Are married family men truly happy?

[Primemuscle]

Lots of married guys in our gym genuinely hate their situation and wife.

Then they should do their wife and kids a favor and leave.

A lot of spouses complain about their partners and kids when in the company of friends of the same sex. It often doesn't mean anything. 

[Howard]

Based on this thread, only Grape Ape and I are both married and happy. The rest of the world is single or married and miserable.

A rarefied group to be sure.

edit: "and me"?

I'm VERY happy being married. My wife is my lover , partner and best friend.

[Howard]

Then they should do their wife and kids a favor and leave.

A lot of spouses complain about their partners and kids when in the company of friends of the same sex. It often doesn't mean anything. 

Yes, some of it is the typical "tongue in cheek" self loathing banter.

BUT to me, it implies the one thing I detest: "it's inevitable "

I would hope you and most others here would know  I
think marriage and having children should be a CHOICE.

Every man is different and my choice won't be what others want and vice versa.
I can understand a man who doesn't want to get married , or wants to have children, etc.

It's not what they choose that bugs me, ( again) it's this attitude some have that having kids is inevitable.
My wife's hairdresser has 4 kids from 2 different husbands.
She acts like having kids is inevitable , especially when you get married.
She actually said ;" You get married  and the babies start coming."

I've been told by countless men that they had kids because their wife really wanted babies.
They shrug their shoulders and act like some hapless stooge that had no chance in the matter.

[Rudee]

A marriage is much like a late-night phone call.   You get a ring, and then you wake up.

[Howard]

A marriage is much like a late-night phone call.   You get a ring, and then you wake up.

..or in my case, you answer , realize who's on the line and hang up on 'em 

[Kahn.N.Singh]

I never wanted kids and had zero desire to be a father.

Dear Howard,

Your status as an unapologetic "bare branch," i.e., as an impenitent reproductive loser, is an affront to nature and to God Almighty, who implanted receptive pleasures under your thongs for the sake of promoting procreation. You, Howard, defraud the design of this plan: you are all too happy to take these pleasures without giving a modicum of reciprocal contribution. For shame. You come from a long, unbroken chain of progenitors, of ancestors, but you will not be an ancestor yourself.

Read, Howard, read from the Parable of the Barren Fig Tree (Isaiah 5:1-7)

A man had a fig tree that was planted in his vineyard [that's you, Howard, you're the fig tree]. He went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any [that's you again, Howard, you have not produced sweet offspring. You cheat providence's reason for planting you in the fertile vineyard of life. It looks to see the fruit of your loins only to find the nada, zilch, bupkis of self-indulgent sex]. So he said to the keeper of the vineyard, "Look, for the past three years I have come to search for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Therefore cut it down! Why should it use up the soil? [Howard, how does a barren fig tree like you justify using up soil in the vineyard of life after having for so long produced no fruit?]

Good day.

[Army of One]

Dear Howard,

Your status as an unapologetic "bare branch," i.e., as an impenitent reproductive loser, is an affront to nature and to God Almighty, who implanted receptive pleasures under your thongs for the sake of promoting procreation. You, Howard, defraud the design of this plan: you are all too happy to take these pleasures without giving a modicum of reciprocal contribution. For shame. You come from a long, unbroken chain of progenitors, of ancestors, but you will not be an ancestor yourself.

Read, Howard, read from the Parable of the Barren Fig Tree (Isaiah 5:1-7)

A man had a fig tree that was planted in his vineyard [that's you, Howard, you're the fig tree]. He went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any [that's you again, Howard, you have not produced sweet offspring. You cheat providence's reason for planting you in the fertile vineyard of life. It looks to see the fruit of your loins only to find the nada, zilch, bupkis of self-indulgent sex]. So he said to the keeper of the vineyard, "Look, for the past three years I have come to search for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Therefore cut it down! Why should it use up the soil? [Howard, how does a barren fig tree like you justify using up soil in the vineyard of life after having for so long produced no fruit?]

Good day.

Producing fruit at this point is taking up more space and having to be crammed in with the existing fruit.

[light weight baby]

like how do they advertise their insecurities?

give me an example of this

"i squatted 65 lbs today, oh my god i suck"

[King Shizzo]

Mixing with existing fruit presents no problems as long they keep their hands off the goods (Lord knows they try).

Fruit goes bad.

[Primemuscle]

I'll be the first to agree that nobody can predict ALL human behavior and preferences .
BUT the AVERAGE man would be better off waiting until his mid 30's to get married.

Maturity that comes with age and life experience is important.
For example, I was a much better college student after my 4 yrs active duty in the USMC.

You may be right, mainly because people are living longer. The negative side of this is that when those kids are teenagers and young adults, between the ages of 13 and 23, they are the most difficult to parent. This means the first born will be going through this period when the parent is roughly 55 years old. Younger parents often have more energy and are less doting, thus allowing the child to mature. Children who are overprotected and spoiled often take longer to mature, if they ever do.

[Primemuscle]

"i squatted 65 lbs today, oh my god i suck"

Is this because you skip leg days?

[The Wizard of Truth]

I've a few single friends or separated from wife and they are the guys I would party or go out with whereas it's the married guys who'd call for a cup of coffee and a catch up. Very few if none of my friends have 100% happy marriage and wouldn't fuck the sexy woman nextdoor if they thought they'd get away with it.

[Grape Ape]

I've a few single friends or separated from wife and they are the guys I would party or go out with whereas it's the married guys who'd call for a cup of coffee and a catch up. Very few if none of my friends have 100% happy marriage and wouldn't fuck the sexy woman nextdoor if they thought they'd get away with it.

Honest question - are their wives hot?

[Primemuscle]

Yes, some of it is the typical "tongue in cheek" self loathing banter.

BUT to me, it implies the one thing I detest: "it's inevitable "

I would hope you and most others here would know  I
think marriage and having children should be a CHOICE.

Every man is different and my choice won't be what others want and vice versa.
I can understand a man who doesn't want to get married , or wants to have children, etc.

It's not what they choose that bugs me, ( again) it's this attitude some have that having kids is inevitable.
My wife's hairdresser has 4 kids from 2 different husbands.
She acts like having kids is inevitable , especially when you get married.
She actually said ;" You get married  and the babies start coming."

I've been told by countless men that they had kids because their wife really wanted babies.
They shrug their shoulders and act like some hapless stooge that had no chance in the matter.

Most of what we think, do and live is a choice. Different people make different choices, which is mostly a good thing. We are not robots.

Your wife's hairdresser seems like an idiot. Her comment makes it seem like she believes she had nothing to do with having four children. Does she think humans are like ferns randomly distributing spores?

[The Wizard of Truth]

Honest question - are their wives hot?

5-7s

[Mr Anabolic]

I'm VERY happy being married. My wife is my lover , partner and best friend.

How many times did you convince yourself of this?  How many times were you married and divorced?

Idiot supreme.

[Grape Ape]

5-7s

I believe that's part of the problem.

[The Wizard of Truth]

I believe that's part of the problem.

Not everyone can be banging 10's man.

[Grape Ape]

Not everyone can be banging 10's man.

Obviously not, but coming home to someone you're attracted to is a big part of the game, I'd think.

[King Shizzo]

Not everyone can be banging 10's man.

Dont worry, Grape Ape is a selfish, gimmick prick.

He will be dealt with.

[DroppingPlates]

Dont worry, Grape Ape is a selfish, gimmick prick.

He will be dealt with.

Calm down beverage king, GA is a very decent poster

[Grape Ape]

Calm down beverage king, GA is a very decent poster

Thank you DP.

Shitzo is obviously drinking, and derailing many threads tonight - he's done this in at least 4 threads I just clicked on to read.

Obviously melting again.

[DroppingPlates]

Thank you DP.

Shitzo is obviously drinking, and derailing many threads tonight - he's done this in at least 4 threads I just clicked on to read.

Obviously melting again.

To make it an op-topic again, Shizzo needs a caring woman in his life, one that keeps a close eye on him.

[Grape Ape]

To make it an op-topic again, Shizzo needs a caring woman in his life, one that keeps a close eye on him.

He needs something other than this place, that is for sure.

He melted to the point of making threats against me (again).

It's getting sad.  I guess him getting owned up and down the site by multiple members is better than no attention at all?

[DroppingPlates]

He needs something other than this place, that is for sure.

He melted to the point of making threats against me (again).

It's getting sad.  I guess him getting owned up and down the site by multiple members is better than no attention at all?

Good question.. why would someone bitch around all the time, for therapeutic reasons