Alcohol + Opiates + Benzodiazepines

[The Ugly]

I`d be willing to wager that I`ve done more drugs and booze than anyone on here and trust me I regret every minute of the time I wasted doing it.

How'd you turn it around, Wes? If you don't mind sharing, was there some "bottom" for you?

[Nether Animal]

Kids are desperate and inventive nowadays. Two I've heard about more than once:

Dextromethorphan, which is in Robitussin. They have a lot of these restricted now, need to be 18 to purchase. Kids down half a bottle or more and apparently its like ketamine or PCP. Lots of weird disassociation and such. Call it "Robo tripping."

The other, Benzedrex. Comes in those little inhalers. People pop the cotton rod out of it and soak it in something, then drink it. Apparently its very close to meth, but feels very "dirty." Desperate stimheads try this.

[Van_Bilderass]

The other, Benzedrex. Comes in those little inhalers. People pop the cotton rod out of it and soak it in something, then drink it. Apparently its very close to meth, but feels very "dirty." Desperate stimheads try this.

Is that still available? Author Jack Kerouac said he used benzedrine coffee to write On The Road in three days. This was in 1957!

In my town a few years ago during a city festival kids were hospitalized after drinking soap from port-a-potties... it contained gbl!

[Nether Animal]

"Propylhexedrine is most commonly found in over-the-counter Benzedrex inhalers. Benzedrex was first manufactured by Smith, Kline and French after the Benzedrine inhaler, which contained racemic amphetamine, became unavailable following the placement of amphetamines on the US Schedule II status".

 

[Van_Bilderass]

"Propylhexedrine is most commonly found in over-the-counter Benzedrex inhalers. Benzedrex was first manufactured by Smith, Kline and French after the Benzedrine inhaler, which contained racemic amphetamine, became unavailable following the placement of amphetamines on the US Schedule II status".

 

The authorities hate people having fun 

[Nether Animal]

The authorities hate people having fun 

It seems like it would have potential, but I've heard lots of bad experiences... very vasoconstrictive without a very sustained come-up. Just gives mainly peripheral effects:

"It is an analogue of methamphetamine that is used medicinally for relief of congestion due to colds, allergies and allergic rhinitis and recreationally for its euphoric effects. The effects are similar to those of methamphetamine while the duration of propylhexedrine is much shorter than that of methamphetamine. Propylhexedrine differs from methamphetamine only in that it has a saturated cyclohexane ring where methamphetamine has a phenyl ring."

[ESFitness]

Sorry you are talking out of your ass. You act like you have a medical degree and you don't.

If anything you should be serving as a cautionary tale of being a former fuck up on drugs, nothing more or less.

You are an addict, whether sober or not an addict. Nothing more so stop with the "expertise", you have the letters CPT on your business card, Not MD lol.

You are no smarter than me or my so called cohorts, just like us a bunch of arrests, dui's, rehab and hospital visits. The only reason you never ended up homeless was because your parents most likely covered your ass. Stop deluding yourself.

I mean this with all sincerity. From my experience all the so called too smart for their own good addicts and alcoholics ended up in the ground. That is one thing that almost killed me many times as well so I can smell my own.

At least wes and I have some common sense

Anyways how to's etc of recreational drug talk is supposed to be not on here, at least one thing I agree with Gh15 about

and stop bragging about prison, it makes you look like white trash

Listen you dumb fuck I told you to fucking show me, show everybody here where I am wrong. "Talking out of your ass" means I don't know what I'm talking about and what I'm saying is incorrect so you dumb fucking drunk, show us where I'm incorrect.

And show me where I'm "acting" like I'm a medical doctor like I have a medical degree. You stupid motherfuckr you think you need a medical degree to know the maximum recommended dosage of Tylenol? Or you need a fucking medical degree to know that Tylenol can cause liver damage?

Nope.

You're the stereotypical ex-junkie ex-drunk who believes every other x junkie and x drunk is just like you.

I'm "no smarter than you"? Hate to break it to you moron, but when it comes to this shit I am, "smarter than you".  

You're the type of person who blindly accepts whatever the doctor tella you, as you should, because you're just plain stupid and uneducated uninformed when it comes to a lot of things. So people like you when they blindly take the medication doctor recommends that causes heart failure erectile dysfunction in sudden-death, you deserve it. All of it.

Me? I want to know what's going into my body and how it works. And I happen to understand the shit I read.

[ESFitness]

Is that still available? Author Jack Kerouac said he used benzedrine coffee to write On The Road in three days. This was in 1957!

In my town a few years ago during a city festival kids were hospitalized after drinking soap from port-a-potties... it contained gbl!

They're still on the market far as I know. They contain Propyl-hexedrine now (or poly hexedrine? I forget). People spill break them open and cut up the little sponge thing inside the soaked in the chemical and eat it.

Benzedrine I believe is where slang "benny's" came from that baseball players used to use. Just another stim like "dexedrine" dextroamphetamine that was sold as "diet pills". (Where "dex-a-trim" got the name from).

[Van_Bilderass]

It seems like it would have potential, but I've heard lots of bad experiences... very vasoconstrictive without a very sustained come-up. Just gives mainly peripheral effects:

"It is an analogue of methamphetamine that is used medicinally for relief of congestion due to colds, allergies and allergic rhinitis and recreationally for its euphoric effects. The effects are similar to those of methamphetamine while the duration of propylhexedrine is much shorter than that of methamphetamine. Propylhexedrine differs from methamphetamine only in that it has a saturated cyclohexane ring where methamphetamine has a phenyl ring."

I mean that they switched out the benzedrine for this other shit  If it was any good it wouldn't be in inhalers today.

[ProudVirgin69]

Agreed junkies know way more about Narcotics doctors only know the few paragraphs they read in some book.

My doctor gave me lyrica for neck pain. I asked him if it would get my high or become addicting. Idiot said absolutely not. After a 5 minute Google search turns out too be heavily abused a bitch too come off of.

Same doctor doesn't believe suboxone can't be snorted because it has naloxone.

Wow that's really surprising, if only for the fact that Lyrica/pregabalin is a scheduled drug meaning that the FDA recognizes that it is addictive and/or has potential for abuse.  This means your doctor would have had to write the Rx in a special way, no excuse for him not knowing

I feel like most doctors are pretty good, but there are definitely some bad ones but that's like any profession.  They're all human, too

[Zillotch]

I feel like most doctors are pretty good, but there are definitely some bad ones but that's like any profession.  They're all human, too

set a good person into a dark system and most of the time they fall in line.

[Taffin]

Yea, it's possible to cut or mix Fentanyl in with inert powder and make "China White" so long as the person doing it is experienced and has accurate equipment. I would trust myself to do it however I have no desire to, but I'm not sure that I would trust anyone else to do it for me. You have to get the proper ratios down and be sure to mix it thoroughly. And bye thoroughly I mean using methods that are much more involved then mixing something such as say methyltrienolone at 5mg/ml, then diluting it downTo 500mcg/ml, or even 100mcg/ml  for a final product, since that product would remain liquid and not evaporated (not to mention an extra 100 micrograms or even 500 micrograms won't kill you within 10 minutes).. You'd need to mix the fentanyl ( or carfentanil or methylfentanyl or what ever analog it is) with the powder in liquid little by little while stirring and evaporate it while stirring so the shit doeant settle and form concentrated clumps where you have one "scoop" with 300mcg/1000mg and one with 500mcg/1000mg or whatever. Could be the difference between nodding out and nodding out and stopping breathing

While I don't doubt your personal ability to do this, surely when you talk about mixing and stirring you are using mechanical means?  I mean, not you doing the work..?  No details of method required, I just can't see you using a bowl and spoon 

And I suppose my next question applies to anything distributed at the mcg level, presumably it's purchased in waaaaay smaller quantities than the usual bulk powders...?  And so is priced accordingly, i.e. more than gold, etc.

[wes]

How'd you turn it around, Wes? If you don't mind sharing, was there some "bottom" for you?

I hit a zillion bottoms brother and each one was worse than the previous one.

Had to seek professional help which is something I swore I would never do, bit  it saved my life.

[Ted SuperSet]

Kids are desperate and inventive nowadays. Two I've heard about more than once:

Dextromethorphan, which is in Robitussin. They have a lot of these restricted now, need to be 18 to purchase. Kids down half a bottle or more and apparently its like ketamine or PCP. Lots of weird disassociation and such. Call it "Robo tripping."

The other, Benzedrex. Comes in those little inhalers. People pop the cotton rod out of it and soak it in something, then drink it. Apparently its very close to meth, but feels very "dirty." Desperate stimheads try this.

Loo

Serious question: do you have  job?
If not how can you afford hanging around, be on forums all day and using drugs?
In usa you need a job to survive no? Or are you still living at home uneployed (getbig basement style)?
No pun, just wondering how some people do it.

[Ted SuperSet]

While I don't doubt your personal ability to do this, surely when you talk about mixing and stirring you are using mechanical means?  I mean, not you doing the work..?  No details of method required, I just can't see you using a bowl and spoon 

And I suppose my next question applies to anything distributed at the mcg level, presumably it's purchased in waaaaay smaller quantities than the usual bulk powders...?  And so is priced accordingly, i.e. more than gold, etc.

Looking for a sidegig taff?
Cooking up pills in the bathtub.
Selling them at local bars and clubs?
Why do you need all these details brother?
Dont go down the rabbithole in to the dark side. Dont go tbombz.
Self-sensor yourself and block getbig.com!

[Ted SuperSet]

I hit a zillion bottoms brother and each one was worse than the previous one.

Had to seek professional help which is something I swore I would never do, bit  it saved my life.

Wes why did you not seek professional help right away?
Why did you always say you would "never" do that? To proud?
Seems kind of stubborn and stupid.

[Taffin]

quote author=Ted SuperSet link=topic=633126.msg8975290#msg8975290 date=1516647462

Looking for a sidegig taff?
No, I'm f**king loaded thanks (or at least you've accused me of that in the past  )

Cooking up pills in the bathtub
Who mentioned pills?  And a bathtub for mcg product???

Selling them at local bars and clubs?
Haha - do you know how long it is since I went 'out'?

Why do you need all these details brother?
Scientific/morbid curiosity

Dont go down the rabbithole in to the dark side. Dont go tbombz.
Self-sensor yourself and block getbig.com!
I told you, it's on my to-do list...

 

[Ted SuperSet]

quote author=Ted SuperSet link=topic=633126.msg8975290#msg8975290 date=1516647462

Looking for a sidegig taff?
No, I'm f**king loaded thanks (or at least you've accused me of that in the past  )

Cooking up pills in the bathtub
Who mentioned pills?  And a bathtub for mcg product???

Selling them at local bars and clubs?
Haha - do you know how long it is since I went 'out'?

Why do you need all these details brother?
Scientific/morbid curiosity

Dont go down the rabbithole in to the dark side. Dont go tbombz.
Self-sensor yourself and block getbig.com!
I told you, it's on my to-do list...

 

Thanx for providing much needed answers my friend. Much appreciated.
I can now go back and jerk off my Pierce Brosnan blow up doll with a peacefull mind.

[Taffin]

Thanx for providing much needed answers my friend. Much appreciated.
I can now go back and jerk off my Pierce Brosnan blow up doll with a peacefull mind.

Don't be jealous of my lifestyle brah...



 

[ESFitness]

While I don't doubt your personal ability to do this, surely when you talk about mixing and stirring you are using mechanical means?  I mean, not you doing the work..?  No details of method required, I just can't see you using a bowl and spoon 

And I suppose my next question applies to anything distributed at the mcg level, presumably it's purchased in waaaaay smaller quantities than the usual bulk powders...?  And so is priced accordingly, i.e. more than gold, etc.

Yea, you're not using a bowl and spoon to do it properly... Anywhere near close to "properly", that is. However, seeing as how people make "crack" cocaine, I would not in the least bit be surprised.

And yea, the stuff would be purchased in smaller quantities. Instead of buying a kilo, or 100grams, or even 10grams, You D be getting a gram or 2 or 5.  To use n anabolic as an example, 1gram of methyltriemolone would produce 66 30ml bottles of product at 500mcg/ml (30ml at 500mcg/ml is 15mg/bottle), or 1,980 doses with 10mg "lost in the shuffle" or  unaccounted for  due to rounding down from Port from 66-point- whatever... Or 83 bottles at 400mcg/ml. Or 2,490 individual doses... Just a 100mcg/ml decrease adds an extra 210-211ml or an extra 510 doses.

*number may be off a bit, typing this while shopping for groceries


100mcg dose of fentanyl can make a big difference with most people. They gave me 600mcg my first surgery, highest dose they'd ever given at that hospital and could kill 3 adults. After my 2nd surgery waking up I asked the nurse for more pain meds as whatever they'd given me was wearing off. She said sure and I asked what dose and she said 25 micrograms of Fentanyl (what most people get) I laughed and said don't even bother, I would just wait till I got back to my room for my regular dose of Dilaudid.... so it's not something you would eyeball the measurements or dosages for, and seeing how a lot of dealers of recreational shit tend to eyeball there products when mixing, not to mention using ghetto equipment, such as a bowl and a spoon or chopsticks or mixing on a cutting board with credit cards or poker cards or whatever, fentanyl isn't something you don't want an amateur, well technically I'm an amateur, something you wouldn't want somebody inexperienced or on educated "making"... If that makes sense.

[Ted SuperSet]

Don't be jealous of my lifestyle brah...



 

 

[ESFitness]

I hit a zillion bottoms brother and each one was worse than the previous one.

Had to seek professional help which is something I swore I would never do, bit  it saved my life.

I think the "hit rock bottom" cliche is kind of a joke. As no matter how bad things are, they could always be worse, and after each "bottom" there's another bottom, until you're dead.

When I start it out I thought watching my bank account go from $20,000 down to $15,000 was a bottom... then it hit 10,000, then 5000, which I thought was a bottom, etc... Overdosing could've been a bottom, then ODing again, and again, and again... Etc... There's always another bottom.

When I decided to stop nubain, going to na never crossed my mind much less going to rehab. I could still afford it, but supply was almost gone at that time, and I had zero connections for painkiller pills such as Oxycontin or Vicodin, not that they would have been an option anyways since nubain had completely fucked my tolerance at that point and oxycontin had zero effect on me this was long before I learned I had a genetic abnormality in the way my body metabolizes certain drugs, opiates in particular (p450 enzyme etc..), and at that time switching to heroin was not something I would have ever considered. Just made the decision to stop.

Making the decision to stop is why most people who get clean actually stay clean. Making the decision to do something, is why anybody is successful at anything, IMO.

[wes]

Wes why did you not seek professional help right away?
Why did you always say you would "never" do that? To proud?
Seems kind of stubborn and stupid.

Well instead of identyfying with the people in AA + NA I compared myself to them instead.,meaning I would always think they were weak........drinking Aqua-Velva and wood grain rubbing alcohol..........I figured if you couldn`t get a buck to get a cheap bottle of wine that you were just lame.

Since then I went to a zillion meeting though I no longer attend...............hav en` been to one in over 15  years.

Stay strong if anybody`s hooked..............this too shall pass.

[wes]

I think the "hit rock bottom" cliche is kind of a joke. As no matter how bad things are, they could always be worse, and after each "bottom" there's another bottom, until you're dead.

When I start it out I thought watching my bank account go from $20,000 down to $15,000 was a bottom... then it hit 10,000, then 5000, which I thought was a bottom, etc... Overdosing could've been a bottom, then ODing again, and again, and again... Etc... There's always another bottom.

When I decided to stop nubain, going to na never crossed my mind much less going to rehab. I could still afford it, but supply was almost gone at that time, and I had zero connections for painkiller pills such as Oxycontin or Vicodin, not that they would have been an option anyways since nubain had completely fucked my tolerance at that point and oxycontin had zero effect on me this was long before I learned I had a genetic abnormality in the way my body metabolizes certain drugs, opiates in particular (p450 enzyme etc..), and at that time switching to heroin was not something I would have ever considered. Just made the decision to stop.

Making the decision to stop is why most people who get clean actually stay clean. Making the decision to do something, is why anybody is successful at anything, IMO.

Hitting bottom is a sad reality......I drank very heavy and used drugs for 33 years.sleeping in doorways was no fun...............as yiou said each bottom gerts worse.

I agree whole hartedly that you have to want to do something reayll bad to make changes in your life as far as drugs and booze go ass well as many other things.

[Taffin]

ESF - hope you don't mind, but I thought a copy of your post in the Misfits thread would fit into the conversation here too..

Q1:  Since you were training people at this time, presumably you were in vests, T-shirts, that sort of thing - so weren't your injection marks visible?

Q2:  And since you were using this stuff to give you the energy to work this heavy schedule, when you say "If heroin were legal and regulated like ciggerettes and booze, I'd probably still use it" what would you be looking to get from it this time round?  (That sort of presumes you're not currently doing 20 hour days..)

Nope. Opiates affect me differently than most. Like nether animal said..
..I NEVER had that nodding-out, drowsy feeling. I was always awake and hungry on them. If heroin were legal and regulated like ciggerettes and booze, is probably still use it. So long as the proper things for withdrawal when going off or taking a break were available as well. Such as suboxone, clonidine, baclofen, valium/Xanax, gabapentin, etc.

I was always productive on heroin. Like I said before many times; my first clients were at 5-530am (I'd charge 120-150/hr for the early clients for making me work on 3hrs sleep lol), then I'd train ppl till 7pm, at which time is take over as gym manager and be the only one on duty till I closed the gym at midnight... Rush home and get to bed by 1-2am and wake up at 4-430am.

I'd wake up at 4am and do a shot, then another after the first block of clients around 9am, another at bout 1pm, another at 5pm, another at 8pm, and maybe one at 1130pm and the last when I got home about 1230/1am..... All 750-1000mg each dose. Coming out to 5-6g/day (about 280$/day.. Came out to about 8k a month on heroin alone.) I never knew anybody else who even did heroin, aside from 1 dealer I knew amd he'd been using it for 20yrs and would nod out on 250mg while I'd shoot 4x that and be totally fine.

Withdrawal for me fucken sucked, and I tried to put myself in a coma with alcohol to sleep through it, hoping I'd wake up 3-4days later and be back to "normal". All that did was create a physical alcohol addiction, as I never enjoyed drinking. I just drank it when I had no access to benzos. If I had benzos, I'd never drink. Never had a problem with benzos, btw. Never developed a tolerance to then as the same dose of klonopin today affects me the same way it did 18yrs ago. Rare for people who have alcohol addictions to be able to use benzos "normally". (I've had 2 valium in a bottle on my counter since Nov lol.. Just took a half yesterday n probablynwont take any more for another month or so).