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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1300 on: May 14, 2016, 06:46:44 PM »

Doesn't refute anything i said, zero.

however here is another classic example of flawed logic from CT'ers



this pic suggests that because these other buildings didn't collapse from fire that WTC 7 shouldn't have.

This is the same thinking as that pot head from loose change.

And educated person or a person with common sense would immediately ask:

Were the conditions of the buildings that didn't collapse exactly the same as the conditions of WTC 7?

In other words....

Where they designed the same?  steel beam structure?  # of stories? etc.

Where they damaged by falling debris from a 110 story skyscraper that was damaged (fire fighter reported) 33% percent or more?

Why do you think there is this strong movement then?

The educated people after looking at the evidence have ask them self, how could a steel frame skyscraper that was lease to the same person as the twin towers succumbed to fire after only 8 hours that day AND was the only building affected in such manner? How could office fires reached such temperatures? Why did Nist never released their models and calculation for peer review and to this day have turn down all Foia's request?


Was any other building affected in a similar manner? If not how come?

We can see the Deuctche Bank Building standing after the collapse of the Twin towers. That building was right behind and some how survided scott free. Wheren't the condition worst for that building as the twin tower were coming down?

How come no other buliding was cought in a masive fire as WTC 7?





The only flaw logic here is from the Government Dick Riders  that when confronted with facts, start insulting, lying, and try to change the direction of the conversation just like women do. Are you wearing your tampons today? Apparently not.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1301 on: May 14, 2016, 07:19:51 PM »
They got it wrong because the building hadn't collapse when they reported it did.

My answer is not satisfactory to you.  Its common sense.  Telling a news organization to report a building collapsed when you were going to collapse anyway is pointless.

Your WTC 7 question is being answered in another discussion in the above post.

At some point i will get to your other ones (from discussions from other posters), but seeing from your reaction at my attempt at answering the mistaken news report it might be a waste of time.  The false new report can't even be identified as a smoking gun for common sense reasons and you and I can't seem to agree on that.







I find it highly unusual that they report on a building coming down 20mins before it actually did.
We're any other building reported as falling down before they had.

They didn't report WTC 1 & 2 coming as being down 20 mins before each did.
Oh I know the WTC 1&2 were much bigger buildings That They Could easily See & they didn't know which tiny little building WTC 7 was. Not Really Likely is it.

No we clearly do not agree.
It's not a satisfactory answer.

Thanks for trying to answer.
I will wait for your answers to the other 6 questions.
Hopefully we can find agreement with some or all of them.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1302 on: May 14, 2016, 07:25:29 PM »
It would make no sense to inform a news station that a building went down when it hadn't yet and you going were make sure it went down anyway.

This is as far from a smoking gun as anything could be.

Facts with logic, then why did they? Your answer: error in their part.

How come: your answer, error in their part.

A person come from behind you, and suddenly you are missing your wallet, you grab  the person and accuse him of stealing it,

He answers: error in you part, there is millions of people in the world, why would I steal you wallet?

You tell him: Let me search you?

He says: whatever you find, just coincidence.

Sounds familiar?

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1303 on: May 14, 2016, 07:31:13 PM »
Let’s start with “WTC 7 fell into its own footprint”

WTC 7 did not fall into it’s own footprint.

WTC site plan:


If it fell on to its own foot print the Verison Building would not be damaged:




Nor would there be damage to Filterman hall,



Nor damage to the building north of WTC 7 with  the terrace


Conclusion:  Footprint argument=debunked

Next:
“6.5 seconds.....FREE FALL SPEED”  (I am assuming you think it shouldn’t have looked like it went down all at once.)
It pancaked.  Think of the steel beams as connected straws that crumple.  The steel beams weaken, to the weight above and buckle providing no resistance until it came to non-buckled beams on the lower floors. (Steel loses its strength when heated) Large chunks of WTC 7 were damaged. (I can post those pics if you want, they are available on the net as well as fireman statements to that regard)   Hence it looks as though it all comes down at once.  but it came down in stages.  Look closely at the video and you will see the 3:58 Mark it doesn’t come down all at once, the Penthouse on the left goes first, supporting the report that the floors failed imploding the building.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnLcUxV1dPo

Conclusion:  Freefall speed argument debunked

The rest of this is an assumption based on pre conceived belief without a legitimate knowledge base.  

I totally agree with you that it very similar to a demolition.  However, many things can look like one thing but be something entirely different.  Once the facts are brought to bear the reality is revealed.

Additionally,  lets say none of my above arguments are valid, you are still left a video only and no other evidence that it was prewired and demolished.  And if it was prewired, it would be stupid to think that it didn’t explode much sooner when it caught fire, burned for hours and was severely damaged.

Fact: It took the commission 2 year to make the report on 9/11, it took the Government 7 years to come up with WTC 7 report on the collapse. To this day their model and calculationa have not been released for peer review, and all Foia's turn down. I challenge you to prove us otherwise, to which you have not to this moment.

Again, thank you in advance. ;D

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1304 on: May 14, 2016, 07:56:43 PM »
Something to think about, is that it only makes sense to say the internet is deliberately flooded with pseudo-conspiracy nonsense by those who would want to cast the belief that "conspiracy theorist = bad".  Of course.

This thread proves it in strides, when confronted with facts on that day? Coincidence.

What have they debunked here with the evidence presented? Nothing, Ozmo when confronted with the facts from his own answers, comes back with nothing logical, just regurgitating the Government Conspiracy Theory, not supported by any other institution from anywhere in the World.

Example: the pictures of planes that supposedly disintegrated, I already debunked it, we can see the engines in the second crash, in the C-130 I see the the plane wings and engines on the right side of the building where it crashed, look closely, and third plane, the one from Egypt, google the crash, I already posted the pictures, we see the tail, engines and the passengers carriage.

In case of Flight 93, nothing, not even a drop of blood, no engines, not tail, absolutely nothing, except they found debris expanding for miles, those are facts.

He goes and tell us there were conversations of why the twin towers fell that day in universities, I'm still waiting for the links for the studies like say Mit for example. NOTHING. That's what  we are having here, a conversation.

Ropo, what else can we expect from that retard, after all the evidence we have presented here, comes back trowing insults and asking for the explosions, enough said.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1305 on: May 14, 2016, 08:06:04 PM »
This thread proves it in strides, when confronted with facts on that day? Coincidence.

What have they debunked here with the evidence presented? Nothing, Ozmo when confronted with the facts from his own answers, comes back with nothing logical, just regurgitating the Government Conspiracy Theory, not supported by any other institution from anywhere in the World.

Example: the pictures of planes that supposedly disintegrated, I already debunked it, we can see the engines in the second crash, in the C-130 I see the the plane wings and engines on the right side of the building where it crashed, look closely, and third plane, the one from Egypt, google the crash, I already posted the pictures, we see the tail, engines and the passengers carriage.

In case of Flight 93, nothing, not even a drop of blood, no engines, not tail, absolutely nothing, except they found debris expanding for miles, those are facts.

He goes and tell us there were conversations of why the twin towers fell that day in universities, I'm still waiting for the links for the studies like say Mit for example. NOTHING. That's what  we are having here, a conversation.

Ropo, what else can we expect from that retard, after all the evidence we have presented here, comes back trowing insults and asking for the explosions, enough said.
What have you proven besides the fact that nobody can answer every single question?
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1306 on: May 14, 2016, 08:24:22 PM »
What have you proven besides the fact that nobody can answer every single question?

Watch the videos, follow the links, read the information, 9/11 explained.

9/11-- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)

911-Conspiracy Finally Solved!: Names, Connections, Motives, 911Matrix of Details Exposed!

CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN EXPLAINS WITH FACTS WHY AND HOW ISRAEL DID 9-11

Dimitri Khalezov has been an expert in nuclear demolition

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1307 on: May 14, 2016, 09:01:59 PM »


NIST suggests without evidence that (1) the top supporting elements of floor #97 of part A break and that floor #97 fuses with and accelerates with top part C (requires energy) and that now 15 m drops 3.7 meters and applies 545.0m Joule energy on floor #96 of part A. Again at this second collision both C and A absorb energy elastically and if there is surplus energy some elements may break. NIST suggests again, without any evidence that it is the elements below floor #96 that break and that floor #96 fuses with floor #97 and is accelerated by top part C and floor #97. And so on another 95 times! It takes 12 seconds! Part A is destroyed by gravity according NIST: part A could not absorb the energy applied from above by part C so global collapse ensued.

http://heiwaco.tripod.com/chall1.htm#hc

Nuclear Demolition

Nuclear demolition, as a form of "controlled demolition", was first mooted towards the end of the 1960s when building code requirements made it necessary to provide satisfactory proposals for the eventual demolition of proposed modern tall steel frame buildings.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Nuclear_Demolition

Ground Zero – Nuclear Demolition of the World Trade Center


When the pressure propagates upwards, the upper boundaries of the "damaged zone" and the "crushed zone" eventually reach the underground foundations of the Tower they are about to demolish, the picture is even more different. This is because the actual materials the Tower is built of differ from the surrounding granite rock in the sense of their resistance. Besides, there is a lot of empty space inside the Tower, while the remaining granite rock in all other directions (to the sides and below the cavity) is solid. So, the expansion of the upper boundaries of the "damaged" and "crushed" zones by the Tower's structure will be the furthest. In the case of the WTC Twin Towers and the Sears Tower, the "damaged zone" could likely reach up to 350-370 meters, while the "crushed zone" which follows immediately, will likely reach up to 290-310 meters. However, in the case of the much shorter WTC-7, its entire length was well within the "crushed zone" - so it was pulverized completely from bottom to top. The ability of a nuclear demolition to pulverize steel and concrete alike is one of its unique features.

http://www.911thology.com/nexus1.html
 
An improved English version of the scandalous article from the NEXUS German magazine.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1308 on: May 14, 2016, 09:04:48 PM »
9/11: Molten Metal at Ground Zero

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1309 on: May 14, 2016, 09:14:19 PM »
Along with older English dictionaries, for the same reason, these photographs could also be used to show the molten rock left behind after the underground cavities were created by nuclear explosions under all three buildings of the World Trade Center. They eventually cooled down and were, at last, cleared of all remaining radioactive materials:
 

The diagram apparently represents four types of nuclear explosions conducted in various environments:
 
 
1) atmospheric; 2) underground; 3) exoatmospheric; 4) underwater.
 
 Guess why they position a certain “tall structure” on top of the spot of an underground nuclear explosion (2)? Which one creates certain “waves” around itself?
 
 This was a classic diagram of the ‘70s. Those days nuclear explosions were not “evil” yet and they were widely discussed. And it was not a big secret yet those days – that underground nuclear explosions could be successfully used for demolishing skyscrapers…
 

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1310 on: May 14, 2016, 09:39:33 PM »
Anyone who hasn't seen what Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta claims happened while he was with Cheney on 9/11, should look at it.

The first thing that jumps out about this, is that Mineta claims we were aware of the Pentagon plane and where it was.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1311 on: May 14, 2016, 09:44:20 PM »
And "conspiracy sites" usually use it to say a stand-down order was issued (which Cheney denies).

But what does it mean for a shoot-down order, if the military-command was ignoring Cheney's direction, as they admitted?

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1312 on: May 14, 2016, 09:49:37 PM »
No way this should go a minute longer without an investigation.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1313 on: May 14, 2016, 09:54:32 PM »
The landing gear did not cause that hole.  It's perfectly round, are landing gear going to creat a nice round hole?  No.  The nose of the plane could not have done it either because the engines would have hit the ground long before the plane hit the building.  Why do you refuse to accept the fact it was a missile?  I'm not being a smart ass either.  It's the only explanation.. Think about it:  plane could not fly that low or at that speed, engines would have hit the ground, completely incompetent pilot, not even an experienced pilot could do that, no debris, only one shitty camera angle of the most secure building in existence, stand down order from Dickhead Cheney, this plane hit 45 minutes after the towers were struck, 45 minutes...It would have been shot down.. Slip ups from Cheney, Rumsfeld, others saying missile hit the building, penetrated 4 rings of pentagon, perfectly round, small hole.  This is just a few of the things proving missile.

This is the real question why is it such blasphemy to even entertain the thought

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1314 on: May 14, 2016, 10:00:55 PM »
This is the real question why is it such blasphemy to even entertain the thought

No, but if someone wants to say no plane, it means taking apart the footage which shows exactly that: a plane.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1315 on: May 14, 2016, 10:05:48 PM »
As well as the damage, etc.  I'm here to tell you, the idea a plane hit versus the mess of trying to fake a plane, is no comparison.

Call it a plane.  Flight 77, it hit the Pentagon.  Maybe something else, too.  Maybe not.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1316 on: May 15, 2016, 06:18:33 AM »
As well as the damage, etc.  I'm here to tell you, the idea a plane hit versus the mess of trying to fake a plane, is no comparison.

Call it a plane.  Flight 77, it hit the Pentagon.  Maybe something else, too.  Maybe not.

This video alone explains everything, and the distance at which different heads of governments, like the the federal goverment and local Government(The city of New York) went to cover and suppress the investigation, eye witnesses and evidence. That's why 9/11 is our biggest false flag to date. Watch the video and put it into contest with was is happening today in the Middle East, and everything will fall into it's place like a puzzle.

Like former president Nixon said, "is not the crime that get's you, it's the cover up"

This thread alone has solve 9/11 for me. The only reason I'm still here is to make sure those Government dick riders shills do not suppresses it.(Ozm, Ropo)

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1317 on: May 15, 2016, 08:11:46 AM »
Conjecture, opinions, what ifs....not proof.
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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1318 on: May 15, 2016, 08:22:43 AM »
Conjecture, opinions, what ifs....not proof.

The only way to demonstrate proof is through an official investigation in a court of law, could we agree on that at least?

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1319 on: May 15, 2016, 08:28:41 AM »
The only way to demonstrate proof is through an official investigation in a court of law, could we agree on that at least?
Yep. I'm not against another investigation.
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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1320 on: May 15, 2016, 09:17:22 AM »
The only way to demonstrate proof is through an official investigation in a court of law, could we agree on that at least?

Where the fuck is Harley Brite when you need him?

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1321 on: May 15, 2016, 09:19:04 AM »
Conjecture, opinions, what ifs....not proof.

Apparently, the closest they ever came to real evidence is when they submitted dust that contained thermite/nano-thermite.

They just couldn't prove it actually came from WTC.


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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1322 on: May 15, 2016, 12:15:24 PM »
I can think of only one reason why Cheney would be going through the motions of giving orders, when he knows it isn't valid to do that.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1323 on: May 15, 2016, 04:07:39 PM »
Fact: It took the commission 2 year to make the report on 9/11, it took the Government 7 years to come up with WTC 7 report on the collapse. To this day their model and calculationa have not been released for peer review, and all Foia's turn down. I challenge you to prove us otherwise, to which you have not to this moment.

Again, thank you in advance. ;D

Playing the jumping game again I see.

It fell on its foot print = DEBUNKED.

It fell at free fall speed therefore it had to be a controlled demolition = DEBUNKED

Do you or any other CT'er have a another argument that challanges the official report or other independent reports on WTC 7 that say it wasn't a controlled demolition?

Do you or any other CT'er have an evidence that shows WTC 7 was pre-wired with explosives and set off 8 hours after the WTC's 1-2?


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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1324 on: May 15, 2016, 04:09:47 PM »
so 125,000 worked on something they didnt know they were working on?

I know Americans are pretty dumb but even thats not possible.

Ok lets say all 125,000 people who worked on the nukes knew about it. How is it that not one of them leaked what was going on? Because as you know, many people say that 9/11 couldn't have happened by the Gov because too many people would know about it and someone would have leaked it. Well, 125,000 people never said a word on the Manhattan project. Proving the Gov can keep anything they want hidden/secret...