A carb is a carb, Cephissus destroys glycemic index myth

[ritch]

Do you have any evidence that the body responds differently to free weights when compared to machines/cables?

yes, personal experience. Have done this many times.

I need a mix of them to be my best, it's never an "all or nothing" response here. Nothing is all negative here, would say "some machines are good, some cable movements are good, some free weight movements are good"

[OB1]

How does a carb magically transform when its inside a piece of cake, as opposed to a piece of chicken? 

LOL.
What will be the final form of said transformation?

[OB1]

yes, personal experience. Have done this many times.

I need a mix of them to be my best, it's never an "all or nothing" response here. Nothing is all negative here, would say "some machines are good, some cable movements are good, some free weight movements are good"

Yes.
Noticed the same.
In the end I settled for like one third free weights, one third machines and one third cables.

[SF1900]

yes, personal experience. Have done this many times.

I need a mix of them to be my best, it's never an "all or nothing" response here. Nothing is all negative here, would say "some machines are good, some cable movements are good, some free weight movements are good"

Personal experience is poor evidence when trying to prove a claim. There is no way you can assert that your muscle gains came from one exercise or another. If you do a mixture of free weights and cables/machines, how do you know which one your body is responding to best? There is no way you can objectively tell.

[ritch]

Yes.
Noticed the same.
In the end I settled for like one third free weights, one third machines and on third cables.

I like that as well. Or I may do just two movements but make them all free weight but same total sets I would have done over a free weight, machine, then cable. They all have their value in regards to how they stimulate muscle.

No idea why it has to be an "all or nothing" approach. The body gets tired from fee weights, yet still has gas to continue but CNS gets tired. So stuff that is easier on the CNS yet still stimulates the muscle at this point is a great option.

[SF1900]

LOL.
What will be the final form of said transformation?

These are the structures of a carb. The structures of a carb do not change because its inside a piece of cake, and not a chicken breast.

[ritch]

Personal experience is poor evidence when trying to prove a claim. There is no way you can assert that your muscle gains came from one exercise or another. If you do a mixture of free weights and cables/machines, how do you know which one your body is responding to best? There is no way you can objectively tell.

I totally disagree but if you feel you're getting great results as you're doing now, stick with it.

Been at this 26 years man, I've done a lot of comparing, helped a lot of people, so my opinion is more than valid and my inner voice logic is better than most hence why I look better than most and use less gear even.

So, ha! Pecker waiving contest over, you lose, I win.

[Simple Simon]

Personal experience is poor evidence when trying to prove a claim. There is no way you can assert that your muscle gains came from one exercise or another. If you do a mixture of free weights and cables/machines, how do you know which one your body is responding to best? There is no way you can objectively tell.

its the best way of proving something to yourself.

[OB1]

These are the structures of a carb. The structures of a carb do not change because its inside a piece of cake, and not a chicken breast.

I never said anything like that.
But yes...
These are the different types of carbs I was refering to.

[OB1]

its the best way of proving something to yourself.

True.

[Simple Simon]

These are the structures of a carb. The structures of a carb do not change because its inside a piece of cake, and not a chicken breast.

If you look at that closely, yes they do.
and a chicken breast doesnt contain carbs.

[anabolicguru]

carb is a carb, Any Diabetic will tell you otherwise

[SF1900]

its the best way of proving something to yourself.

And in this world, that is all that is needed for most people, in order to trump themselves up! 

[anabolicguru]

These are the structures of a carb. The structures of a carb do not change because its inside a piece of cake, and not a chicken breast.

no carbs in chicken moron

[Simple Simon]

And in this world, that is all that is needed for most people, in order to trump themselves up! 

I dont think "ritch" needs to trump himself up.

[OB1]

carb is a carb, Any Diabetic will tell you otherwise

 

Yeah.

[ritch]

So if someone got a "mass program" and had nothing but cables and a few machines, you'd agree it's a good one?

If you say "yes" to that, you are even dumber than I thought you were.

Nice playing with you boys on this matter, sucks to always be right, but what can ya do?

Ta, ta....

[OB1]

So if someone got a "mass program" and had nothing but cables and a few machines, you'd agree it's a good one?

If you say "yes" to that, you are even dumber than I thought you were.

Nice playing with you boys on this matter, sucks to always be right, but what can ya do?

Ta, ta....

Free weights are essential/a must and should form the base of any weight training.
Mainly because they stimulate stabilizer muscles also and therefore will build more overall strength.
Also there will be a difference physique wise as opposed to machine/cable training only.

[Simple Simon]

carb is a carb, Any Diabetic will tell you otherwise

Yes, a diabetic who is slipping into a coma will instinctively reach for a potato, he knows a carb is a carb.

[SF1900]

no carbs in chicken moron

It was just an example. Replace chicken with a potato.

[SF1900]

So if someone got a "mass program" and had nothing but cables and a few machines, you'd agree it's a good one?

If you say "yes" to that, you are even dumber than I thought you were.

Nice playing with you boys on this matter, sucks to always be right, but what can ya do?

Ta, ta....

You'd have to demonstrate to me that person X can either build or not build the same amount of muscle when comparing cables/machines to free weights.

Why should I accept any claim without demonstrable evidence?   

[Simple Simon]

It was just an example. Replace chicken with a potato.

you not posting a picture explained in one post.

[ritch]

You'd have to demonstrate to me that person X can either build or not build the same amount of muscle when comparing cables/machines to free weights.

Why should I accept any claim without demonstrable evidence?   

I sent you all the studies and proof via snail mail.
Patience, it's coming!

In the meantime, you can live in FEAR knowing I'm right!
Ahahahahahah.....

[SF1900]

you not posting a picture explained in one post.

Chicken and potatoes.

[Never1AShow]

Cephissus's chart seemed to show that whether you call it a complex carb or a simple carb, and regardless of the chemical composition, except for a few outliers they affect the blood sugar and insulin pretty similarly.

This means there's a heck of a lot of bro science and people talking out of their asses about the differences between carbs and their effect on the body.