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« Reply #100 on: February 11, 2016, 07:49:37 AM »
Study: ALL EMPLOYMENT GROWTH Since 2000 Went to Immigrants

According to a major new report from the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), net employment growth in the United States since 2000 has gone entirely to immigrants, legal and illegal. Using data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, CIS scholars Steven A. Camarota and Karen Zeigler found that there were 127,000 fewer working-age natives holding a job in the first quarter of 2014 than in 2000, while the number of immigrants with a job was 5.7 million above the 2000 level.

The rapidity with which immigrants recovered from the Great Recession, as well as the fact that they held a disproportionate share of jobs relative to their share of population growth before the recession, help to explain their findings, the authors report. In addition, native-born Americans and immigrants were affected differently by the recession.

Other significant findings include:

        *Because the native-born population grew significantly, but the number working actually fell, there were 17 million more working-age natives not working in the first quarter of 2014 than in 2000.

        *The share of natives working or looking for work, referred to as labor force participation, shows the same decline as the employment rate. In fact, labor force participation has continued to decline for working-age natives even after the jobs recovery began in 2010.

        *Immigrants have made gains across the labor market, including lower-skilled jobs such as maintenance, construction, and food service; middle-skilled jobs like office support and health care support; and high­er-skilled jobs, including management, computers, and health care practitioners.

        *The supply of potential workers is enormous: 8.7 million native college graduates are not working, as are 17 million with some college, and 25.3 million with no more than a high school education.

According to the study, 58 million working-age natives are not employed.

Camarota and Zeigler report three conclusions:

        *First, the long-term decline in the employment for natives across age and education levels is a clear in­dication that there is no general labor shortage, which is a primary justification for the large increases in immigration (skilled and unskilled) in the Schumer-Rubio bill and similar House proposals.

        *Second, the decline in work among the native-born over the last 14 years of high immigration is consis­tent with research showing that immigration reduces employment for natives.

        *Third, the trends since 2000 challenge the argument that immigration on balance increases job oppor­tunities for natives. Over 17 million immigrants arrived in the country in the last 14 years, yet native employment has deteriorated significantly.

The Center for Immigration Studies is a non-profit research institute. Founded in 1985, the organization is regularly consulted by policymakers, the academic community, and the media on matters of immigration policy.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/381362/study-all-employment-growth-2000-went-immigrants-nro-staff

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« Reply #101 on: February 11, 2016, 08:35:03 AM »
Yes I am lazy.  :D

Is there any significance in this Conservatives?

Are we saying BUSH's 5% UE was the same crap?

Are there other numbers to compared to?


(just trying to get this debate away from the typical posturing and ad-hom many digress into.)

The economy has changed and it has changed PERMANENTLY.....most jobs that are going to be created are in either service industries or Hi-tech.....many of the middle class and manufacturing jobs are gone and are not coming back...this is due to globalization....people overseas simply make things cheaper....which is why Apple builds its products overseas....so when people try to castigate the president (no mater who he may be) that most of the jobs being created are lower paying..they simply aren't dealing with the economic reality....

Also the labor participation rate that Obama critics like to cite, has been going down since world war II.......but YET..this has become a talking point so as to try to deny Obama his success.......and I've already provided links for such....as Whork has rightly pointed out...when a Republican becomes president YOU WILL NEVER HEAR ABOUT THE LABOR PARTICIPATION RATE EVER AGAIN.........did you hear about it when Bush was president???????

I know you already know all of this Ozmo but there are still idiots here who just don't get it....

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« Reply #102 on: February 11, 2016, 08:50:59 AM »
The economy has changed and it has changed PERMANENTLY.....most jobs that are going to be created are in either service industries or Hi-tech.....many of the middle class and manufacturing jobs are gone and are not coming back...this is due to globalization....people overseas simply make things cheaper....which is why Apple builds its products overseas....so when people try to castigate the president (no mater who he may be) that most of the jobs being created are lower paying..they simply aren't dealing with the economic reality....

Also the labor participation rate that Obama critics like to cite, has been going down since world war II.......but YET..this has become a talking point so as to try to deny Obama his success.......and I've already provided links for such....as Whork has rightly pointed out...when a Republican becomes president YOU WILL NEVER HEAR ABOUT THE LABOR PARTICIPATION RATE EVER AGAIN.........did you hear about it when Bush was president???????

I know you already know all of this Ozmo but there are still idiots here who just don't get it....

The politicians love people who think like you.  You are making excuses for them.  "We can't fix these problems!!" "We must throw our hands up in defeat at certain things!!"  "Not the politicians fault, no way!!" "It's a New World!!"

BULLSHIT

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« Reply #103 on: February 11, 2016, 09:21:25 AM »
The politicians love people who think like you.  You are making excuses for them.  "We can't fix these problems!!" "We must throw our hands up in defeat at certain things!!"  "Not the politicians fault, no way!!" "It's a New World!!"

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oh no..I do believe that politicians can fix these problems..BUT..in doing so they will create OTHER problems...if you want these problems fixed we would have to have the government assume more control over the economy, corporations and ultimately....US....do you really want that???.....for instance...if Obama said tomorrow that from now on all corporations must make  40% of their products in the U.S. and also MUST stop sending money to overseas accounts and pay their fair share of taxes...you and others would be accusing him of socialism.....the Repubs would be trying to impeach him...etc....

we in teh U.S. have become whinners and act as if the president is our all-giving father who can magicaly make things happen

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« Reply #104 on: February 11, 2016, 09:33:55 AM »
oh no..I do believe that politicians can fix these problems..BUT..in doing so they will create OTHER problems...if you want these problems fixed we would have to have the government assume more control over the economy, corporations and ultimately....US....do you really want that???.....for instance...if Obama said tomorrow that from now on all corporations must make  40% of their products in the U.S. and also MUST stop sending money to overseas accounts and pay their fair share of taxes...you and others would be accusing him of socialism.....the Repubs would be trying to impeach him...etc....

 in teh U.S. have become whinners and act as if the president is our all-giving father who can magicaly make things happen

They've been "making it happen" for the billionaires, quite easily.  Your boy Obama jets out to California to stay at the compounds of multi-billionaires, where they have his ear the entire time they're lounging around.

Do you want that party to end, or do you want it to continue?

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« Reply #105 on: February 11, 2016, 12:36:35 PM »
The economy has changed and it has changed PERMANENTLY.....most jobs that are going to be created are in either service industries or Hi-tech.....many of the middle class and manufacturing jobs are gone and are not coming back...this is due to globalization....people overseas simply make things cheaper....which is why Apple builds its products overseas....so when people try to castigate the president (no mater who he may be) that most of the jobs being created are lower paying..they simply aren't dealing with the economic reality....

Also the labor participation rate that Obama critics like to cite, has been going down since world war II.......but YET..this has become a talking point so as to try to deny Obama his success.......and I've already provided links for such....as Whork has rightly pointed out...when a Republican becomes president YOU WILL NEVER HEAR ABOUT THE LABOR PARTICIPATION RATE EVER AGAIN.........did you hear about it when Bush was president???????

I know you already know all of this Ozmo but there are still idiots here who just don't get it....

I don't agree with this.

They will come back as the rest of the world catches up to the US in terms of cost of living and what not. Eventually it will be just as expensive to make products in China and India as it is in the US. At that time, manufacturing comes back.

It's just the way of the world.


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« Reply #106 on: February 11, 2016, 01:03:17 PM »
They've been "making it happen" for the billionaires, quite easily.  Your boy Obama jets out to California to stay at the compounds of multi-billionaires, where they have his ear the entire time they're lounging around.

Do you want that party to end, or do you want it to continue?


Dude.....the fact is that its the REPUBLICANS who protect these Billionaires so that they are not taxed or regulated....yes the Dems also get conributions from Wll Street, etc...but it has always been Republican politics to side with Millionaires and billionaires, calling it a "pro-business" agenda...Obama couldn't take on the rich even if he wanted to because the Repubs control the house and senate and won't let anything pass that hurts them...imagine what will happen if we elect a Republican president..then all three branches of government will be in Republican hands

then the rich will be fucking us in the ass big time! :D

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« Reply #107 on: February 11, 2016, 01:06:36 PM »
Your kidding right.......both parties pander to the engine of capitalism unabashedly. Only Repubs want everybody to get rich. The dems play union games and minority games but sure as hell don't want blacks or latino's to get rich otherwise they'd loose their base.
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« Reply #108 on: February 11, 2016, 01:10:28 PM »
I don't agree with this.

They will come back as the rest of the world catches up to the US in terms of cost of living and what not. Eventually it will be just as expensive to make products in China and India as it is in the US. At that time, manufacturing comes back.

It's just the way of the world.



I like your optimisim :).....and I think your argument has some merit in that SOME manufacturing jobs will return, but the VAST majority will not because these very same companies are ripping off our patents and technology and will manufacture these products as knock-offs......China already engages in this policy......

As an exampl, We will probably NEVER make TV's ever again in the numbers that we did....or stereos....all our clothes are made overseas...thats definitely not coming back :D...adn even if they did, the wage will be much much less

Just guessing , but to make a TV workers here should probably be paid $25-30 an hour....but they will probably pay them $15-$17 to be competitive...hard to pay rent in New York City on that

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« Reply #109 on: February 11, 2016, 01:12:19 PM »
Your kidding right.......both parties pander to the engine of capitalism unabashedly. Only Repubs want everybody to get rich. The dems play union games and minority games but sure as hell don't want blacks or latino's to get rich otherwise they'd loose their base.

Repubs don't appear to want blacks to get rich either....they seldom even talk about blacks......at least Dems want FAIR taxation...try getting a Republican to say that :D

By the way, just pointing out that you brought up race again.....only because later you will deny it and say that I did like you usually do :D

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« Reply #110 on: February 11, 2016, 01:34:11 PM »
Dude.....the fact is that its the REPUBLICANS who protect these Billionaires so that they are not taxed or regulated....yes the Dems also get conributions from Wll Street, etc...but it has always been Republican politics to side with Millionaires and billionaires, calling it a "pro-business" agenda...Obama couldn't take on the rich even if he wanted to because the Repubs control the house and senate and won't let anything pass that hurts them...imagine what will happen if we elect a Republican president..then all three branches of government will be in Republican hands

then the rich will be fucking us in the ass big time! :D

No.  That's so far from the whole truth, it's not even funny.  The Democratic Party has been infiltrated by the same criminals who used to roam freely within the GOP, and it's brought us to where we are today: a place where "Mr. Soul Brother" Barack Obama is frantically pushing for free trade agreements like the TPP.  He's a two-faced lying bitch, trying to pretend he's some "cool" black guy.

Look at what people are doing, not what they're saying.  You'll find the entire mainstream Democratic Party has become corrupt and highly dangerous.

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« Reply #111 on: February 11, 2016, 01:40:05 PM »
No.  That's so far from the whole truth, it's not even funny.  The Democratic Party has been infiltrated by the same criminals who used to roam freely within the GOP, and it's brought us to where we are today: a place where "Mr. Soul Brother" Barack Obama is frantically pushing for free trade agreements like the TPP.  He's a two-faced lying bitch, trying to pretend he's some "cool" black guy.

Look at what people are doing, not what they're saying.  You'll find the entire mainstream Democratic Party has become corrupt and highly dangerous.

I disagree with this but we can go on and on all day long........and its really odd that people always bring up Obama's race.....it certainly seems to be a preoccupation with most of his critics but yet they deny it...

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« Reply #112 on: February 11, 2016, 01:42:24 PM »
I disagree with this but we can go on and on all day long........and its really odd that people always bring up Obama's race.....it certainly seems to be a preoccupation with most of his critics but yet they deny it...

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He uses it, so why wouldn't attention be brought to it?  It's what he wants and practically begs for.

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« Reply #113 on: February 11, 2016, 01:44:12 PM »
He uses it, so why wouldn't attention be brought to it?  It's what he wants and practically begs for.

thats in YOUR mind.....

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« Reply #114 on: February 11, 2016, 01:48:40 PM »
thats in YOUR mind.....

Delivered by my eyes and ears, yes.  That's exactly what he's doing, plain as the light of day, and it's kept his lie alive and thriving.  So in that sense, he's working it to his advantage and I'm sure his partners in crime think it's just smashing.

Personally, I'm not amused.

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« Reply #115 on: February 11, 2016, 01:49:19 PM »
Yes I am lazy.  :D

Is there any significance in this Conservatives?

Are we saying BUSH's 5% UE was the same crap?

Are there other numbers to compared to?


(just trying to get this debate away from the typical posturing and ad-hom many digress into.)

I'll try and answer some of this as best I can without cherry picking numbers.

2006 labor participation=66%, unemployment=4.7, us population=298.4 million

2008 labor participation=66%, January UE=5.0%, December UE=7.3%, us population=304.1 million

2009 LP rate=65.7% in january, 64.6% in december, UE=7.8% in january, 9.9% in december, population=306.8 million

2011 LP=64%, UE=9.0%, population=311.7 million

2015 LP=62.6%, UE=5.0%, population=320.9 million

So from that we can tell that unemployment jumped from 5% under bush in january of 2008 to 7.8% under obama by the beginning of his presidency. At the end of his first year it was up to 9.9%.  I don't think anyone is going to fault obama for that.  He took over a train wreck of an economy at that point  (better known as a recession). By 2011 he had it down to 9% but the labor participation rate had also fallen nearly 2%.  As we currently sit, he has the unemployment back down to 5.0% but has dropped labor participation nearly another 2 percent.  

My take on that is that he took over presidency at a shitty time.  He had to wait for his unemployment numbers to rebound, if we want to give him credit for that.  They were basically that low throughout bush's entire presidency until the recession.  What differs is the participation rate.  It remained mostly the same under bush whereas obama has had a deviation of 4%, the most under any presidency.  

If that is too long to read, obama got the unemployment rate back down to where bush had it his entire presidency until the very last months, while also dropping the labor participation rate a record 4%.  In other words, the US recovered from a recession under his presidency with plenty of them giving up on looking for jobs.

So....Bush was sub 5% unemployment through most of his presidency with a near consistent +66% labor participation.  Obama has gotten us back down under 5% with a record low 62% participation rate.  Make of that what you will.

All that being said, I don't know that i fault bush for the recession, just as i don't know that i fault obama for the labor participation decline, or credit him for the recovery from recession.

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« Reply #116 on: February 11, 2016, 02:01:05 PM »
I'll try and answer some of this as best I can without cherry picking numbers.

2006 labor participation=66%, unemployment=4.7, us population=298.4 million

2008 labor participation=66%, January UE=5.0%, December UE=7.3%, us population=304.1 million

2009 LP rate=65.7% in january, 64.6% in december, UE=7.8% in january, 9.9% in december, population=306.8 million

2011 LP=64%, UE=9.0%, population=311.7 million

2015 LP=62.6%, UE=5.0%, population=320.9 million

So from that we can tell that unemployment jumped from 5% under bush in january of 2008 to 7.8% under obama by the beginning of his presidency. At the end of his first year it was up to 9.9%.  I don't think anyone is going to fault obama for that.  He took over a train wreck of an economy at that point  (better known as a recession). By 2011 he had it down to 9% but the labor participation rate had also fallen nearly 2%.  As we currently sit, he has the unemployment back down to 5.0% but has dropped labor participation nearly another 2 percent.  

My take on that is that he took over presidency at a shitty time.  He had to wait for his unemployment numbers to rebound, if we want to give him credit for that.  They were basically that low throughout bush's entire presidency until the recession.  What differs is the participation rate.  It remained mostly the same under bush whereas obama has had a deviation of 4%, the most under any presidency.  

If that is too long to read, obama got the unemployment rate back down to where bush had it his entire presidency until the very last months, while also dropping the labor participation rate a record 4%.  In other words, the US recovered from a recession under his presidency with plenty of them giving up on looking for jobs.

So....Bush was sub 5% unemployment through most of his presidency with a near consistent +66% labor participation.  Obama has gotten us back down under 5% with a record low 62% participation rate.  Make of that what you will.


Thanks,

So the difference is 66%-62.6% = 3.4% of 320,000,000 or 10.8 million people?

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« Reply #117 on: February 11, 2016, 02:02:02 PM »

Thanks,

So the difference is 66%-62.6% = 3.4% of 320,000,000 or 10.8 million people?


From what i see, yes.

Hopefully Whork reads this, so he understands what actual data looks like.  That guy uses words that he doesn't understand more than anyone on this board.

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« Reply #118 on: February 11, 2016, 04:11:09 PM »
From what i see, yes.

Hopefully Whork reads this, so he understands what actual data looks like.  That guy uses words that he doesn't understand more than anyone on this board.

I don't know too much about this and how its calculated.   

But just looking at, there also might be other factors in that in 2008 we had 66% of 304.1 million peeps vs. 62.6 of 320.9 million peeps now combined with people going out of the workforce because they retire or are too old to work or too young.

I would think a percentage of working age people, UE and LP on those numbers would be more telling.     


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« Reply #119 on: February 11, 2016, 04:14:28 PM »
I don't know too much about this and how its calculated.   

But just looking at, there also might be other factors in that in 2008 we had 66% of 304.1 million peeps vs. 62.6 of 320.9 million peeps now combined with people going out of the workforce because they retire or are too old to work or too young.

I would think a percentage of working age people, UE and LP on those numbers would be more telling.     



I agree.  I just provided the data that was readily available.  I don't fault obama for the labor participation, nor do i celebrate him as andre does for unemployment recovering to the rate it was before a recession.   

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Funny, when ever you get backed into a corner you bring up shit from 25 years ago that has absolutely no relevance to today. Besides, I don't recall ever saying I voted for him. Can you find that. As a matter of fact i was in no shape nor did I even care about voting.

I sure can, Coach, since you asked...

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Andre still silver lining obama's disastrous and treasonous presidency i see - nothing changes. 

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I think it's interesting Rob and Coach used to "be boys".

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I think it's interesting Rob and Coach used to "be boys".

The 4.8% figure is as useless as Obama saying he is married to a woman.  Doesnt mean the FNG thing as most people living in this economy know the truth to be different. 

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The 4.8% figure is as useless as Obama saying he is married to a woman.  Doesnt mean the FNG thing as most people living in this economy know the truth to be different. 

Not sure what that has to do with my statement, but yes, the number is useless. As all UE numbers since the 70s have been.