Then they should do their wife and kids a favor and leave.
A lot of spouses complain about their partners and kids when in the company of friends of the same sex. It often doesn't mean anything.
Yes, some of it is the typical "tongue in cheek" self loathing banter.
BUT to me, it implies the one thing I detest: "it's inevitable "
I would hope you and most others here would know I
think marriage and having children should be a CHOICE.
Every man is different and my choice won't be what others want and vice versa.
I can understand a man who doesn't want to get married , or wants to have children, etc.
It's not what they choose that bugs me, ( again) it's this attitude some have that having kids is inevitable.
My wife's hairdresser has 4 kids from 2 different husbands.
She acts like having kids is inevitable , especially when you get married.
She actually said ;" You get married and the babies start coming."
I've been told by countless men that they had kids because their wife really wanted babies.
They shrug their shoulders and act like some hapless stooge that had no chance in the matter.