Author Topic: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread  (Read 596975 times)

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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3075 on: February 20, 2016, 04:11:36 AM »
Yes, there are flaws in the system. Is it justice that a guilty person gets off because they are exploited? Say that knock out guy gets off because he claims he didn't hear his rights read because there was ambulance blazing by at the same time (true story), would that be justice? If a cop makes a mistake in procedure or even violates the law that should be a separate case. He should be charged in a separated case. It should not distract from the fact that the prep was guilty.

"Justice" in and of itself is a very flawed concept. Justice has much more to do with personal bias and pre-conceived notions of guilt and less so with the workings of the judicial system. For example: Is it justice when someone murders your parent(s), and only receives a 15 year sentence with the possibility of reduced sentencing? For the law perhaps, but certainly not for the surviving family.

If a cop makes a mistake in procedure or even violates the law that should be a separate case. He should be charged in a separated case. It should not distract from the fact that the prep was guilty.

Indeed, law enforcement should be reprimanded if not prosecuted for failing to comply with established procedures.
However, since failing to follow proper protocol has the potential to influence the proceedings of a case, it should not be simply disregarded.
Guilt before the law can only be established when all established protocols are followed, and all rights are ensured.
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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3076 on: February 20, 2016, 09:31:20 AM »
LOL.
Come on.


Lawyers will take any case to earn a buck.
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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3077 on: February 20, 2016, 09:33:07 AM »
there should be no such thing as plea agreements, they either have evidence top convict or not.
Plea deals are made by shitbags who should get life who get a lesser sentence to convenience the court.

Exactly. A plea agreement for a child molester is ridiculous. This is why people think lawyers are scummy. He committed the crime. There is overwhelming evidence. Hell, I even think he admitted to it.

Why would a lawyer want to see a child molester get a reduced sentence? I guess he is still on the payroll.
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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3078 on: February 20, 2016, 09:33:51 AM »
Lawyers will take any case to earn a buck.

I don't think that's true for every lawyer.
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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3079 on: February 20, 2016, 09:37:06 AM »
I don't think that's true for every lawyer.


You're right, its not true for EVERY lawyer. Only about 99.9% of them.
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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3080 on: February 20, 2016, 09:40:15 AM »
You're right, its not true for EVERY lawyer. Only about 99.9% of them.

Seems exaggerated.
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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3081 on: February 20, 2016, 10:15:49 AM »
Exactly. A plea agreement for a child molester is ridiculous. This is why people think lawyers are scummy. He committed the crime. There is overwhelming evidence. Hell, I even think he admitted to it.

Why would a lawyer want to see a child molester get a reduced sentence? I guess he is still on the payroll.

A lawyers first duty is to the court, not his client.
http://www.advocates.ca/assets/files/pdf/bibliography/Duty_to_Court.pdf

an interesting quote
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WHY A LAWYER'S DUTY TO THE COURT MATTERS
While it is not difficult to agree that lawyers owe a duty to the court, defining those duties in a comprehensive way is not a simple task. This difficulty relates, at least in part, to the number of concepts that inform or are informed by a lawyer's duty to the court. These concepts include: duties to the public interest, the profession's independence, the limits of zealous representation of a client and the consequences of failing to uphold a lawyer's duty to the court.
Bearing in mind the bolded bit, would it be in the public interest for "sucker punch kid" to get a lower sentence than he deserves?

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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3082 on: February 20, 2016, 10:35:24 AM »
A lawyers first duty is to the court, not his client.
http://www.advocates.ca/assets/files/pdf/bibliography/Duty_to_Court.pdf

an interesting quoteBearing in mind the bolded bit, would it be in the public interest for "sucker punch kid" to get a lower sentence than he deserves?

A sentence deemed appropriate will be served.
Whether you think he deserves more/less, or anyone else for that matter, has no relevance before the law.
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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3083 on: February 20, 2016, 10:45:28 AM »
A sentence deemed appropriate will be served.
Whether you think he deserves more/less, or anyone else for that matter, has no relevance before the law.
and that sir is where plea bargains get someone a sentence less than he deserves than if the case had run its course.
The whole place stinks to high heaven, to quote Al Pacino in Devils Advocate.

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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3084 on: February 20, 2016, 10:57:46 AM »
A lawyers first duty is to the court, not his client.
http://www.advocates.ca/assets/files/pdf/bibliography/Duty_to_Court.pdf

an interesting quoteBearing in mind the bolded bit, would it be in the public interest for "sucker punch kid" to get a lower sentence than he deserves?

Yes, but is the court who is seeking a reduced sentence? Or is it the client who is telling his lawyer he wants a reduced sentence? I assume from the courts perspective, the case was over, once he was convicted and sentenced.
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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3085 on: February 20, 2016, 11:05:41 AM »
Yes, but is the court who is seeking a reduced sentence? Or is it the client who is telling his lawyer he wants a reduced sentence? I assume from the courts perspective, the case was over, once he was convicted and sentenced.

I think the lawyer himself is trying to get the "best deal" possible regardless of morals or justice.

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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3086 on: February 20, 2016, 11:06:14 AM »
and that sir is where plea bargains get someone a sentence less than he deserves than if the case had run its course.
The whole place stinks to high heaven, to quote Al Pacino in Devils Advocate.

http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1618&context=wmlr

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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3087 on: February 20, 2016, 11:07:20 AM »
I think the lawyer himself is trying to get the "best deal" possible regardless of morals or justice.



Of course, because they are scum.
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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3088 on: February 20, 2016, 11:07:52 AM »
Of course, because they are scum.

So you'd represent yourself in court?
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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3089 on: February 20, 2016, 11:23:16 AM »
So you'd represent yourself in court?
If you behave yourself you wont end up in court.

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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3090 on: February 20, 2016, 11:27:07 AM »
If you behave yourself you wont end up in court.

That is not true. Many behaving people end up in court.

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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3091 on: February 20, 2016, 11:28:44 AM »
If you behave yourself you wont end up in court.

I doubt this.
You can end up very fast in court/jail if you're "in the way".
Innocent.

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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3092 on: February 20, 2016, 11:29:26 AM »
So you'd represent yourself in court?

Of course not, but they are still scum for representing them. Sometimes you just have to call it like it is. Yes, they are doing their job. You can do your job, but still be scum.
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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3093 on: February 20, 2016, 11:39:26 AM »
That is not true. Many behaving people end up in court.
Have you ever ended up in court for nothing?

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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3094 on: February 20, 2016, 11:40:32 AM »
Have you ever ended up in court for nothing?

I think Tu is implying that innocent people may be tried and convicted for crimes they did not commit. It actually happens more often than it should.
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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3095 on: February 20, 2016, 11:41:36 AM »
I doubt this.
You can end up very fast in court/jail if you're "in the way".
Innocent.


the chances of that happening are slim to zero, yes it happens but its so rare its not worth a mention, sure you can state cases and give examples, but think about you, not the population of the world.

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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3096 on: February 20, 2016, 11:42:24 AM »
It seems every "system" in the world is messed up, according to GetBig.
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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3097 on: February 20, 2016, 11:42:31 AM »
I think Tu is implying that innocent people may be tried and convicted for crimes they did not commit. It actually happens more often than it should.
Once is more often than it should.
We know it happens but its very very rare.

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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3098 on: February 20, 2016, 11:46:18 AM »
the chances of that happening are slim to zero, yes it happens but its so rare its not worth a mention, sure you can state cases and give examples, but think about you, not the population of the world.

I try to draw a complete picture.
Anyway...
According to a few studies there are like 2.3 to 5 % innocents in jail.
They also went to court beforehand.

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Re: Harley Breite - Appreciation thread
« Reply #3099 on: February 20, 2016, 11:48:50 AM »
I try to draw a complete picture.
Anyway...
According to a few studies there are like 2.3 to 5 % innocents in jail.
They also went to court beforehand.



lol, everyone in jail says they are innocent, how can they get stats for that?