Trump = Winning

[chaos]

This isn't the only solution, its a bad one therefore make a better one.

What's a better solution?

[Grape Ape]

you believe the election was stolen? lol

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2103619118

literally zero evidence of it, every lawsuit (60 i believe) the DOJ, survey officials all found zero evidence. the above paper shows statistical evidence that nothing was abnormal.

There isn't one shred of evidence to support it was other then a conman trying to hold onto power exactly like he is now.

it's not my canadian opinion, its simply an objective observers opinion.

Why do I care? I dont really tbh. I have been on this forum since I was 18 I think. Maybe its force of habit. other forums I attended are gone and if I want polemics I have to talk politics. It's also good to tool to learn stuff, arguing with others. On this site you are all crazed right wingers so the only way to get any action is to take the contrarian opinion here. If the religious board was more fun I would be there, lol.

I do think they should make them easy to get. Do that. This isn't it and it will impact elections too harshly, which is doesn't have to do if done coherently. We are in agreeance. This isn't the only solution, its a bad one therefore make a better one.

I said I believe the optics are horrible, and they were.

I believe the 2020 election was heavily influenced by the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story, and I believe that doing so was election interference.  I believe folks like Zuckerberg spent almost half a billion, and that the tech industry curated content to drive the results they wanted.

As for all the other nefarious stuff - Dominion, I have not given it a thought.  If a lawsuit comes through, I will watch, but I'm not going put anything into it unless it becomes tangible.

I also think you have to be a complete fool to think in a country with 300+ million, and a ridiculous amount of mail in ballots, that there was no fraud.

So, stolen in the Dominion tampering way?  I'm not there.  Influenced, and maybe impacted by big tech.  Yes.......

You're a data guy right?  Check out this site - all data driven on ephemeral content.  Listen to podcasts with the originator - he has no emotional ties to this.  Lists out, using data, which elections were influenced - tracks sites, etc.....

https://americasdigitalshield.com/

[Primemuscle]

We require ID for nearly everything.  To require it to vote and uphold the law is common sense, and no twisted explanation says otherwise. Plus, the majority of the US wants it.  So to summarize - make getting the ID easy, give time off, and use mail in only for disabilities and if you're out of the country.

Tell me about it! A couple of months ago, I bought a bottle of wine at Safeway. Safeway requires proof of age. Can you imagine how ridiculous this seems to someone like me who is 81 years old?

Anyway, I showed the clerk my driver's license and either she forgot to give it back or I forgot to pick it up off the counter. It wasn't until about two weeks later that I was buying another bottle of wine and when I looked in my wallet for my driver's license, it was not there. I had no idea where it was by then. And I was not allowed to buy the wine.

After spending an entire morning at the DMV getting a replacement drivers license and upgrading it to "real ID" not to mention the additional cost and hassle of gathering up all the proof they require including renewing my passport for $130 to do this, I had a notion to check with Safeway's customer service and guess what? They had my old, now worthless driver's license. I shredded it.

[Grape Ape]

Tell me about it! A couple of months ago, I bought a bottle of wine at Safeway. Safeway requires proof of age. Can you imagine how ridiculous this seems to someone like me who is 81 years old?

Anyway, I showed the clerk my driver's license and either she forgot to give it back or I forgot to pick it up off the counter. It wasn't until about two weeks later that I was buying another bottle of wine and when I looked in my wallet for my driver's license, it was not there. I had no idea where it was by then. And I was not allowed to buy the wine.

After spending an entire morning at the DMV getting a replacement drivers license and upgrading it to "real ID" not to mention the additional cost and hassle of gathering up all the proof they require including renewing my passport for $130 to do this, I had a notion to check with Safeway's customer service and guess what? They had my old, now worthless driver's license. I shredded it.

Even in liberal Assachusetts, they don't card the obvious.  That sucks.