyer want to see a child molester get a reduced sentence? I guess he is still on the payroll.

[OB1]

Lawyers will take any case to earn a buck.

I don't think that's true for every lawyer.

[SF1900]

I don't think that's true for every lawyer.

You're right, its not true for EVERY lawyer. Only about 99.9% of them.

[OB1]

You're right, its not true for EVERY lawyer. Only about 99.9% of them.

Seems exaggerated.

[Simple Simon]

Exactly. A plea agreement for a child molester is ridiculous. This is why people think lawyers are scummy. He committed the crime. There is overwhelming evidence. Hell, I even think he admitted to it.

Why would a lawyer want to see a child molester get a reduced sentence? I guess he is still on the payroll.

A lawyers first duty is to the court, not his client.
http://www.advocates.ca/assets/files/pdf/bibliography/Duty_to_Court.pdf

an interesting quote

WHY A LAWYER'S DUTY TO THE COURT MATTERS
While it is not difficult to agree that lawyers owe a duty to the court, defining those duties in a comprehensive way is not a simple task. This difficulty relates, at least in part, to the number of concepts that inform or are informed by a lawyer's duty to the court. These concepts include: duties to the public interest, the profession's independence, the limits of zealous representation of a client and the consequences of failing to uphold a lawyer's duty to the court.

Bearing in mind the bolded bit, would it be in the public interest for "sucker punch kid" to get a lower sentence than he deserves?

[Sokolsky]

A lawyers first duty is to the court, not his client.
http://www.advocates.ca/assets/files/pdf/bibliography/Duty_to_Court.pdf

an interesting quoteBearing in mind the bolded bit, would it be in the public interest for "sucker punch kid" to get a lower sentence than he deserves?

A sentence deemed appropriate will be served.
Whether you think he deserves more/less, or anyone else for that matter, has no relevance before the law.

[Simple Simon]

A sentence deemed appropriate will be served.
Whether you think he deserves more/less, or anyone else for that matter, has no relevance before the law.

and that sir is where plea bargains get someone a sentence less than he deserves than if the case had run its course.
The whole place stinks to high heaven, to quote Al Pacino in Devils Advocate.

[SF1900]

A lawyers first duty is to the court, not his client.
http://www.advocates.ca/assets/files/pdf/bibliography/Duty_to_Court.pdf

an interesting quoteBearing in mind the bolded bit, would it be in the public interest for "sucker punch kid" to get a lower sentence than he deserves?

Yes, but is the court who is seeking a reduced sentence? Or is it the client who is telling his lawyer he wants a reduced sentence? I assume from the courts perspective, the case was over, once he was convicted and sentenced.

[OB1]

Yes, but is the court who is seeking a reduced sentence? Or is it the client who is telling his lawyer he wants a reduced sentence? I assume from the courts perspective, the case was over, once he was convicted and sentenced.

I think the lawyer himself is trying to get the "best deal" possible regardless of morals or justice.

[Sokolsky]

and that sir is where plea bargains get someone a sentence less than he deserves than if the case had run its course.
The whole place stinks to high heaven, to quote Al Pacino in Devils Advocate.

http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1618&context=wmlr

[SF1900]

I think the lawyer himself is trying to get the "best deal" possible regardless of morals or justice.

Of course, because they are scum.

[Yamcha]

Of course, because they are scum.

So you'd represent yourself in court?

[Simple Simon]

So you'd represent yourself in court?

If you behave yourself you wont end up in court.

[TuHolmes]

If you behave yourself you wont end up in court.

That is not true. Many behaving people end up in court.

[OB1]

If you behave yourself you wont end up in court.

I doubt this.
You can end up very fast in court/jail if you're "in the way".
Innocent.

[SF1900]

So you'd represent yourself in court?

Of course not, but they are still scum for representing them. Sometimes you just have to call it like it is. Yes, they are doing their job. You can do your job, but still be scum.

[Simple Simon]

That is not true. Many behaving people end up in court.

Have you ever ended up in court for nothing?

[SF1900]

Have you ever ended up in court for nothing?

I think Tu is implying that innocent people may be tried and convicted for crimes they did not commit. It actually happens more often than it should.

[Simple Simon]

I doubt this.
You can end up very fast in court/jail if you're "in the way".
Innocent.

the chances of that happening are slim to zero, yes it happens but its so rare its not worth a mention, sure you can state cases and give examples, but think about you, not the population of the world.

[Yamcha]

It seems every "system" in the world is messed up, according to GetBig.

[Simple Simon]

I think Tu is implying that innocent people may be tried and convicted for crimes they did not commit. It actually happens more often than it should.

Once is more often than it should.
We know it happens but its very very rare.

[OB1]

the chances of that happening are slim to zero, yes it happens but its so rare its not worth a mention, sure you can state cases and give examples, but think about you, not the population of the world.

I try to draw a complete picture.
Anyway...
According to a few studies there are like 2.3 to 5 % innocents in jail.
They also went to court beforehand.

[Simple Simon]

I try to draw a complete picture.
Anyway...
According to a few studies there are like 2.3 to 5 % innocents in jail.
They also went to court beforehand.

lol, everyone in jail says they are innocent, how can they get stats for that?

[OB1]

lol, everyone in jail says they are innocent, how can they get stats for that?

LOL.
I don't know.

Anyway...
Everyone knows there are more people in there "than neccessary".