Serious question for anybody here opposing gun ownership.

[NelsonMuntz]

the only thing that irks me about the whole anti-gun thing is the politicians and celebutards who whine about guns most often leave out the part where they have bodyguards and/or carry some kind of weapons themselves

[Pray_4_War]

WHAT ABOUT RETARDED MEN?

WHAT ABOUT EX -FELONS?

Mental illness is complex and each person should be treated like an individual.  Anyone that is labeled as "retarded" is probably too far gone mentally to be trusted with a firearm.

I believe that ex-felons that served their time and were released should have all their constitutional rights restored.

[Dave D]

I believe that ex-felons that served their time and were released should have all their constitutional rights restored.

Interesting idea, the recidivism rate is high for criminals. But it isn't as if the lack of their constitutional  rights prevents them from committing crimes, and the technically paid the price for their offences.

[Pray_4_War]

Interesting idea, the recidivism rate is high for criminals. But it isn't as if the lack of their constitutional  rights prevents them from committing crimes, and the technically paid the price for their offences.

I fucking hate felons but when you serve your time you serve your time.  If they are so fucking dangerous that the mere possession of a weapon will cause them to re-offend then why the fuck did you let them out?

Plus in the future, who knows what stupid shit will be considered a felony.  Criticizing mooslims?  Denying man made global warming?  Thought crimes?

[Top Poodle]

I fucking hate felons but when you serve your time you serve your time.  If they are so fucking dangerous that the mere possession of a weapon will cause them to re-offend then why the fuck did you let them out?

Plus in the future, who knows what stupid shit will be considered a felony.  Criticizing mooslims?  Denying man made global warming?  Thought crimes?

They already are crimes in many lands

"Misgendering" mentally ill people in Canada

Criticizing muzzies in Germany

Saying migrants shit on the street in Sweden

Only Russia remains with good strong moral laws

[Simple Simon]

Mental illness is complex and each person should be treated like an individual.  Anyone that is labeled as "retarded" is probably too far gone mentally to be trusted with a firearm.

I believe that ex-felons that served their time and were released should have all their constitutional rights restored.

who are you tell anyone they cant be trusted with a firearm?

Why should the government have any right to restrict someone's right to bear arms?

Seems you want to pick and choose who owns a gun now based on your own personal opinion of them
By the way, how many mass shootings were done by someone with a mental health problem?

[Pray_4_War]

who are you tell anyone they cant be trusted with a firearm?

Why should the government have any right to restrict someone's right to bear arms?

Seems you want to pick and choose who owns a gun now based on your own personal opinion of them
By the way, how many mass shootings were done by someone with a mental health problem?

You are either a fucking idiot or the worlds least funny troll.  Perhaps both.  You should feel bad.

[Top Poodle]

PRAY 4 WAR

[Simple Simon]

You are either a fucking idiot or the worlds least funny troll.  Perhaps both.  You should feel bad.

ad hominem attacks don't address the point....

[residue]

the only thing that irks me about the whole anti-gun thing is the politicians and celebutards who whine about guns most often leave out the part where they have bodyguards and/or carry some kind of weapons themselves

what irks me is anytime any calls for stricter background checks or the insane gun show loophole they're labeled as aiti gun

[stuntmovie]

BETHERE, SF, Thanks for your decent answer which I thought was the intelligent response.

But if I just happened to be at home cleaning up some water damage and a couple of looters entered my house and tried to exit with my computer and my 65 in, high res, TV, .... could I legally shoot them while they are still inside?

(I think I might be searching for a way to shoot a thief .... without suffering remorse and legal consequences!)

[SF1900]

BETHERE, SF, Thanks for your decent answer which I thought was the intelligent response.

But if I just happened to be at home cleaning up some water damage and a couple of looters entered my house and tried to exit with my computer and my 65 in, high res, TV, .... could I legally shoot them while they are still inside?

(I think I might be searching for a way to shoot a thief .... without suffering remorse and legal consequences!)

There's a difference between someone looting your home and someone looting a grocery store. These people were looting stores. If you're driving by a CVS and you see people looting, you just can't open fire and kill 15 looters without legal repercussions.

If they enter your private home, the rules change (I'm assuming).

So, yeah, I think the laws change once they enter your private home.

[HTexan]

There's a difference between someone looting your home and someone looting a grocery store. These people were looting stores. If you're driving by a CVS and you see people looting, you just can't open fire and kill 15 looters without legal repercussions.

If they enter your private home, the rules change (I'm assuming).

So, yeah, I think the laws change once they enter your private home.

Well, legally if you shoot someone that in your home they can sue you for medical and pain and suffering. That is why people say you shoot to kill. IMO I have a few guns, but I couldn't and wouldn't kill anybody over material shit, I have insurance. Now if you going to trying and kill me or my family, that is of course a different story.

MY humble opinion on that matter, I believe people should have a right to have guns, besides anyone that is not a citizen, felons, or people with mental illness. I also believe having guns in schools and colleges is stupid. Open carry, for handguns, is really stupid too.

[Simple Simon]

Well, legally if you shoot someone that in your home they can sue you for medical and pain and suffering. That is why people say you shoot to kill. IMO I have a few guns, but I couldn't and wouldn't kill anybody over material shit, I have insurance. Now if you going to trying and kill me or my family, that is of course a different story.

MY humble opinion on that matter, I believe people should have a right to have guns, besides anyone that is not a citizen, felons, or people with mental illness. I also believe having guns in schools and colleges is stupid. Open carry, for handguns, is really stupid too.

thats esfitness excluded on two out of three counts.

[HTexan]

thats esfitness excluded on two out of three counts.

a lot of bbers would be,

[Thin Lizzy]

what irks me is anytime any calls for stricter background checks or the insane gun show loophole they're labeled as aiti gun

Considering that homicide rates among blacks are 10 times that of whites would you consider race a determining factor as part of the background check or do we keep the background checks politically correct?

https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/08/10/african-american-homicide-rate-nearly-quadruple-national-average-11680


The CDC confirms that, following an extended period of general decline, the overall homicide rate -- as well as the homicide rate within each racial group -- has increased from 2014 to 2015. In 2015, the homicide rates were (per 100,000 population):


20.9 for blacks (non-Hispanic)

4.9 for Hispanics

2.6 for whites (non-Hispanic)

5.7 for all races



Nearly 40 shot in Chicago over weekend as city nears 500 homicides - Chicago Tribune

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-39-wounded-6-fatally-in-weekend-shootings-20170911-story,amp.html

[rangerwil]

Ya know...the color of an offenders skin has no bearing on an attack.
Sure there are certain groups that appear to commit more violent crimes than others. But still...
Ill protect myself and loved ones with the same passion regardless of the color of the perp.
A crook is a crook.

[Thin Lizzy]

Ya know...the color of an offenders skin has no bearing on an attack.
Sure there are certain groups that appear to commit more violent crimes than others. But still...
Ill protect myself and loved ones with the same passion regardless of the color of the perp.
A crook is a crook.

"Appear"?

You're obviously afflicted with a mental illness called liberalism. It's especially virulent in gay men.



https://nolacrimenews.com/2016/06/14/the-demographics-of-murder-in-new-orleans/

The murder rate in New Orleans in 2015 was just about 40 per 100,000 residents. The national rate in 2014, the last year for which data is available, was 4.5 murders per 100,000 residents. Caracas, Venezuela is the murder capital of the world according to Wikipedia with a murder rate of 119.87 murders per 100,000 people. For segments of the African American community in New Orleans it is two to three times that bad.

[rangerwil]

oh boy...
again...an intruder is an intruder.

[Pray_4_War]

PRAY 4 WAR

Every day.

ad hominem attacks don't address the point....

I don't believe your post to be sincere nor do I believe you actually..."made a point", but I'll play along.

I am not the arbiter of who is and is not mentally ill.  Although it's an imperfect system, we have to rely on medical professionals and the courts for that.  There is a spectrum of mental illness and I don't belive it should all be treated the same.

PTSD and Paranoid Schitzophrenia are not the same yet are both forms of mental illness.  Limiting any person's constitutional rights is something that I don't take lightly and I think every benefit of the doubt should be afforded to a law abiding citizen.

If you don't like the ad hominem attacks then tough titties because there's more coming your way any minute now.

[chaos]

aj ran away from this one, lots of gung ho gun owners would lose their shit if they ever had to point one at someone...

Owning a gun means you have to shoot someone
Have you ever stared down the barrel into another mans eyes?

[Agnostic007]

The premise of those opposing gun ownership is false

[chaos]

what irks me is anytime any calls for stricter background checks or the insane gun show loophole they're labeled as aiti gun

How strict should a background check be? Already have to wait 10 days to "cool down" even though I might own several guns already. What gun show loophole are you talking about? Out here in CA it's illegal to sell a firearm without going through an FFL, so there is no gun show loophole, it's a bullshit scare tactic blown up by politicians, same with stricter background checks.

[calfzilla]

The premise of those opposing gun ownership is false

They are very obedient to their masters (the government).  

[Agnostic007]

I fucking hate felons but when you serve your time you serve your time.  If they are so fucking dangerous that the mere possession of a weapon will cause them to re-offend then why the fuck did you let them out?

Plus in the future, who knows what stupid shit will be considered a felony.  Criticizing mooslims?  Denying man made global warming?  Thought crimes?

I Know you didn't mean this to be taken seriously because you're a well documented nutcase, but I have to agree with you