Alcohol + Opiates + Benzodiazepines

[wes]

I`d be willing to wager that I`ve done more drugs and booze than anyone on here and trust me I regret every minute of the time I wasted doing it.


Only an idiot would brag about it !!

[visualizeperfection]

Natural selection.

[Ted SuperSet]

Don't know, never tried - if I need something 'strong' for an injury I'd go as far as codeine.  Tramadol is OK for pain reduction but gives me a weird buzzy feeling so I'd rather not use that one.  As for fentanyl, etc. UK hospitals probably use this sort of thing, but I've never heard of people in the UK taking things like oxy/hydrocodone for fun - pretty sure that's a US thing.  Although I bet I'm 100% wrong now I've said it so am off for a quick Google...

I have no such desire also. I just wondered. Must be a usa thing indeed. It must be easy to get large quantity of them there painpilzz because how else can you abuse it? Alprozelam is prescriped here ofcourse but in tiny tiny amounts so you can never stash up on those meds. But that oxystuff? Only if you are dying.

[chess315]

Why not just take a few shots of vodka here and there and be done with it

[ESFitness]

I`d be willing to wager that I`ve done more drugs and booze than anyone on here and trust me I regret every minute of the time I wasted doing it.


Only an idiot would brag about it !!

Ill take that bet lol

[ESFitness]

Why not just take a few shots of vodka here and there and be done with it

Of all the shit I've done, alcohol comma vodka in particular comma has caused me the most trouble by far. Physically emotionally legally and financially. And that's including the $80,000 I spent on heroin in a 15-month span. People like me use drugs and alcohol to self-medicate, not to party and get high and feel good. And in doing so drinking alcohol and taking doses throughout the day as you would with a medication like a benzo / Xanax, you build up a tolerance and a physical dependence. And you end up needing to use it just so you don't go into withdrawal comma physical withdrawal including seizures and such baby can you reach back and grab that bag so there's nothing fun about using, or drink Aang that garbage here baby hit the quote thing hit post

[ESFitness]

Tramadol is weird, it can cause serotonin syndrome so you can't take too much of it at once. Lots of countries have codeine as an OTC medication but the US doesn't, so people resort to whatever they can abuse. You can put all of the restrictions and roadblocks on it you want, people will find a way to get high... When they reformulated/restricted oxycontin to be "Tamper proof" in 2010 a huge number of people simply went to heroin. I think that is why we have the "opioid epidemic" now. That bubble of users are dropping like flies from the stronger stuff that is suddenly floating around out there.

Which is exactly why I went to heroin. I have been clean from opiates since 2001 when I had a shoulder back neck injury, also found Out i had degenerative disc disease in my neck and degenerated discs from c4-c7 comma in 2012/2013 and was prescribed Tramadol (I'd declined Oxycodone slash Percocet, Vicodin, and tylenol3 codeine from the doctor). I agreed to the Tramadol believing it was non addictive because that's what I used to detox myself from nubain in 2001. Doctor prescribed eight tablets per day, however after a while I was not liking side effects and out of fear of serotonin syndrome I weaned myself down to 3 tablets per day. Like I said before 3, maybe 4 tablets per day 150 mg total was the lowest dose I could get to without going into withdrawal. Even 2.5 tablets would put me in withdrawal. Since Tramadol at the time wasn't a scheduled drug or whatever I accepted it that was something I would just have to live with since it wasn't a difficult drug to get in case I ran out too soon or whatever. I could get 180 tablets every 3weeks and i could order online and have it delivered Next Day Air (cash-on-delivery/C.O.D. even first & only thing I've ever bought "COD" btw lol)... Then the gov't scheduled it and required a doctor visit for every refill and limited how much and how often you could get. After a while my stockpile ran out and I had to go to the doctor for a refill and he wrote the script for 3 tabs per day but only enough for 3 weeks (I've talked about this here before), and the next available appointment for a refill wasn't for another 4 or maybe 5 weeks (I forget). Just dumb luck day one or two of withdrawal a client happened to have Dilaudid which help me over for a month.. Long story short, I switched to heroin.. Believing it would be much stronger and I would #1, get more "bang for the buck", & #2 have be much easier to get. Since I wouldn't have to rely on finding people with pain killer prescriptions and being first in line to buy their supply

[ESFitness]

Wow - is it even possible for a dealer to cut things that need to be measured in mcg?  Surely that needs something like a gas chromatograph to get it right?  Even if they don't care about killing someone, they surely don't want to throw product away?  Or is it just dirt cheap maybe?

Yea, it's possible to cut or mix Fentanyl in with inert powder and make "China White" so long as the person doing it is experienced and has accurate equipment. I would trust myself to do it however I have no desire to, but I'm not sure that I would trust anyone else to do it for me. You have to get the proper ratios down and be sure to mix it thoroughly. And bye thoroughly I mean using methods that are much more involved then mixing something such as say methyltrienolone at 5mg/ml, then diluting it downTo 500mcg/ml, or even 100mcg/ml  for a final product, since that product would remain liquid and not evaporated (not to mention an extra 100 micrograms or even 500 micrograms won't kill you within 10 minutes).. You'd need to mix the fentanyl ( or carfentanil or methylfentanyl or what ever analog it is) with the powder in liquid little by little while stirring and evaporate it while stirring so the shit doeant settle and form concentrated clumps where you have one "scoop" with 300mcg/1000mg and one with 500mcg/1000mg or whatever. Could be the difference between nodding out and nodding out and stopping breathing

[NelsonMuntz]

I`d be willing to wager that I`ve done more drugs and booze than anyone on here and trust me I regret every minute of the time I wasted doing it.


Only an idiot would brag about it !!

+1

[Matt]

What's the best route?

Generally speaking...

Opiates + Alcohol = ok

Benzodiazepines + Opiates = ok

Opiates + Benzodiazepines + Alcohol = warning

?

I think I responded to this thread already - but none of these three depressants should really be mixed.

I would suggest putting at least three days between any sort of "fun".  It makes it more worthwhile when you actually do it.  I was in a relationship with a woman once.  As I may have stated before, I am not a particularly sexual person.  I told her that I would be willing to have sex with her once weekly, as for me once monthly is fine.  Some time down there road she told me that she was more satisfied having sex with me than with her previous boyfriend because he would attempt to have sex with her on a daily basis, if not multiple times daily.  She said that effectively took the fun out of it.  This is true with most things.

I would say that if you are going to do opiates [I call them "free ones" because I once had a prescription, and my friend falsely thought I gave a free one to a separate friend, and then himself asked if I could give him a free one. ], put space between days.  That way your receptors stay "fresh".

I do believe in there concept of receptors burnout - doesn't it make sense that the more we use *anything*, the more used/worn it gets, and the less efficiently it operates?  In opiates terms, this means that if you put space between dates of consumption, you will also be "virginal" to the use, and get the full effect.  Why over use something, only to spend ridiculous amounts of money to chase a smaller effect?

A friend of mine did coke and opiates, and said that the only effect was nothing - as each drug cancelled out the effects of the other.  . In other cases, certain things will potentiate a particular drug - for opiates, grapefruits are said to do that.  Although individual results vary.

Another friend of mine said that he did 3x Anadrol 50 tablets, and all that happened was he got more side effects.  He stated that 2x daily Anadrol 50 tablets was the sweet spot - beyond which, he sustained nothing but more sides.  What's the point of that?

They say "Just say no to drugs", but I say "I want more information than that".  I want my friends to enjoy their lives, and should they drink alcohol or use drugs - to do so responsibly, and get as much information as possible before proceeding.  That is why threads like this are important.

Anyway, I have derailed the topic here, so let me say again what I opened this post with - none of these three drugs should be mixed.  If you are going to combine these, please do so in the company of someone you trust, and who will be able to contact medical attention, if needed.  And do not state on the phone that drugs were involved.  Yet another friend told me that if you call the police and state that drugs were involved, the police will show up.  To me, that is awful.  A drug overdose is a medical issue, not a criminal matter.  It makes me wonder how many people have died by not calling 911 out of fear they would be slapped with a drug charge.

Consider that doctors have been through years of education to learn precisely how to combined opiates with benzodiazepines.  So this combination is one that should be taken seriously - and more appropriately, outright avoided.  But since people are going to do it anyway, I may as well tell them to do so in the company of a person [or people] who cares about safety and well-being, and who is responsible enough to contact the proper medical authorities if necessary.

Alcohol + Opiates + Benzodiazepines SHOULD NOT COMBINED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.

[chess315]

I`d be willing to wager that I`ve done more drugs and booze than anyone on here and trust me I regret every minute of the time I wasted doing it.


Only an idiot would brag about it !!

you are bragging about it lol I doubt you have though there some fucked up people on here let me be tell you that

[ESFitness]

I think I responded to this thread already - but none of these three depressants should really be mixed.

I would suggest putting at least three days between any sort of "fun".  It makes it more worthwhile when you actually do it.  I was in a relationship with a woman once.  As I may have stated before, I am not a particularly sexual person.  I told her that I would be willing to have sex with her once weekly, as for me once monthly is fine.  Some time down there road she told me that she was more satisfied having sex with me than with her previous boyfriend because he would attempt to have sex with her on a daily basis, if not multiple times daily.  She said that effectively took the fun out of it.  This is true with most things.

I would say that if you are going to do opiates [I call them "free ones" because I once had a prescription, and my friend falsely thought I gave a free one to a separate friend, and then himself asked if I could give him a free one. ], put space between days.  That way your receptors stay "fresh".

I do believe in there concept of receptors burnout - doesn't it make sense that the more we use *anything*, the more used/worn it gets, and the less efficiently it operates?  In opiates terms, this means that if you put space between dates of consumption, you will also be "virginal" to the use, and get the full effect.  Why over use something, only to spend ridiculous amounts of money to chase a smaller effect?

A friend of mine did coke and opiates, and said that the only effect was nothing - as each drug cancelled out the effects of the other.  . In other cases, certain things will potentiate a particular drug - for opiates, grapefruits are said to do that.  Although individual results vary.

Another friend of mine said that he did 3x Anadrol 50 tablets, and all that happened was he got more side effects.  He stated that 2x daily Anadrol 50 tablets was the sweet spot - beyond which, he sustained nothing but more sides.  What's the point of that?

They say "Just say no to drugs", but I say "I want more information than that".  I want my friends to enjoy their lives, and should they drink alcohol or use drugs - to do so responsibly, and get as much information as possible before proceeding.  That is why threads like this are important.

Anyway, I have derailed the topic here, so let me say again what I opened this post with - none of these three drugs should be mixed.  If you are going to combine these, please do so in the company of someone you trust, and who will be able to contact medical attention, if needed.  And do not state on the phone that drugs were involved.  Yet another friend told me that if you call the police and state that drugs were involved, the police will show up.  To me, that is awful.  A drug overdose is a medical issue, not a criminal matter.  It makes me wonder how many people have died by not calling 911 out of fear they would be slapped with a drug charge.

Consider that doctors have been through years of education to learn precisely how to combined opiates with benzodiazepines.  So this combination is one that should be taken seriously - and more appropriately, outright avoided.  But since people are going to do it anyway, I may as well tell them to do so in the company of a person [or people] who cares about safety and well-being, and who is responsible enough to contact the proper medical authorities if necessary.

Alcohol + Opiates + Benzodiazepines SHOULD NOT COMBINED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.

What? You're only "willing" to fuck her once a week???

And coke (or any stimulant) and opiates don't "cancel each other out". Coke will still cause a dopamine high and opiates will still work on opioid receptors. Usually the stim will over power the opiate however. Usually the stimulant will keep you awake to enjoy the opiate, such as with ephederine and nubain.

Alcohol and benzos will usually result in a blackout.

If you have benzos in your system then do a shot of opiate, chances of "falling out" (actually collapsing) increase. Never happened to me however. I'd rather take the benzos after the opiate and I would be able to wait longer before my next opiate dose.

When taking my first vicodin, it was explained(by a guy used to post here, who you all know.. you also gave me the Vicodin... who was also a huge Coke head in the 80s and 90s) to me that they felt better if you took 2 along with a can of Guinness beer to really "get the full effect". It was over a year till I would even drink my first beer at the time and about two years until I took my next Vicodin (started nubain soon after that Vicodin) no a

[Nether Animal]

Which is exactly why I went to heroin. I have been clean from opiates since 2001 when I had a shoulder back neck injury, also found Out i had degenerative disc disease in my neck and degenerated discs from c4-c7 comma in 2012/2013 and was prescribed Tramadol (I'd declined Oxycodone slash Percocet, Vicodin, and tylenol3 codeine from the doctor). I agreed to the Tramadol believing it was non addictive because that's what I used to detox myself from nubain in 2001. Doctor prescribed eight tablets per day, however after a while I was not liking side effects and out of fear of serotonin syndrome I weaned myself down to 3 tablets per day. Like I said before 3, maybe 4 tablets per day 150 mg total was the lowest dose I could get to without going into withdrawal. Even 2.5 tablets would put me in withdrawal. Since Tramadol at the time wasn't a scheduled drug or whatever I accepted it that was something I would just have to live with since it wasn't a difficult drug to get in case I ran out too soon or whatever. I could get 180 tablets every 3weeks and i could order online and have it delivered Next Day Air (cash-on-delivery/C.O.D. even first & only thing I've ever bought "COD" btw lol)... Then the gov't scheduled it and required a doctor visit for every refill and limited how much and how often you could get. After a while my stockpile ran out and I had to go to the doctor for a refill and he wrote the script for 3 tabs per day but only enough for 3 weeks (I've talked about this here before), and the next available appointment for a refill wasn't for another 4 or maybe 5 weeks (I forget). Just dumb luck day one or two of withdrawal a client happened to have Dilaudid which help me over for a month.. Long story short, I switched to heroin.. Believing it would be much stronger and I would #1, get more "bang for the buck", & #2 have be much easier to get. Since I wouldn't have to rely on finding people with pain killer prescriptions and being first in line to buy their supply

Yup. Miss those old green OC 80s to this day... "green monsters."

[Taffin]

Yup. Miss those old green OC 80s to this day... "green monsters."

One of the reasons I like this place is the random things I hear that I had no clue about before - case in point: 'green OC 80s'.  A quick Google found me this very interesting historical (10yrs old) article.  First observation:  sounds hella expensive dude!?!?

And as for the articles author, obviously a 'user' likes to think the whole world uses, but it's still kinda interesting.  And I enjoy these threads because I think that given another path in life I might have gone this way - although many on here decry the whole wife & kids scenario, it certainly stops you from partaking in all of this stuff - I mean, who needs a f**ked up husband and Dad?

"OC-80, the Valley's drug of choice

Heard of OC-80? It's the Valley's next big drug, the strongest dose available of OxyContin — the same pain pills that got Rush Limbaugh hooked. A Valleywag informant who's a recovering OC-80 user himself says addicts are easy to spot: They're the ones who keep rushing to the front desk, asking if the FedEx deliveries have arrived yet. That's because the pills which get here are most frequently overnighted from L.A., where doctors are more willing to skirt the law and write prescriptions. It's expensive, and therefore deemed classy: People pay $70 a pill retail, $40 in bulk. Not that you're going to look especially swank while you scrape off the green coating, crush it, and snort it. Here's our tipster's tale of the real OC.

Why don't you publish more stories about the drug culture in the Valley? You do know that everyone who's anyone is on drugs. Mostly OC-80 pain killers, since they are the expensive $40/pill drug and much better than cocaine. Haven't you seen what goes on at parties? I don't know how to explain it as a previous addict (I haven't had pills in 6+ months), but you can spot everyone else like you a mile away, and even now my conversations turn to drugs.

I recently did contract work for a company and the last person I interviewed with and I knew a common person, suddenly we made a drug joke, and pretty soon we both were on the same page, it's like a secret club, and I got the contract.

You have no idea (or maybe you do) the amount of prescription painkillers flowing in Silicon Valley. If you think that Hollywood has drug problems, the Valley is way, way worse. It's just that people keep it much more secret.

I can't even remember all the times I've been at some of the top 10 companies in the valley snorting OC with somebody who's on the board of a big company. It's sad really, I don't know how to explain it. After having spent two years addicted to OC and spending $100k+ and being a well functioning addict, I feel sorry for people who are on pills. It just makes me crazy somedays to know that everyone says drugs are bad, but EVERYONE who runs the world is on them...."

http://gawker.com/336496/oc-80-the-valleys-drug-of-choice

[ESFitness]

I was prescribed dark green oxy CR (continuous release) 80s after my surgery in Aug. (Along oxycodone IR (instant release) 30's. the 80s were made up of shit that prevents them from being crushed and disolved.

Funny thing about oxycodone is that the oral bioavailability is higher than if snorted and there's no "rush" like with diluadid or heroin.

[NelsonMuntz]

Gee and I thought the only doctors here were Slik and Walter White.

Lots of experts with medical degrees giving their expertise

Sorry guys nothing personal but every single person here talking about drugs(including me) is talking out of their ass.

Don't try to make some 3 page response to my claim here, does not change the fact that you guys are talking out of your ass and putting out alot of dangerous talk that just one moron could take without thinking, apply to themselves and die.

Honestly this fucking thread should not even be here.

[Mobil]

Ime the alcohol always overrode the "good" feeling of opiates. Benzos will kinda potienate the opiates, but too much and you'll just fall asleep. Best combo I used was opiates, benzos,& soma. But its hard to find some these days. Drs switched to flexeril and zanaflex.

Bad news though far as addiction goes. Last thing you want is to be addicted to opiates NEEDING to take a dose 1st thing in the morning just to "get well".(i.e. get yourself "not dope sick"). Before long percs or oxys or opana supplies will run low or get too expensive and you'll rationalize heroin because its cheaper and stronger... Before long you'll spend $78k in a year n a half on it like I did... And end up in a $60k rehab with a $6k co-pay. Never ends well. Since I got out of that rehab spring '16, I've known of well over a dozen people who've od'd and died by usingbopiates with benzos in their systems.

Oh btw, most people who is and die from opiates, dontbdie just from opiate od... Almost always because they mixxed benzos and/or alcohol with the opiate.

i have a buddy on dones and bars alot.....makes sense what you said

[wes]

Ill take that bet lol

It would be a close one dude!!   LOL 

[ProudVirgin69]

Gee and I thought the only doctors here were Slik and Walter White.

Lots of experts with medical degrees giving their expertise

Sorry guys nothing personal but every single person here talking about drugs(including me) is talking out of their ass.

Don't try to make some 3 page response to my claim here, does not change the fact that you guys are talking out of your ass and putting out alot of dangerous talk that just one moron could take without thinking, apply to themselves and die.

Honestly this fucking thread should not even be here.

Junkies know more about getting high than doctors, why is this surprising to you?  Lots of "tricks" that can only be learned from experience - not taught in school.

[ESFitness]

Gee and I thought the only doctors here were Slik and Walter White.

Lots of experts with medical degrees giving their expertise

Sorry guys nothing personal but every single person here talking about drugs(including me) is talking out of their ass.

Don't try to make some 3 page response to my claim here, does not change the fact that you guys are talking out of your ass and putting out alot of dangerous talk that just one moron could take without thinking, apply to themselves and die.

Honestly this fucking thread should not even be here.

Wrong.

You assume because you don't understand pharmacokinetics and your other substance abusing cohorts don't understand pharmacokinetics either, that certainly nobody here could.

One thing I don't do, and never have, is talk out of my ass. Not in my day today "real life", and not here. That's something you learn in prison. Anything you say can and will be verified by somebody else so if you're talking out of your ass, you're going to get cold on it pretty quick so you better be damn sure what you're talking about before you start talking about it.

I have dedicated my life to understanding the human body, how it works, pertaining to this thread that includes how "drugs" in general, affect a human body. Obviously steroids and hormones, and other performance enhancing and cosmetic enhancing drugs, but also things such as painkillers opiates of all forms, stimulants both recreational and performance-enhancing, antidepressants, antipsychotics, anti-anxiety an anti-Whatever and Whatever-reuptake inhibitors... everything that I would possibly use or be prescribed, AND anything that any of my clients wood be using or prescribed, and I would have to work with or work around. As a trainer I have always viewed it as an asset to have as much knowledge as possible regarding anyting a client maybe using. Not just chemicals, hormones, "drugs", whatever, that I myself maybe using.

Pharmacology and pharmacokinetics, and pharmaceutical science has always fascinated me. I scour thrift stores for old textbooks on the subjects, and for "fun", would rather read something like Bentleys Textbook on Pharmaceutical Science or Greys Anatomy than FLEX magazine or play Xbox. I have always wanted to understand how the body and mind works and understand how it can be manipulated and affected by the things we put in it. I don't get how some people can go to the doctor get a prescription and blindly take drugs without knowing what they are, what they do, and how they do it.

So I'm curious, since I assume your post is partly, if not largely directed towards me since I was a large contributor in this thread, where I'm "talking out of my ass" and what I've said that is incorrect.

[NelsonMuntz]

Wrong.

You assume because you don't understand pharmacokinetics and your other substance abusing cohorts don't understand pharmacokinetics either, that certainly nobody here could.

One thing I don't do, and never have, is talk out of my ass. Not in my day today "real life", and not here. That's something you learn in prison. Anything you say can and will be verified by somebody else so if you're talking out of your ass, you're going to get cold on it pretty quick so you better be damn sure what you're talking about before you start talking about it.

I have dedicated my life to understanding the human body, how it works, pertaining to this thread that includes how "drugs" in general, affect a human body. Obviously steroids and hormones, and other performance enhancing and cosmetic enhancing drugs, but also things such as painkillers opiates of all forms, stimulants both recreational and performance-enhancing, antidepressants, antipsychotics, anti-anxiety an anti-Whatever and Whatever-reuptake inhibitors... everything that I would possibly use or be prescribed, AND anything that any of my clients wood be using or prescribed, and I would have to work with or work around. As a trainer I have always viewed it as an asset to have as much knowledge as possible regarding anyting a client maybe using. Not just chemicals, hormones, "drugs", whatever, that I myself maybe using.

Pharmacology and pharmacokinetics, and pharmaceutical science has always fascinated me. I scour thrift stores for old textbooks on the subjects, and for "fun", would rather read something like Bentleys Textbook on Pharmaceutical Science or Greys Anatomy than FLEX magazine or play Xbox. I have always wanted to understand how the body and mind works and understand how it can be manipulated and affected by the things we put in it. I don't get how some people can go to the doctor get a prescription and blindly take drugs without knowing what they are, what they do, and how they do it.

So I'm curious, since I assume your post is partly, if not largely directed towards me since I was a large contributor in this thread, where I'm "talking out of my ass" and what I've said that is incorrect.

Sorry you are talking out of your ass. You act like you have a medical degree and you don't.

If anything you should be serving as a cautionary tale of being a former fuck up on drugs, nothing more or less.

You are an addict, whether sober or not an addict. Nothing more so stop with the "expertise", you have the letters CPT on your business card, Not MD lol.

You are no smarter than me or my so called cohorts, just like us a bunch of arrests, dui's, rehab and hospital visits. The only reason you never ended up homeless was because your parents most likely covered your ass. Stop deluding yourself.

I mean this with all sincerity. From my experience all the so called too smart for their own good addicts and alcoholics ended up in the ground. That is one thing that almost killed me many times as well so I can smell my own.

At least wes and I have some common sense

Anyways how to's etc of recreational drug talk is supposed to be not on here, at least one thing I agree with Gh15 about

and stop bragging about prison, it makes you look like white trash

[spiro]

Junkies know more about getting high than doctors, why is this surprising to you?  Lots of "tricks" that can only be learned from experience - not taught in school.

Agreed junkies know way more about Narcotics doctors only know the few paragraphs they read in some book.

My doctor gave me lyrica for neck pain. I asked him if it would get my high or become addicting. Idiot said absolutely not. After a 5 minute Google search turns out too be heavily abused a bitch too come off of.

Same doctor doesn't believe suboxone can't be snorted because it has naloxone.

[Nether Animal]

lyrica is very abuseable. nasty withdrawal too

[Board_SHERIF]

wonder what became of Jamaal? sounds like he was a top bloke

[spiro]

lyrica is very abuseable. nasty withdrawal too

A lot of Doctors are clueless. I work in the medical field I see it every day. 8 year olds being prescribed klonopin, adderall, along with 2-3 other meds. I have a serious distrust of Doctors.