PDI Will Rule in 3 Years - 2006

[onlyme]

Does the person who told you it would be $60k work for the IFBB?

Yes they do.  Have for ALONG time.

[kmhphoto]

Yes they do.  Have for ALONG time.

Who was it?

[Insider Z]

Who was it?

You are great in making questions that won't receive answers.
You just need to wait to see if things happen.
Who cares who says what.


Insider Z

[onlyme]

Hopefully I will get to at least a couple of the European events this year. 

[kmhphoto]

You are great in making questions that won't receive answers.
You just need to wait to see if things happen.
Who cares who says what.


Insider Z

Yes. Why is everyone so secretive. Surely the more information available will only help the PDI?
You won't tell me the telephone number of the place you bought tickets for the NY show.  I e-mailed the theatre and they said

"It is not officially confirmed yet. You need to check with Ticketmaster as to when the tickets go on sale. Thank you. "

So as you've already got your tickets in the 4th row, do us all a favour give us the number so we can order them before they sell out?

I don't understand why a question about the identity of a long standing IFBB official telling a potential promoter that the sanction fee has to remain such a mystery.

[jaejonna]

Insider z is titus

[Insider Z]

Yes. Why is everyone so secretive. Surely the more information available will only help the PDI?
You won't tell me the telephone number of the place you bought tickets for the NY show.  I e-mailed the theatre and they said

"It is not officially confirmed yet. You need to check with Ticketmaster as to when the tickets go on sale. Thank you. "

So as you've already got your tickets in the 4th row, do us all a favour give us the number so we can order them before they sell out?

I don't understand why a question about the identity of a long standing IFBB official telling a potential promoter that the sanction fee has to remain such a mystery.

Kevin,
believe me: I have had my ticket and I have had it at the special price of 50 bucks.
Things are on progress and I think there is a time for everything.
Don't be in hurry, I think Demilia consider you a friend  and there'll always be a seat for you when he is the promoter.
I understand your doubts but you should know we are living in weird times and things have to be said and done in proper time.
By the way, I'd like to know your opinion about big daddy Manion dropping the radio interview.


Insider Z

[onlyme]

Yes. Why is everyone so secretive. Surely the more information available will only help the PDI?
You won't tell me the telephone number of the place you bought tickets for the NY show.  I e-mailed the theatre and they said

"It is not officially confirmed yet. You need to check with Ticketmaster as to when the tickets go on sale. Thank you. "

So as you've already got your tickets in the 4th row, do us all a favour give us the number so we can order them before they sell out?

I don't understand why a question about the identity of a long standing IFBB official telling a potential promoter that the sanction fee has to remain such a mystery.

Cause you are in fact Jim Manion hiding behind a screename.  No one wants to help you anymore.  Any info will help your position.  This is a top secret organization and any leaks could mean disaster for the world.  Until you have proven yourself worthy, no information is allowed to be given to you.  You must meet the requirements and pass the test.  Until then, you will know nothing.  And all PDI event tickets are double for you

[George Whorewell]

I think I just pissed my fuckin pants from that parody contest poster goatboy posted

lolololol

[kmhphoto]

Cause you are in fact Jim Manion hiding behind a screename.  No one wants to help you anymore.  Any info will help your position.  This is a top secret organization and any leaks could mean disaster for the world.  Until you have proven yourself worthy, no information is allowed to be given to you.  You must meet the requirements and pass the test.  Until then, you will know nothing.  And all PDI event tickets are double for you

Damn I've been busted!
As for the tickets I have to hope that InsiderZ can fix me ip with the discounted one's he's getting. 4th row VIP tickets for $50 when everyone else has to pay $200!

[wile e roadrunner]

And they're gonna get their money from... where?

[onlyme]

I think I just pissed my fuckin pants from that parody contest poster goatboy posted

lolololol

I did that poster. 

[onlyme]

GetBig has proven that it can change things.  It gave Manion the flu so he cancelled the show today.

[240 is Back]

GetBig has proven that it can change things.  It gave Manion the flu so he cancelled the show today.

lol i think it was one man's set of questions:

Monday's show with special guest Jim Manion has been postponed. Unfortunately, Mr. Manion fell victim to the flu.  We will be announcing a re-scheduled date for this highly anticipated interview.  In the mean time, please enjoy a special "Encore Presentation" of our March 13th broadcast featuring emerging superstar Branch Warren - 8pm est (5pm pst).   http://www.ProBodybuildingWeekly.com

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Questions for Jim Manion. If Dan Solomon and Chick are not too chicken to ask the questions that are hard hitting - here we go. Serious questions that people want to know.

*) The IFBB recognizes that internet sites such as Getbig, Bodybuilding.com, Muscletime and others are places where people can get their news, yet the NPC, which Manion is president of, will not let the top three bodybuilding websites in the world get a PRESS PASS for any NPC Event.  Why is that?

*) The PDI (Pro Division Inc) has announced some shows, and some upcoming events, whether it be Europe or the United States. You have said that any athlete that even attens these events or something like this will be suspended, fined, kicked out of the IFBB. Is this true or not?

*) The PDI has said that the NPC cannot tell any NPC member not to compete in the PDI nor provide any sanctions against them due to the United States Sports Act to prohibits amateur monopoly competitions? Can you comment on this?

*) What is your relationship with Wayne DeMilia and yourself.  Is it true that Wayne DeMilia got you into a mangement and promotion of bodybuilding? Why didn’t you stand up for Wayne when the time came to support him?

*) The MPC. We want the truth - straight from you. What is the MPC and why does bodybuilding.com keep reporting that you are starting an organization called the MPC.

*) How many members are in the NPC as of this year. Are the numbers the same for bodybuilding or declining? What about fitness, women’s bodybuilding and fitness?  As a non-profit organization, where does all of the money go to? The Magazine, the contests???

*) Explain the conflict of interest between yourself, as president of the NPC and IFBB, and your son, J.M. Manion, who gets a percentage of about 20 figure and fitness competitors (in two separate management groups), plus gets money from NPC Clothes plus gets money from the NPC Magazine? Is this not a conflict of interest?

*) Why have we not seen any report from the Non-Profit NPC? I thought that all non-profit organizations needed to publically report everything?

*) Why is the Mr. Olympia contest so tough to bring back to the way it was before? Why move it to Friday night? Who is in charge of the Olympia? Is it AMI/Weider or is it the IFBB? Everybody blames one another for last year’s decisions to move it to the New Orleans hotel and the Challenge Round fiasco, among other things?

*) Judging - Shawn Ray and many other pros have constantly complained that the judges are the same every year - and once again - in 2006, we see the same judges again and again.  When are we going to see new judges? When are we going to see some retired pros judges? When are you going to see some others judges? Some judges that the audience will respect rather than the same judges?

*) You have said that all scores will be made public? No one has not seen ONE score made public? For instance - for the Ironman and the Arnold - countless request were asked to show the individual judges scores from the rounds and no one got them. NO ONE.

*) How is the judges scored? Why are the callouts announced before the judges even say one word or pass a paper? Is it true that the head judges of the contest chooses the callouts and the judges write down the order after that? Is that why some competitors get overlooked or why some never place higher than they should? Can there be a more accountable way to judge?

*) Do you have a temper? Do you yell at people? Do you threaten people? Do you warn them not to deal with other people? Do you feel that the pressure of being the main man in two huge organizations - the NPC and the IFBB -  is tough - is not a conflict of interest? 

*) Why - when so many athletes are asking for change for the last few years - is the IFBB resisting change? Is the IFBB not wanting to make it better for the pros?

[lonewolf]

To 240, You are so on target with every question and comment you made for questioning Manion. I truly
believe he will not appear on the show . Basically he is non confrontational and will let others like Weinberger
do his deeds for him. I'm shocked that the IRS hasn't looked into the finances Of the NPC and how the monies are distributed amongst his family members.

[bigdumbbell]

he is scared of 240 questions

[MCWAY]

The guys at the top like Jay and Ronnie dex they dont care. Like you said they make good money why should they take a stand?. Becasue we should be one we need these guys but they are to self centred to give a shit.Thats cool your on top for only so long then down you will fall.Just dont know why they cant see the big picture.

I could have sworn that bodybuilding was deemed an "individual" sport. So, it's a bit puzzling as to why the guys at the top of the food chain, so to speak, are all of sudden being selfish.

If one were looking from Coleman's perspective, he might see things differently. After all, who was helping Ronnie, while he was still working full-time as a cop? Who cried for him, while he worked 50+ hours per week AND endured all the rigors of preparing for professional competition?

Coleman sees the big picture. He has his health benefits and retirement package, in check. Coleman is still a reserve police officer, which keeps him eligible for his pension. And, he was a full-time cop, during his first three years as Mr. Olympia.

College athletes, in sports like basketball and football, are always told to get an education so that they can make a good living, when their sports careers come to an end. Why doesn't the same hold true for bodybuilders? It appears to me that most of the successful bodybuilders are the ones that had careers and financial plans in place, just in case they didn't make it as bodybuilders.

Reading about Darrem Charles in FLEX was quite enlightening. You talk about a rags-to-riches story. The guy comes to America to be a personal trainer and bodybuilder, leaving his wife and son in Trinidad. He slowly worked his way to prosperity, sending for his family after being in America a year. He turned pro in '92 but didn't get a contract of any kind until 2000 (with Weider). Now, his patience and perserverance has paid off. His personal training business got him through and, now that he's with MuscleTech, the $$$$ are in good supply. And, most of all, he can provide for his son's education.

The answer appears to be simple: Get an education AND A JOB! Putting your eggs all in one basket, especially one as fragile as pro bodybuilding appears to be a sure ticket to disaster.

[MCWAY]

lol i think it was one man's set of questions:

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Questions for Jim Manion. If Dan Solomon and Chick are not too chicken to ask the questions that are hard hitting - here we go. Serious questions that people want to know.

*) The IFBB recognizes that internet sites such as Getbig, Bodybuilding.com, Muscletime and others are places where people can get their news, yet the NPC, which Manion is president of, will not let the top three bodybuilding websites in the world get a PRESS PASS for any NPC Event.  Why is that?

*) The PDI (Pro Division Inc) has announced some shows, and some upcoming events, whether it be Europe or the United States. You have said that any athlete that even attens these events or something like this will be suspended, fined, kicked out of the IFBB. Is this true or not?

*) The PDI has said that the NPC cannot tell any NPC member not to compete in the PDI nor provide any sanctions against them due to the United States Sports Act to prohibits amateur monopoly competitions? Can you comment on this?

*) What is your relationship with Wayne DeMilia and yourself.  Is it true that Wayne DeMilia got you into a mangement and promotion of bodybuilding? Why didn’t you stand up for Wayne when the time came to support him?

*) The MPC. We want the truth - straight from you. What is the MPC and why does bodybuilding.com keep reporting that you are starting an organization called the MPC.

*) How many members are in the NPC as of this year. Are the numbers the same for bodybuilding or declining? What about fitness, women’s bodybuilding and fitness?  As a non-profit organization, where does all of the money go to? The Magazine, the contests???

*) Explain the conflict of interest between yourself, as president of the NPC and IFBB, and your son, J.M. Manion, who gets a percentage of about 20 figure and fitness competitors (in two separate management groups), plus gets money from NPC Clothes plus gets money from the NPC Magazine? Is this not a conflict of interest?

*) Why have we not seen any report from the Non-Profit NPC? I thought that all non-profit organizations needed to publically report everything?

*) Why is the Mr. Olympia contest so tough to bring back to the way it was before? Why move it to Friday night? Who is in charge of the Olympia? Is it AMI/Weider or is it the IFBB? Everybody blames one another for last year’s decisions to move it to the New Orleans hotel and the Challenge Round fiasco, among other things?

*) Judging - Shawn Ray and many other pros have constantly complained that the judges are the same every year - and once again - in 2006, we see the same judges again and again.  When are we going to see new judges? When are we going to see some retired pros judges? When are you going to see some others judges? Some judges that the audience will respect rather than the same judges?

*) You have said that all scores will be made public? No one has not seen ONE score made public? For instance - for the Ironman and the Arnold - countless request were asked to show the individual judges scores from the rounds and no one got them. NO ONE.

*) How is the judges scored? Why are the callouts announced before the judges even say one word or pass a paper? Is it true that the head judges of the contest chooses the callouts and the judges write down the order after that? Is that why some competitors get overlooked or why some never place higher than they should? Can there be a more accountable way to judge?

*) Do you have a temper? Do you yell at people? Do you threaten people? Do you warn them not to deal with other people? Do you feel that the pressure of being the main man in two huge organizations - the NPC and the IFBB -  is tough - is not a conflict of interest? 

*) Why - when so many athletes are asking for change for the last few years - is the IFBB resisting change? Is the IFBB not wanting to make it better for the pros?

With regards to judging, unless those certain pros get named Mr. Olympia, they're going to continue to complain. As for different judges, wasn't/isn't Rich Gaspari a judge? He critiqued some of the very men against whom he once competed, including Shawn Ray.

Besides, different judges is no guarantee that you'll please more of the fans anyway. This past Olympia was a prime example. I remind you of the Challenge Round where Gustavo Badell DEFEATED 7-time (and eventually, 8-time) Mr. Olympia, Ronnie Coleman. Different judges? You betcha!

As for judges you can respect, the ones who did the Challenge Round were not only former competitors, they were all......FORMER MR. OLYMPIA WINNERS!!! If you can't respect them, you can't respect anybody who judges a show. Yet, for the past several months, all we've heard from the magazines is how terrible the Challenge Round is and how it's a "insult" to the competition, to Mr. Olympia, to the fans, to the competitors. That is except for Gustavo Badell; he has no gripes, as it's helped him the last two years (not to mention his employer, who will ride those "How I beat Mr. Olympia" ad-reports featuring Badell, to the bank).

Public display? The Challenge Round scores were displayed on a "jumbotron" screen for all to see. So, not seeing the score ain't much of an issue. Even if you have different judges, you're still going to have controversy. How does Badell not even get compared to either Cutler or Coleman in the regular show, yet he beats them BOTH in the Challenge Round? Even in the Challenge Round, the speculation is that Badell beat Coleman, because three of the 5 former Mr. Os were the "smaller, aesthetic" ones (Scott, Zane, Bannout).

I don't get it. One minute, certain people are DYING to see Ronnie Coleman get beat. Then, when he does, many of those same people are going ballistic when that happens. Badell said in a FLEX interview that, with the Challenge Round, he might end up being Mr. Olympia. Had that round counted in 2005 the way it did in 2004, his words would have been prophetic.

The Challenge Round was a microcosm of many of the things some folks swear to the heavens needs to happen to improve the Mr. Olympia (and bodybuilding, in general): Different judges, judges who are former competitors, displayed scores, etc. Yet, we've seen (or at least, I've seen) virtually no shortage of the blubbering about the ills of this competition.

[Solid Attitude]

lol i think it was one man's set of questions:

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Questions for Jim Manion. If Dan Solomon and Chick are not too chicken to ask the questions that are hard hitting - here we go. Serious questions that people want to know.

*) The IFBB recognizes that internet sites such as Getbig, Bodybuilding.com, Muscletime and others are places where people can get their news, yet the NPC, which Manion is president of, will not let the top three bodybuilding websites in the world get a PRESS PASS for any NPC Event.  Why is that?

*) The PDI (Pro Division Inc) has announced some shows, and some upcoming events, whether it be Europe or the United States. You have said that any athlete that even attens these events or something like this will be suspended, fined, kicked out of the IFBB. Is this true or not?

*) The PDI has said that the NPC cannot tell any NPC member not to compete in the PDI nor provide any sanctions against them due to the United States Sports Act to prohibits amateur monopoly competitions? Can you comment on this?

*) What is your relationship with Wayne DeMilia and yourself.  Is it true that Wayne DeMilia got you into a mangement and promotion of bodybuilding? Why didn’t you stand up for Wayne when the time came to support him?

*) The MPC. We want the truth - straight from you. What is the MPC and why does bodybuilding.com keep reporting that you are starting an organization called the MPC.

*) How many members are in the NPC as of this year. Are the numbers the same for bodybuilding or declining? What about fitness, women’s bodybuilding and fitness?  As a non-profit organization, where does all of the money go to? The Magazine, the contests???

*) Explain the conflict of interest between yourself, as president of the NPC and IFBB, and your son, J.M. Manion, who gets a percentage of about 20 figure and fitness competitors (in two separate management groups), plus gets money from NPC Clothes plus gets money from the NPC Magazine? Is this not a conflict of interest?

*) Why have we not seen any report from the Non-Profit NPC? I thought that all non-profit organizations needed to publically report everything?

*) Why is the Mr. Olympia contest so tough to bring back to the way it was before? Why move it to Friday night? Who is in charge of the Olympia? Is it AMI/Weider or is it the IFBB? Everybody blames one another for last year’s decisions to move it to the New Orleans hotel and the Challenge Round fiasco, among other things?

*) Judging - Shawn Ray and many other pros have constantly complained that the judges are the same every year - and once again - in 2006, we see the same judges again and again.  When are we going to see new judges? When are we going to see some retired pros judges? When are you going to see some others judges? Some judges that the audience will respect rather than the same judges?

*) You have said that all scores will be made public? No one has not seen ONE score made public? For instance - for the Ironman and the Arnold - countless request were asked to show the individual judges scores from the rounds and no one got them. NO ONE.

*) How is the judges scored? Why are the callouts announced before the judges even say one word or pass a paper? Is it true that the head judges of the contest chooses the callouts and the judges write down the order after that? Is that why some competitors get overlooked or why some never place higher than they should? Can there be a more accountable way to judge?

*) Do you have a temper? Do you yell at people? Do you threaten people? Do you warn them not to deal with other people? Do you feel that the pressure of being the main man in two huge organizations - the NPC and the IFBB -  is tough - is not a conflict of interest? 

*) Why - when so many athletes are asking for change for the last few years - is the IFBB resisting change? Is the IFBB not wanting to make it better for the pros?

Question #1 for 240.
Who cares what you want answered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[240 is Back]

Those weren't my questions.

However, they were very good questions.

Solid Attitude, you seem to have your own agenda here.  You bash everything that questions the IFBB's authority.  If the PDI was running fixed contests, ripping off competitors, and monopolizing a field, I'd be asking WD these same questions. 

And you can take a poll.  I bet you about 90% of getbig members would LOVE to see those questions answered. 

[LifterChick]

I tell you 240 should go into fishing.  You would make millions.  I have never seen so many people bite at the bait you throw out.  Maybe politics?
Solid Attitude dear, we are in a vocal minority here.  I think the majority here like the IFBB but the noisy ones are really against it.  Saying that there are several of the questions that 240 presented that I would like to have been addressed, but in a far more professional and unbiased presentation.

[onlyme]

Forthe people who really defend the Weiners, Manion and the IFBB.  What positive things have they done for the BB's that improve their lives.  They put on shows, but in reality they don't really put them on someone else does and they get paid for others to do the work yet reap the riches.  BB has become a huge business now.  It has spawned off many industries including supplements, magazines, shows, clothing, equipment etc.  100's of millions of dollars a year are spent in this industry.  Yet the BB's get nothing in relation to the growth.  Only the guys at the top are getting rich.  And Ronnie Coleman who is supposed to the epitome, the top dog, the man does not make a great living from BB.  Sure he has nice stuff and whatever but it pales in comparison to what he should have or compared to other athletes or World Champions.  This is all due to the FACT that the Weiners have had 100% control of what happens to the BB's lives. It's too bad so many of you like to be controlled and not in charge of your own destiny and life.

[Solid Attitude]

I tell you 240 should go into fishing.  You would make millions.  I have never seen so many people bite at the bait you throw out.  Maybe politics?
Solid Attitude dear, we are in a vocal minority here.  I think the majority here like the IFBB but the noisy ones are really against it.  Saying that there are several of the questions that 240 presented that I would like to have been addressed, but in a far more professional and unbiased presentation.

I understand your point NR. I would like Jim to have the opportunity to set the record straight as well. However why even give the 240's and the onlyme's the time of day.

[onlyme]

I understand your point NR. I would like Jim to have the opportunity to set the record straight as well. However why even give the 240's and the onlyme's the time of day.

Yea you don't have me the time of day, I have a nice watch.  Solid are you JM.

[240 is Back]

This guy had the saavy and political skill to grow the Olympia and grand prix events for years.  He killed the WBF and truly understands the nature of competition in BBing shows.

He's had a year to sit back and plan.  To talk to the pros he knows. To make quiet deals.  To work out the details, and foresee a majority of the problems he will face.  He's had a year to talk to sponsors and see their concerns and plan accordingly.

I know many here are undercover IFBB shills who crap all over everything written about the PDI.  But any athlete wants more money and a better chance at fair judging.  So the athletes are into it. The excitement is here- the fan website www.prodivisionbbing.com gets 4000 hits a week.  Everyone is dying to see the real site. It's the number one topic on the boards.  Sponsors and mags follow the boards. 

Once the landslide starts, there's no stopping it.