rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?

[lilhawk1]

And yes there was thermite found at the site... Molten steel as well, pools of it.. Interviews with firefighters confirm that.. Pyroclastic flow from thermite used in the demolitions with pulverized concrete.. Look at a normal building collapse, then compare it to controlled demo.  There is not much dust with normal collapse.. Demolition, you have what we saw at WTC.  Cars, buses, all charred to the frame from the heat caused by the demolitions.. You can reiterate your bullshit story over and over.. It's simply garbage..

[M4tad0r]

I have, I was truffer at first.   The enthusiasm to legitimately prove it was an "inside job" led to the conclusion truffer arguments are rubbish.


Haven't seen any "qualified professionals" submit a peer reviewed science based argument that refutes findings from the official report or from professors at places like MIT, Northwestern and Purdue universities. (been saving those for your youtube monkey cohort, but he can't even admit that a discussion on how the WTC collapsed preceded a study on how they can make buildings safer from terrorist attack like 9/11)


Most youtube 9/11 vids are final cut "slapped togethers with dramatic music."  They are designed to sway you with rhetorical questions based on false premises.

Research from credible sources will give you tangible arguments for or against.

Not BS at all, and credible sources have supported the official report in their own research, people with direct expertise in the related fields.

Why don't you give us such links then. Thankyou in advance.

You know who never presented any peer reviewed science based arguments? Nist and all goverment bodies for that matter. When presented with Foia, it was all turn down. The NIST website that actually says the fires were as hot as 1800f, guess what? they never turn in their model or how they calculated such temperatures.  Too bad that report was never up for peer review, and I challenge you to prove me and every body here otherwise.

Same thing with the black boxes from all 4 planes.

And all footage from the pentagon and surrounding buildings who had security cameras recording that day. More than 85 tapes according to the FBI. Why was Foia turn down?

We will be waiting.

OZMO "the american" full of rubbish, "legend on his own mind" Government dick rider's logic 101 who now claims been debunking 9/11 CT's for 9 years.   HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHAHAA

Man up and shut da fuck up!!!

All you been doing is getting:

[OzmO]

I never said Bush talked about the towers being prewired... Learn to read..,I said he said in an interview he saw the first plane hit the tower, which was impossible because he was sitting in a classroom at the time... Come out of the dark ages and open your eyes,, more than half of Americans now believe our own government had a part in 9/11.  You don't debunk shit, and you can't prove shit because all you do is reiterate the official story, which everyone with a shred of intelligence knows is absolute bullshit..

I was referring to m4tad0r as the youtube monkey and how he is running from what i called him out on.  Which is referencing a 2006 press conference he posted. 

I call people names because when i show them to be 100% wrong they run like bitches.

Exmaple: the youtube monkey


Fact:  Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact:  it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact:  There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11

Maybe you should learn to read

I am asking you to pick a section of 9/11 and you and i can debate it.

And yes there was thermite found at the site... Molten steel as well, pools of it.. Interviews with firefighters confirm that.. Pyroclastic flow from thermite used in the demolitions with pulverized concrete.. Look at a normal building collapse, then compare it to controlled demo.  There is not much dust with normal collapse.. Demolition, you have what we saw at WTC.  Cars, buses, all charred to the frame from the heat caused by the demolitions.. You can reiterate your bullshit story over and over.. It's simply garbage..

You want to go the thermite issue then?

Just pick dude.  I will refrain from personal attacks and we can have a civil discussion about it.  

Up to you.

[OzmO]

Why don't you give us such links then. Thankyou in advance.

You know who never presented any peer reviewed science based arguments? Nist and all goverment bodies for that matter. When presented with Foia, it was all turn down. The NIST website that actually says the fires were as hot as 1800f, guess what? they never turn in their model or how they calculated such temperatures.  Too bad that report was never up for peer review, and I challenge you to prove me and every body here otherwise.

Same thing with the black boxes from all 4 planes.

And all footage from the pentagon and surrounding buildings who had security cameras recording that day. More than 85 tapes according to the FBI. Why was Foia turn down?

We will be waiting.

OZMO "the american" full of rubbish, "legend on his own mind" Government dick rider's logic 101 who now claims been debunking 9/11 CT's for 9 years.   HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHAHAA

Man up and shut da fuck up!!!

All you been doing is getting:

M4tad0r, I would be more than happy to go to any area you want on 9/11  but first you must address your failures:

Fact:  Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact:  it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact:  There are discussions and studies at colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11

[OzmO]

10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always "sheep", patsies for Messrs Bush and Blair etc.

2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about a conspiracy no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simply discredited. (Moreover, as per 1. above, even if you listen to them ninety-eight times, the ninety-ninth time, when you say "no thanks", you'll be called a "sheep" again.) Additionally, they have no capacity for precis whatsoever. They go on and on at enormous length.

3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

4. Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include Cicero's "cui bono?" (of which it can be said that Cicero understood the importance of having evidence to back it up) and Conan Doyle's "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth". What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence themselves: you simply "eliminate the impossible" (i.e. say the official account can't stand scrutiny) which means that the wild allegation of your choice, based on "cui bono?" (which is always the government) is therefore the truth.

5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.

6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.

7. Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.

8. Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist.

9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes scandals like the Birmingham Six, the Bologna station bombings, the Zinoviev letter and so on in order to try and demonstrate that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight (because it's “happened before”.) They do not pause to reflect that the conspiracies they are touting are almost always far more unlikely and complicated than the real-life conspiracies with which they make comparison, or that the fact that something might potentially happen does not, in and of itself, make it anything other than extremely unlikely.

10. It's always a conspiracy. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question.

M4tad0r, I would be more than happy to go to any area you want on 9/11  but first you must address your failures:

Fact:  Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact:  it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact:  There are discussions and studies at colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11

[illuminati]

In addition to not knowing the how our defense system worked that day, you also don't know how to use the "quote" feature on this forum today.

Perhaps you can ask a 6th grader to help you.

In the meantime do you have anything of substance to back up any of your absurd claims?

Still can't back up what you can you?

This is something a 6th grader would say.

Well Perhaps You As A Highly Skilled 6th Grader could help explain how to
Properly use the Quote Feature. -- That Would Be Good.

And it would also Help You No End as You are clearly Struggling To Read My Post.
A Few Years More at School Should Help that for You.


As I don't know How your Defence System Worked on that fateful Day or indeed Now
Maybe You Would Be So Kind As To Explain Just How Well The Defence System Worked
That Day In Not Preventing The Crash Into The Pentagon.

To Someone uneducated on Your Marvellous Defence System.
I Still Say It Didn't Work - As No Planes Were Stopped & Nothing Was defended.

[thebrink]

The greatest lie to the American public ever, in order to get the Nation to back a series of wars, give up their security and liberties, and the rest is history.

Since that day the US is still at war. Americans are treated like criminals in their own airports. The NSA has the ability to see anyone and everyone's private info thanks to technology. Last but not least there's a scapegoat to make it all plausible...al quaeda. Well that one got old, so now it's ISIS. It feels like pro wrestling, where the heels (bad guy gimmicks) are scripted overnight and you guys buy it up.

Like I said before, if you can honestly watch a documentary like loose change, or zeitgeist and can't question anything about these events, there is a problem with you. If you were less than 13-14 years of age when this happened (2001) let alone born, you need to shut the fuck up on this issue. There can be kids online or wherever, who are teenagers now, but weren't born when this happened. You simply do not understand the magnitude of what these events changed in modern history. The life we all live in now in north America is shifted and affected by this. And so you can imagine the reality of a government staging an attack on its own soil, making it look like it was an "enemy" and killing many in the process is a pretty big deal. People grew soft. This is the type of thing that could get the public to back the country into war. Nothing less would suffice. I agree it's a serious matter and everyone should stand on the side of justice, the only problem is you were (we were all) lied to about that day.

Why a government chooses to "classify" documents and then release them to the public 30-40 years later is insane. Case in point operation northwoods in the 1960's . You can see that way back then, the US had no problem provoking an attack on Cuba based on a false flag. Look back at how Hitler gained power after the Reichstag building burned down. Its nothing new, history repeats itself, but idiots everywhere are too stupid to see for themselves.

Those who don't learn from history are damned to repeat it.

Apparently these are all just coincidences 

[Disgusted]

So a few years ago at a family get together I was talking to a guy who does demolitions all over the US. We finally got on the subject of WTC 7. This is basically what he said.

1. It was brought down with explosives.
2. This would have taken months of expert planning
3. He said he would never publically talk about it to anyone.

He honestly freaked me out a little the way he told me.

[Las Vegas]

That perfectly round hole is from a cruise missile with a penetrating warhead on it.  Period.... Where are the marks from the wings?  Where are the wings, they surely didn't just fold up and follow the plane in the hole did they?

The question about the wings is a good one, yes.  Explanations have been pitched for that, no doubt, but will have a better look at what they were.  I do recall those often start with, "it's not going to make an airplane-shaped cutout", as though the only possible alternative is so dumb as that to think.

[lilhawk1]

WTC 7 is a textbook controlled demolition.  It fell at free fall speed into its own footprint.  How was it reported on the news to have collapsed 25 minutes before it actually did?  Because the news was scripted, and it was a planned controlled demo.  The news fucked up and reported it too early.  How can anyone watch this video of the collapse and not come to the conclusion it was a controlled demo?

[chaos]

So a few years ago at a family get together I was talking to a guy who does demolitions all over the US. We finally got on the subject of WTC 7. This is basically what he said.

1. It was brought down with explosives.
2. This would have taken months of expert planning
3. He said he would never publically talk about it to anyone.

He honestly freaked me out a little the way he told me.

Months of planning and dozens of people. Why hasn't a single person stepped forward and blown the whistle?

[Colossus_1986]

Months of planning and dozens of people. Why hasn't a single person stepped forward and blown the whistle?

Do you have any idea how many people work for intelligence agencies? For USA or other countries?
It's not hard to stay tight lipped when you:

A) have a job or military training where you are constantly operating in secrecy day in day out.

B) Paid a shit load of money for what you do. It helps if you don't give a shit and trust me there are more people than you know who fall in that category especially if they're not AMERICAN...

C) Work for such an organization (CIA or equivalent) and you know the extent of their power, and reach. Speaking out wouldn't end well for you and possibly loved ones.

I am not one to automatically entertain every single "theory" but employees of the towers did give statements in which
they attest to certain floors of the WTC 1 & 2 being "blocked off" for weeks. No elevator access to those floors, and they also
heard lots and lots of heavy machinery, objects being moved day after day. Also there was a complete power-down the weekend
right before 9/11. All security systems were paralyzed for over 48 hours. Not long after Larry Silverstien purchased the towers, bomb
sniffing dogs were removed from the security detail as well.

[chaos]

Do you have any idea how many people work for intelligence agencies? For USA or other countries?
It's not hard to stay tight lipped when you:

A) have a job or military training where you are constantly operating in secrecy day in day out.

B) Paid a shit load of money for what you do. It helps if you don't give a shit and trust me there are more people than you know who fall in that category especially if they're not AMERICAN...

C) Work for such an organization (CIA or equivalent) and you know the extent of their power, and reach. Speaking out wouldn't end well for you and possibly loved ones.

I am not one to automatically entertain every single "theory" but employees of the towers did give statements in which
they attest to certain floors of the WTC 1 & 2 being "blocked off" for weeks. No elevator access to those floors, and they also
heard lots and lots of heavy machinery, objects being moved day after day. Also there was a complete power-down the weekend
right before 9/11. All security systems were paralyzed for over 48 hours. Not long after Larry Silverstien purchased the towers, bomb
sniffing dogs were removed from the security detail as well.

Links to all this info? Not heresay links, but legitimate links.

[Colossus_1986]

Also, one other story that I only knew about recently is that in the period leading up to 9/11,
a group of Israelis (non-U.S. citizens) managed to secure “temporary construction” passes to
perform work on the 91st floor.

Apparently long forgotten is this 2002 Daily Mail story about the U.S. arresting and deporting
200 Israelis, some of whom posed as “art students,” for spying and espionage activities in the lead up to 9/11.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/1387069/US-arrests-200-young-Israelis-in-spying-investigation.html

Also new york times covered these art studens:
http://www.gelitin.net/uploaded/PDF/B-Thing/NYT180801.pdf

[Colossus_1986]

Links to all this info? Not heresay links, but legitimate links.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegLpgJmFL8

Start at 2:47, and watch for 3-4 mins they talk about mostly what I said. Testimony from the employees, maintenance workers.

[chaos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DegLpgJmFL8

Start at 2:47, and watch for 3-4 mins they talk about mostly what I said. Testimony from the employees, maintenance workers.

Under the same guise we can assume bigfoot, space aliens, ghosts, chupacabra and the loch ness monster are real, correct?

[M4tad0r]

Do you have any idea how many people work for intelligence agencies? For USA or other countries?
It's not hard to stay tight lipped when you:

A) have a job or military training where you are constantly operating in secrecy day in day out.

B) Paid a shit load of money for what you do. It helps if you don't give a shit and trust me there are more people than you know who fall in that category especially if they're not AMERICAN...

C) Work for such an organization (CIA or equivalent) and you know the extent of their power, and reach. Speaking out wouldn't end well for you and possibly loved ones.

I am not one to automatically entertain every single "theory" but employees of the towers did give statements in which
they attest to certain floors of the WTC 1 & 2 being "blocked off" for weeks. No elevator access to those floors, and they also
heard lots and lots of heavy machinery, objects being moved day after day. Also there was a complete power-down the weekend
right before 9/11. All security systems were paralyzed for over 48 hours. Not long after Larry Silverstien purchased the towers, bomb
sniffing dogs were removed from the security detail as well.

The families who had members that perished in the twin towers, more than 3000 who settled out court thanks to the Zionist Jews, how much you think they paid them?  We will never know. Only  100 families wanted a criminal investigation which was never conducted. The FBI never charged Bin laden with 9/11 although there was a bounty on his head for  25 millions in the 90's. This are facts, no conspiracies theories.

Another example of people not coming forward is the NSA, out of the thousands of people that work there how many have come forward on the illegal wiretapping of American citizens? 1 and now he's hiding in Russia, lol.

[M4tad0r]

A criminal investigation is what is need to be open on 9/11 so testimony and evidence can come together in a court of law and everything would be reveled and put to rest so all this CT's can shut up, lol.

Thing that would come to light, all the footage of the pentagon.

The information on the black boxes.

All the testimony of witnesses who heard explosion, the planes, conclusion presented, models used in the reports from Nist and all other goverment bodies presented as well so it could be  peer review by institutions of higher learning.

I guarantee all of this nonsense of conspiracies would go away because it wouldn't be back up by intelligent people, and people with career that continue to see the inconsistencies on 9/11, not just some internet losers.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Photos on day of 9/11.  Bush sure looks relaxed speaking to the national air guard after the buildings were hit.



Cheney is smirking.  Fucking asshole

[M4tad0r]

Months of planning and dozens of people. Why hasn't a single person stepped forward and blown the whistle?

Compartmentalization.

Bernard Maddoff, Enron, BP and the gulf incident. Not to mention those people would be in fear of losing their life. Mosad are not to be taking lightly, they specialized in assassination.

The 1972 Summer Olympics incident and aftermath is another  good example.

The planification could have been done by the FBI or even our own military on a way to study how could terrorist destroy the twin towers, since they failed on '93.

Our military are continuously making studies on all types of contingencies all around the world.

Here is example of way back on 1962 during the Kennedy presidency: Operation Mongoose, a series of secret covert operation against Cuba. Imagine what they have now as top secret contingencies plans.

https://books.google.com/books?id=bglmOjrREOkC&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195&dq=contingencies+studies+by+the+pentagon&source=bl&ots=BWKcgIJdzM&sig=vKwnTw2GD9GWYAI4wZ8waMpTlJ8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwicmPLB6c_MAhVLmx4KHTN3CGoQ6AEIODAE#v=onepage&q=contingencies%20studies%20by%20the%20pentagon&f=false

[El Diablo Blanco]

Compartmentalization.

Bernard Maddoff, Enron, BP and the gulf incident. Not to mention those people would be in fear of losing their life. Mosad are not to be taking lightly, they specialized in assassination.

The 1972 Summer Olympics incident and aftermath is another  good example.

Chaos thinks they hire random people who like to talk.  Not spies who are trained for decades who barely know the line between truth and fiction anymore.  Those that wanted to talk are deep sixed next to Osama's body.

[Colossus_1986]

Under the same guise we can assume bigfoot, space aliens, ghosts, chupacabra and the loch ness monster are real, correct?

What guise? You don't believe the witness testimonies, that's fine. Your prerogative to do so.
Then you have video evidence of of cleanup crews pulling molten steel out of the wreckage.
Almost every part of the towers is pulverized and steel beams are cut at angles. Firefighters
and first responders (over 100 have gone on record) saying there were MULTIPLE secondary explosions.
Nano-termite found in the rubble, Debris and human remains ejected up to 600 feet away from the
towers although it's supposed to be a "collapse". (downward). Squibbs bursting out of windows, temperatures
that were insanely hot that burned under rubble for over 3 months.

There are just so many factors that point to a controlled demolition, and when I show you videos
of people within the towers testifying that there was suspicious noises, sounds etc, on restricted
floors, which coincides with many if not all of the previously mentioned points, you start babbling
nonsense about Bigfoot, aliens etc... is that supposed to make it seem as if the arguments presented
are not credible? Sure...  

[Yamcha]

Chaos thinks they hire random people who like to talk.  Not spies who are trained for decades who barely know the line between truth and fiction anymore.  Those that wanted to talk are deep sixed next to Osama's body.

Blaha warned of this.

[M4tad0r]

Chaos thinks they hire random people who like to talk.  Not spies who are trained for decades who barely know the line between truth and fiction anymore.  Those that wanted to talk are deep sixed next to Osama's body.

Another fictional story from our beloved Government. The perpetrator of 9/11 which was never criminally charged, killed without the opportunity to surrender and his body dump in the ocean for fear of repercussion from extremist Islamic terrorist. What a joke.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Another fictional story from our beloved Government. The perpetrator of 9/11 which was never criminally charged, killed without the opportunity to surrender and his body dump in the ocean for fear of repercussion from extremist Islamic terrorist. What a joke.

You'd think they'd want to capture him.  They claim they had all this intel on the compound but then claim they were on a kill first mission because of fear of attacks.  If they had enough intel I assume they knew the risk and couple have pulled him out alive.  then no photos of him to prove a thing.  Since then haven't 2 of the 6 Navy Seals died?