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[The Ugly]

So the parents have to wake up early to drive their non driving kid to practice then go to work?

I live in Jersey. Never heard of a kid getting an academic grade for participating in a sport.  California is the fruit and nuts capital.

Our beaches are SO much better than yours.

[TuHolmes]

Varsity sports always counted toward my phys ed grade and why shouldn't it? A well run 2 hour hockey/football practice is more beneficial than 45 minutes of gym class badminton.

How old are you?

I ask seriously because my varsity sports NEVER counted to my grade. Not once.

[DroppingPlates]

32 this morning.

Enjoy your victory while you can..

[Nick Danger]

How old are you?

I ask seriously because my varsity sports NEVER counted to my grade. Not once.

I'm 50. It was in Canada...Quebec and Ontario.

I was also allowed to skate in the arena during typing class... a lot of good that does me now.

[TuHolmes]

I'm 50. It was in Canada...Quebec and Ontario.

I was also allowed to skate in the arena during typing class... a lot of good that does me now.

Must be a Canadian thing.

I went to school in a couple of States and none of them ever considered extra curricular sports as grades.

Not in JV or Varsity.

Interesting.

Thanks for the info.

[guyincognito]

The problem was last years schedule everything was done after school (their 6th period) from 2:30 to about 6:00 then as the season drew closer it went until 7 into the season, weight training, conditioning and practice were concurrent, by the time they got home they were dead and falling asleep while trying to finish homework, study, etc.

This schedule is practical in the sense that weight room and field work is all done in the morning and until actual football practice starts, they're home early, eat, a couple of hours of HW and in bed by 9pm or so. Once they get used to it, it's a much easier schedule and more productive all the way around.

So practice at 5:30, then school, then homework. When do they get time for themselves? Is this normal in America? Won't the kids burn out?

[The Ugly]

Must be a Canadian thing.

I went to school in a couple of States and none of them ever considered extra curricular sports as grades.

Not in JV or Varsity.

Interesting.

Thanks for the info.

We had 6th period "Athletics," where we weight-trained or whatever to prep for our sport. Graded and part of our transcript.

[Coach is Back!]

Enjoy your victory while you can..

Not quite sure what means but thanks. Maybe you can explain that....or not.

[DroppingPlates]

Not quite sure what means but thanks. Maybe you can explain that....or not.

Explaining would be <DUH!>, but I wish you all the best with your team

[TuHolmes]

We had 6th period "Athletics," where we weight-trained or whatever to prep for our sport. Graded and part of our transcript.

Just asked my boss about this. His son graduated recently and was a varsity football player.

He also didn't get graded for football and he's in LA.

Differences in localities I suppose.

[Coach is Back!]

Explaining would be <DUH!>, but I wish you all the best with your team

Why not just say you can't explain it and move on. Don't take a cheap shot without backing it up.

[Set It Up]

Why not just say you can't explain it and move on. Don't take a cheap shot without backing it up.

I did backwards not really running more like walking on the treadmill--cant go outside--too cold
and it did not end well 

talk about awkward and strange

[The Ugly]

Just asked my boss about this. His son graduated recently and was a varsity football player.

He also didn't get graded for football and he's in LA.

Differences in localities I suppose.

Perhaps. I graduated in '86, only mentioning what we had back when.

[DroppingPlates]

Why not just say you can't explain it and move on. Don't take a cheap shot without backing it up.

Showing your authority this way is just plain silly. LOL, what do you expect, that all of them go to bed before 10 PM? They're adults man

[240 is Back]

Showing your authority this way is just plain silly. LOL, what do you expect, that all of them go to bed before 10 PM? They're adults man

what if some have part-time jobs?   When i was in high school, I frequently worked the 5-10 shift at a grocery store.

I'd hit the sheets by 1130 or 12.   Getting up at 4am to make it to football practice for an 0-for-decade team or I get an F?  Nah.

the recovery process is a huge part of successful athletes.   In order to get 8 hours of sleep and make it to practice at 5am, these players have to literally fall asleep at 8pm each night.   possible?

[DroppingPlates]

what if some have part-time jobs?   When i was in high school, I frequently worked the 5-10 shift at a grocery store.

I'd hit the sheets by 1130 or 12.   Getting up at 4am to make it to football practice for an 0-for-decade team or I get an F?  Nah.

the recovery process is a huge part of successful athletes.   In order to get 8 hours of sleep and make it to practice at 5am, these players have to literally fall asleep at 8pm each night.   possible?

I had a part time job on exactly the same hours for over 3 years, it sucked, esp after a leg session the evening before, LOL
Anyway, sure it's possible to go to bed at 8PM and that should be sufficient to up that early, but hey, these people have social lives / families as well, or don't they?

[SF1900]

Always fun to see a manlet try to hurt others. And funnier to see that he obviously is poorly educated and should have known this was a horrible idea from a performance standpoint. I've looked especially for a source that does not use big words. Try reading all of it. http://sleepcenter.ucla.edu/body.cfm?id=63

Many school districts are now making high school students come in at a later time. Research is showing that melatonin decreases during the teenage years, thus making it more difficult for teens to fall asleep. As such, they are staying up much later, and have trouble getting up early in the morning for school. Some school districts are now changing the times to a later start time. These schools have seen an increase in performance.

Sleep specialists have advocated to school districts that high school kids start at a later time due to changing sleep patterns during puberty.

But Coach is a great man! I am sure he knows what he is doing!

From the Center for Disease and Control

Why School Should Start Later in the Morning
The CDC weighs in: Early class times are taking a toll on adolescents’ health and academic performance.

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/08/why-school-should-start-later/401489/

[The Ugly]

Many school districts are now making high school students come in at a later time. Research is showing that melatonin decreases during the teenage years, thus making it more difficult for teens to fall asleep. As such, they are staying up much later, and have trouble getting up early in the morning for school. Some school districts are now changing the times to a later start time. These schools have seen an increase in performance.

Sleep specialists have advocated to school districts that high school kids start at a later time due to changing sleep patterns during puberty.

Melatonin, then, not the endless hours online chatting and gaming away?

[SF1900]

Melatonin, then, not the endless hours online chatting and gaming away?

Artificial light from video games, computer, and cell phones can suppresses melatonin, thus making it more difficult to fall asleep. So, this may be exacerbating the decrease in melatonin in teens. However, melatonin still decreases in teens, independent of artificial light. It's part of puberty. Obviously, artificial light can make it worse.

I'm only alluding to what the research says.

But there are probably pros and cons to an early or late school start.

[DroppingPlates]

Melatonin, then, not the endless hours online chatting and gaming away?

Good point..

[Lustral]

How you do in a gym/sports class can affect your GPA for college there?

Wouldn't have affected me but don't see how it would help you be an engineer or English teacher.

The leaving cert (Irish equivalent of high school final exam that determines what university you go to) is completely academic. Of course you can choose bullshit subjects (home economics and classical history count the same as chemistry and biology when applying for medicine) or do music etc.. sport is outside of school though. As it should be, otherwise it ruins the spirit of sport as a kid.

That last point leads me to the question - regardless of results, will kids have any fond memories or gain anything for life (other than bosses are pricks) from this endeavour?

[Coach is Back!]

Showing your authority this way is just plain silly. LOL, what do you expect, that all of them go to bed before 10 PM? They're adults man

They're adults??? They're in high school genius. Maybe the high schoolers in your country are adults. lol

[Coach is Back!]

Many school districts are now making high school students come in at a later time. Research is showing that melatonin decreases during the teenage years, thus making it more difficult for teens to fall asleep. As such, they are staying up much later, and have trouble getting up early in the morning for school. Some school districts are now changing the times to a later start time. These schools have seen an increase in performance.

Sleep specialists have advocated to school districts that high school kids start at a later time due to changing sleep patterns during puberty.

But Coach is a great man! I am sure he knows what he is doing!

From the Center for Disease and Control

Why School Should Start Later in the Morning
The CDC weighs in: Early class times are taking a toll on adolescents’ health and academic performance.

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/08/why-school-should-start-later/401489/

I can't think of one high school or college that would take this study into consideration. I dunno, I could be wrong.

[SF1900]

I can't think of one high school or college that would take this study into consideration. I dunno, I could be wrong.

Its not just ONE study. There is OVERWHELMING evidence that this occurs during teenage years.

Part of puberty is a decrease in melatonin. Melatonin decreases with age (its a biological fact). High levels of melatonin is associated with sleeping. Thus, a decrease in melatonin is equated to staying up longer, and a more difficult time staying asleep.

School districts have already started to implement a later start time and have seen great success. Schools have already been presented with the overwhelming evidence. Schools dont want to change because they dont want to revamp their school day. Its unfortunate because the teenagers suffer.

From one study:

Melatonin significantly decreased with age in both sexes (lineal relationship). This decrease was greater at night.

Melatonin secretion follows a circadian pattern, with greater secretion at night. The change in this rhythm was significantly greater in girls, due to greater nighttime secretion. Secretion significantly decreases in Tanner stages I and II with subsequent decreases in the later stages.

Also:

Doctors blame some of melatonin’s overuse on society’s ignorance about adolescents’ sleep cycle. Teenagers and college students, whose bodies tend to release melatonin much later than adults, often use it in pill or liquid form to reset their body clocks to conform to the demands of early-morning school hours.

“The way school hours work means that we’re asking teens to be functional at a time in the morning when their brains are not ready,” said Dr. Belen Esparis, medical director of Mount Sinai Medical Center’s Sleep Disorders Center and Laboratory and an advocate for later high school hours. Other doctors agree. In a policy statement published online last month, the American Academy of Pediatrics recommended middle and high schools delay the start of class to 8:30 a.m. or later.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/living/article1986235.html#storylink=cpy

[Coach is Back!]

Its not just ONE study. There is OVERWHELMING evidence that this occurs during teenage years.

Part of puberty is a decrease in melatonin. Melatonin decreases with age (its a biological fact). High levels of melatonin is associated with sleeping. Thus, a decrease in melatonin is equated to staying up longer, and a more difficult time staying asleep.

School districts have already started to implement a later start time and have seen great success. Schools have already been presented with the overwhelming evidence. Schools dont want to change because they dont want to revamp their school day. Its unfortunate because the teenagers suffer.

From one study:

Melatonin significantly decreased with age in both sexes (lineal relationship). This decrease was greater at night.

Melatonin secretion follows a circadian pattern, with greater secretion at night. The change in this rhythm was significantly greater in girls, due to greater nighttime secretion. Secretion significantly decreases in Tanner stages I and II with subsequent decreases in the later stages.

Also:

Doctors blame some of melatonin’s overuse on society’s ignorance about adolescents’ sleep cycle. Teenagers and college students, whose bodies tend to release melatonin much later than adults, often use it in pill or liquid form to reset their body clocks to conform to the demands of early-morning school hours.

“The way school hours work means that we’re asking teens to be functional at a time in the morning when their brains are not ready,” said Dr. Belen Esparis, medical director of Mount Sinai Medical Center’s Sleep Disorders Center and Laboratory and an advocate for later high school hours. Other doctors agree. In a policy statement published online last month, the American Academy of Pediatrics recommended middle and high schools delay the start of class to 8:30 a.m. or later.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/living/article1986235.html#storylink=cpy

I still can't think of a successful HS or college program that change because of a study. CIF states we have 18 total hours from weight room to field work and practice in a week. NCAA has 20 hrs. Gotta get it done when you can. Not saying the studies are not valid just saying no program that I can think of would take that into consideration.