rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?

[SF1900]

Do you claim the people are made-up, SF?

If a Historian wants to prove that person X said a particular quote, do you think they tell their colleagues, "Oh, yeah, check this site. X person said it." Um, no. They use the historical method to affirm historical data, whether its quotes, interviews, or events. So, no, the quotes do not automatically stand for themselves. What stands for itself is GOOD evidence, and telling us to just "find sites with quotes" is not good evidence and not the way it works. And since you're making the claim, you have to prove to us via demonstrable evidence, that all these quotes and eyewitness testimonies are real, i.e., verbatim, an accurate depiction oef events, etc, etc, etc. This is what historians do when attempting to verify any historical event, quote, etc.

So, was Abraham Lincoln "made up?" No. But that does not mean we are not going to need verifiable proof that he said X quote or engaged in X historical event. As such, believing or not believing if these people are made up has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Even people we know existed, still requires evidence that they said X quote or engaged in X historical event. Hell, religious people even provide some evidence that Jesus said X quote or engaged in X historical event. Yet, you cannot even provide some solid evidence from credible sources that these quotes exist. Cross-references would help to support the quote. Now, is there a good chance that these quotes are real from eyewitness testimonies? Yes, there is a very good chance, however, I cannot determine this until you provide the evidence. I await your evidence.

I know, I know, it sucks when you have to provide ACTUAL evidence to support a claim. That damn evidence!!!

But I will no longer go back and forth with you. I have used logic and reason to state my case. You have done nothing of the sort. I will check back to see if you provided any evidence.

[chaos]

Do you claim the people are made-up, SF?

I googled those people, while conspiracy sites use their testimony, other sites reveal that the testimony used is taken out of context, partial statements, one was even exposed as repeating what he watched on tv as his own eyewitness testimony.
Not sure how that was supposed to prove a missle hit the Pentagon 

[SF1900]

I googled those people, while conspiracy sites use their testimony, other sites reveal that the testimony used is taken out of context, partial statements, one was even exposed as repeating what he watched on tv as his own eyewitness testimony.
Not sure how that was supposed to prove a missle hit the Pentagon 

Bingo, which is why I said that the quotes DO NOT STAND for themselves. What stands for itself is GOOD EVIDENCE. When examining a historical quote or event for accuracy, there are many steps that must be taken into account. Thus, pointing to a site with a list of quotes is stupid. Quotes may have been altered, modified, partially deleted, or taken out of context, to prove the sites agenda. If LV has so much "faith" in these sites, then he needs to provide evidence that these quotes are historically accurate, which is an extremely daunting task.

So, it seems like Las Vegas wants us to take these quotes at face value and just trust what the sites say. 

[Las Vegas]

I googled those people, while conspiracy sites use their testimony, other sites reveal that the testimony used is taken out of context, partial statements, one was even exposed as repeating what he watched on tv as his own eyewitness testimony.
Not sure how that was supposed to prove a missle hit the Pentagon 

The idea is that their statements support the idea of a decoy plane, which ties in with the missile claim (basically what obsidian has been claiming).

I'd be interested to hear your take on it.

[Las Vegas]

Bingo, which is why I said that the quotes DO NOT STAND for themselves. What stands for itself is GOOD EVIDENCE. When examining a historical quote or event for accuracy, there are many steps that must be taken into account. Thus, pointing to a site with a list of quotes is stupid. Quotes may have been altered, modified, partially deleted, or taken out of context, to prove the sites agenda. If LV has so much "faith" in these sites, then he needs to provide evidence that these quotes are historically accurate, which is an extremely daunting task.

So, it seems like Las Vegas wants us to take these quotes at face value and just trust what the sites say. 

In case I haven't mentioned it, I do believe a plane hit the Pentagon.  Have I mentioned that?

[SF1900]

The idea is that their statements support the idea of a decoy plane, which ties in with the missile claim (basically what obsidian has been claiming).

I'd be interested to hear your take on it.

Hear his take on what? He just proved you wrong that the quotes are historically inaccurate lol. If their quotes are partially deleted, taken out of context, and misrepresented, they DO NOT support the idea of a decoy plane. They do not support anything, since they are inaccurate.

Holy crap, I do not even know what to say to you lol.  

[SF1900]

In case I haven't mentioned it, I do believe a plane hit the Pentagon.  Have I mentioned that?

okay, but youre still saying these quotes support ANOTHER claim. And that claim needs to be verified with solid evidence, which is proving that these quotes and eyewitness testimonies are historically accurate. You have not done this.

[Las Vegas]

Chaos, would you post a few links to whatever you find most interesting?

[chaos]

The idea is that their statements support the idea of a decoy plane, which ties in with the missile claim (basically what obsidian has been claiming).

I'd be interested to hear your take on it.

Some witnesses claim a c130 followed the plane that hit the pentagon, hardly a decoy. Even those witnesses vary, the cops whos names you listed categorically  deny a second plane, another one swears the second plane was there.
Lol

[Las Vegas]

Some witnesses claim a c130 followed the plane that hit the pentagon, hardly a decoy. Even those witnesses vary, the cops whos names you listed categorically  deny a second plane, another one swears the second plane was there.
Lol

What about the cops, as far as which side of the station the plane was on?

[SF1900]

Oh, may I also add that eyewitness testimonies are often not reliable. They already showed via research, that multiple people will report a different set of facts after viewing the SAME EXACT scenario. Everyone has their own take on what happened.

[Las Vegas]

Some witnesses claim a c130 followed the plane that hit the pentagon, hardly a decoy. Even those witnesses vary, the cops whos names you listed categorically  deny a second plane, another one swears the second plane was there.
Lol

Is the C130 the DD Plane?

[Las Vegas]

Here's an interesting thread on Legasse.  It looks like he changed his initial statement.

http://z15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=10565

[chaos]

What about the cops, as far as which side of the station the plane was on?

What about it?

[Las Vegas]

I'm not backing or claiming any of this stuff, but since I got myself into it, here's something on the Pentagon cops.

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[Griffith]

You need to read the other posts in the thread to work out what I was getting at.
Someone wrote that they brought down the towers so they could make snooping on the internet legal and yet completely ignore legalities and go to war.

Ok, I see what you're saying.

[Ropo]

IMO, the falling fuel (lots of it, combined with a long space to travel and as much as a static charge in that confined area) would create explosions like a mothrfuckr.  And it would blast through all sorts of shit very neatly just as the floors are arranged, thanks to elevator doors being on every floor.

There were firefighters in a panic and questioning whether explosives had been placed, due to what they were seeing.  

For me, that's a satisfactory explanation when it comes to the explosions.

No, that is childish explanation to the thing which didn't happen. Why? You need just right air/fuel mixture to make an exploding gas, but if there isn't any compression, it just burns like a flash. That's why it can't be called explosion, even if it create loud noise. What do you need for explosion? It's depending how you are going to register it. In reality, some substance which has burning speed more than 7000 meters per second, and if you see something like that, you have no doubt if it was an explosion. But if you only hear it? Any loud and sharp noise can do, your brain cannot make the difference, if you aren't expert who work with explosions. If you hear it first time inside the building which ison fire and you are stressed to the max, it's impossible to hear the difference, because your ears just can't do it. It can be anything, water bottle, fire extinguisher, back up battery of the UPS, what ever but not explosive, because explosives has much more than just noise in them. They have that energy, which is impossible to hide, and which moves material up to 14 000 meters per second. .

[dr.chimps]

No, that is childish explanation to the thing which didn't happen. Why? You need just right air/fuel mixture to make an exploding gas, but if there isn't any compression, it just burns like a flash. That's why it can't be called explosion, even if it create loud noise. What do you need for explosion? It's depending how you are going to register it. In reality, some substance which has burning speed more than 7000 meters per second, and if you see something like that, you have no doubt if it was an explosion. But if you only hear it? Any loud and sharp noise can do, your brain cannot make the difference, if you aren't expert who work with explosions. If you hear it first time inside the building which ison fire and you are stressed to the max, it's impossible to hear the difference, because your ears just can't do it. It can be anything, water bottle, fire extinguisher, back up battery of the UPS, what ever but not explosive, because explosives has much more than just noise in them. They have that energy, which is impossible to hide, and which moves material up to 14 000 meters per second. .

D _-

[Ropo]

Any site with significant traffic that openly talks about Conspiracy Theories is put on a rotation of COINTELPRO posters who's job it is is to call out people and use all the types of language ROPO uses in every single one of his posts about the subject. The woman below lost her job for explaining what is going on in internet forums etc. She did a great 10 min TED talk about it...

 

In those so many other things which you haven't been able to prove, this cointelpro- nonsense has to be most stupid. Lets look your logic little closer? You say that there is organizations who willingly kills children's, citizens of their own country, their own military and such, but their only way to fight against truhters is hire people to thousands of different forums in different languages and countries just to call them idiots? Really?

These organizations has endless budgets and army of killers, so what I would do is check out your IP address, come to your house and burn it down with you in it. In reality, net is full of intelligence agencies who already know everything about you, and only reason you are still living is the fact, that you are just a harmless moron. I bet my ass in any fucking second of the day, if these agencies doesn't have files about you, because I know that you use frequently words which they have in their watchlists. So if they know your face, your address, your social security number, your fingerprints, your parents and your family history from year 1600 to present day, why in the name of hell they need me? They need to kill only few of you apes, and all others would disappear for good, scared shitless  

"What happen that abnominal asshole, that truther which was always here talking that foil hat crap? " "They find his corpse from the ruins of his parents trailer, blackened keyboard hanging from his charred fingers..."  

[Ropo]

never questioned it before but now thinking about it and re-watching, those buildings fell like any controlled demolition i've seen before, like the bottoms being pulled out from them. I think if the buildings were going to collapse in any way it would be  very uneven  and only as parts from the damaged section weaken further and fall downwards.

Well, look again. Here is some controlled demolitions for you:

What are the first two indicators which tell you that something is happening? Horizontal burst of dust, and the rhythmic sound of explosives. At the 9/11? No such thing, even it has many times stronger structure made from massive steel.

Explanation? Here you go..

[Ropo]

You're on your way.  Keep going and stick your head even deeper in your ass..

Fixed..

[Ropo]

Another Ropo, albeit less histrionic.

Many explosions were heard/experienced in the lower floors of the towers before the plane hit that could not be explained.

And as it has been said plenty of times before, it isn't what you hear, it is what you can prove. Do you think that you hear real explosions in the movies? No, they are just sound effects, made digitally in the studio. Have you ever heard a real explosion? What, where? There in plenty of examples how your hearing could fool you if you don't see what is source of the noise, so please don't post that crap anymore. Here is something just for you:

[Ropo]

WTC 7 fell at practically free fall speed and was not "framed tube" construction.  Please explain how that happened.

Just chance to video to that, which shows you complete collapse, not last few seconds of it. Or are you saying that you don't see the difference?

Youtube video runs in real time, and shows whole collapse, while foil hat gif is made to present you just last three seconds of the 12-15 second collapse. Most of normal people see that as lying, but insane brats like yourself think that this manipulated crap is truth? Do you understand how stupid you look just now?

[Ropo]

Interesting.

True. And it is also a fact that parts of that insulation was missing by various reasons, mostly by vibrations from the earlier car bomb.

[Ropo]

Where? Please give some links to such claims. I kick both of your ases(Ropo the retarded inbreed and you) and now after 14 pages you jump here with a plethora of bullshit backup  by your fucking imagination. I already debunked your 1% of the total population argument. But just in case, my main point stands and that is:

 Just claims and opinions. HOW CAN THIS VIDEO BE CLAIMS AND OPINIONS, YOU RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT, DID YOU NOT WATCH THE ENTIRE VIDEO? IT SHOWS CLEARLY AS DAY WHERE THE PLANE HIT THE BUILDING AND THE TINY PART THAT THE TOP 15 FLOORS REPRESENTED VS THE REST OF THE BUILDING.

 HOW THAT FUCK CAN 15 FLOORS CRUSH 90-95 FLOORS IN STRAIGHT LINE DOWN TO IT'S BASE, TROUGH THE PATH OF MOST RESISTANT, PULVERIZING CONCRETE AND LUNCHING STEEL BEENS 600 YARD TO THE SIDE IN A STAGGERING 12 FUCKING SECONDS? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE BASIC LAWS OF PHYSICS YOU FUCKING INBREED!!!!

HOW CAN 15000 POUNDS CRUSH 90000 POUNDS WITH NO ACCELARATION IN BETWEEN BECAUSE OF DEBILITATED STEEL ALL THE WAY UP IN THE 90-95 FLOOR? PROVIDE US WITH ANY VIDEO WITH A SITUATION SIMILAR IN WHICH A SKYSCRAPER ON FIRE OBLITERATE ITS SELF TO IT'S BASE? !!!!

And here is where you two bozos(Ropo the retarded inbreed and you) will always be remember as the two retards of Getbig for the rest of this site's history. No matter how many videos and information we put up debunking the bullshit official conspiracy report of 9/11, you two keep hammering the stupidity by what has been proven to date to be one of the most corrupt, incompetent, tyrannical and criminal government of our times.

You even wrote that you didn't trust our government and believes to be corrupted. But somehow the government told you the truth about that day, where 19 goat shepherds defeated a  multi-billion dollar defense system, masterminded by a terrorist hidden in cave of third world country. And three steel skyscrapers came down due to fuel and office fire. Let that story sink in for a moment and go back and watch the video on the link above, please.

Hey, you bleeding hemorrhoid infected asshole, how exactly you are kicking anybody's ass while you don't have anything to prove your claims? If you want to prove that there was a conspiracy,  prove that there were controlled demolition. You silly fucker can't do even that, because your best and only argument is that "it look like one". How anyone can be so fucking stupid that he thinks that arguments like that has any value? Let me explain this like I would explain it to the stupid child:

1. you have to have 400 meters tall buildings
2. you have to have passenger jets, size of the Boeing 767
3. you have to have similar tonnage of kerosene
4. you have to have similar fire load inside the building
5. you have to have similar weather, wind etc.
and after everything is just like it was 9/11/2001, you have to crash that plane to the building to start the fire, and then you can compare this to the things which happen in 9/11.

How about that? What you have? Nothing but idiotic claims, no evidence what so ever...and you are kicking butt's here? You are just another moron, who blindly believe that foil hat crap which has never proved by any kind of facts. And this, dear child, this is a fact.