Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?

[Rambone]

Both Mike and Ray rocked the pedo look and rocked it hard. PIP to these amphetamine abusing athletes.

[illuminati]

Mike died 15 years ago yesterday (June 10, 2001)

If still alive today he would have been 64.

He looked about that old in the last video where he is taking a break from shooting his training video to chain smoke while Ray is complaining he can't get a woman.

!!! 15yrs ago.
Sadly neither of them looked there age in that last video
Looking much older than they were.

Then they were only days from death.

[BIG AL MCKECHNIE]

Mike may have had good arms but on the 1980 Olympia stage his triceps looked average compared to Dickerson's and although Chris's biceps were not as great as his triceps his arms as a whole made Mentzer's look weak.

[Raymondo]

This looks to be from the mid-1980s.

They both look young and healthy... such a shame.

[Viking11]

Ray:

wow, thats' the best I have ever seen Ray look. An aside, I think his kidney disease was in its nascent stages when Ray was competing. I think that's why he had trouble with water retention. 

[Danimal77]

This looks to be from the mid-1980s.

They both look young and healthy... such a shame.

Probably early 80's.

[Danimal77]

lol @ Mentzer with average arms 

Legit 18 5/8" arms, but very average.....

[Ronnie Rep]

robbie was like a piece of black marble'no racist'

Stop stealing my lines

[Nether Animal]

Boyer looks off then

[Straw Man]

Boyer looks off then

and he just kept getting smaller as he went through  the "one set to failure" nonsense during that period where they all worked for Arthur Jones

[Nether Animal]

and he just kept getting smaller as he went through  the "one set to failure" nonsense during that period where they all worked for Arthur Jones

Yeah.... made a nice comeback in the early '90s though. Said in an interview he hit GH for the first time during that period leading up to '94 Masters O.

[Straw Man]

Yeah.... made a nice comeback in the early '90s though. Said in an interview he hit GH for the first time during that period leading up to '94 Masters O.

I think he also trained a bit like Dorian during that comeback but not a full body one set per exercise thing

[Straw Man]

Both Mike and Ray rocked the pedo look and rocked it hard. PIP to these amphetamine abusing athletes.

Jerry Brainum posted on Dave Drapers website that he spoke the coroner and speculated that they both basically OD'd

[Nether Animal]

Not sure about Mike but I can believe that Ray OD'd after the stress of finding his brother dead. I remember reading this:

[dj181]

Legit 18 5/8" arms, but very average.....

it's not necessarily what he measure but how they look, and those guns look damn good

[The Scott]

it's not necessarily what he measure but how they look, and those guns look damn good

Yup.  No oil allowed.