Mandalay Bay Shooting - Las Vegas 10/02/17

[SuperTed]

Why in Gods name would this guy go to so much trouble to kill 50 people? Seems like he went about it the hard way. All he had to do was rent a large truck and drive it into a large crowd like the one that was shot at and he could have easily taken out 100 people and injured many more. There is no fucking way this guy did this. After all that has come out this whole thing reeks of gun control.

How much trouble was it for him? All he needed was guns and a hotel room. The majority of truck attacks in Europe have only killed a handful of people apart from the one in Nice. Besides, shooting things is more enjoyable then running things over.

[Parker]

I think it was an arms deal gone bad.  Nobody has 40 guns and thousands of rounds of ammo with them in one place unless they're doing business.  He was an informant for the FBI (hence the cameras in the room) maybe by choice or maybe by force.  The deal either was known to be bad from the buyers going in or went bad in the process.  The buyers (maybe some Muslim group) decided to turn the tables, killed the guy, smashed a few windows and opened fire to create a diversion/settle score/make political statement.  The FBI had prior knowledge.  The 60 minute time frame between end of shooting and cops coming in was for the FBI to grab the memory sticks from the cameras, arrange the body to look like a suicide, clean up their traces and hastily arrange "evidence".

This is why he had more guns and ammo in his trunk.  Probably to sweeten the deal if needed.  The shooting was clearing a military grade automatic regardless of what was "found" in the room".  The girl who warned people was a hooker that had been staying with him and either got out early or was told to leave.   The Philippines has been a center for American intelligence agencies to move drugs and guns for decades. The GF in the Philippines is that local contact.

That's where he made his real money, why he was always on the move and why he had two small planes.  Also explains why they can't pin a political/religious motive on this and "magically" none of the cameras in the room recorded the incident. 

Just my $0.02

He didn't have 40 guns in one place. 23 guns at the HOTEL. 19 guns removed from his HOME for a total of 42 guns.

[Thin Lizzy]

How much trouble was it for him? All he needed was guns and a hotel room. The majority of truck attacks in Europe have only killed a handful of people apart from the one in Nice. Besides, shooting things is more enjoyable then running things over.

Moreover, he was retired so he had plenty of time to do all this.

Conspiracy theorists want so desperately to turn this into a tale of international intrigue that they don’t want to recognize that this was a very simple operation easily doable by one person.

[cross-of-iron]

yet he still made his brothers and mother millionaires that allowed them to retire.

Can't fault the brilliant logic of a degenerate junky. Unfortunately for your father it's the other way around, still caring for his mentally ill son. You should be euthanized.

[cross-of-iron]

yet he still made his brothers and mother millionaires that allowed them to retire.

He gave money to ONE brother, Eric and his mother who is 90 had little contact with him.  He doesn't talk to his other brothers at all. He didn't give them millions, you're talking about something you obviously know nothing about as usual.

[Shizzo]

Major hotels will eventually get security like current airports have. And I fully agree with it. I don't necessarily blame The Mandalay Bay Hotel for it's complacency and security protocols, but I do believe that there now needs to be a change in major hotels, worldwide.

From now on, just like airports, you need to go through a metal detector and an X-Ray machine to check in.

Under these new security measures, there is no way a man would be able to smuggle 23 guns into a hotel.

It takes people dying for shit to change.

[Soul Crusher]

Major hotels will eventually get security like current airports have. And I fully agree with it. I don't necessarily blame The Mandalay Bay Hotel for it's complacency and security protocols, but I do believe that there now needs to be a change in major hotels, worldwide.

From now on, just like airports, you need to go through a metal detector and an X-Ray machine to check in.

Under these new security measures, there is no way a man would be able to smuggle 23 guns into a hotel.

It takes people dying for shit to change.

No one will be able to afford that or want to deal w the hastle

[Shizzo]

No one will be able to afford that or want to deal w the hastle

Afford what? This is the new cost of doing business. If privacy goes out of the window for the airports, it now needs to do the same for hotels.

Hotels should not harbor terrorists.

[Nails]

oh brother , metal detectors in Vegas casinos  


why not just put a check point on the I-15 , will probably be faster and cheaper, and just as stupid of an idea

[loco]

Major hotels will eventually get security like current airports have. And I fully agree with it.

Giving up more freedom in exchange for a false sense of "safety."

[Shizzo]

oh brother , medal detectors in Vegas casinos  


why not just put a check point on the I-15 , will probably be faster and cheaper and just as stupid of an idea

Put check points everywhere! Law abiding citizens have no worries. Only criminals worry about shit like this.

[Shizzo]

Giving up more freedom in exchange for a false sense of "safety."

This particular incident could have been avoided.

[Soul Crusher]

Afford what? This is the new cost of doing business. If privacy goes out of the window for the airports, it now needs to do the same for hotels.

Hotels should not harbor terrorists.

Have you stayed at a hotel in recent years? 

[Shizzo]

Have you stayed at a hotel in recent years? 

What does that mean? Hotels have 10% of the traffic, of major airports. Would you sacrifice an extra 20 minutes, to save lives?

[Soul Crusher]

What does that mean? Hotels have 10% of the traffic, of major airports. Would you sacrifice an extra 20 minutes, to save lives?

So does this apply to your run of the mill Marriot Residence Inn in podunk Florida or just Hotels you think pose a threat? 

The local Days Inn can't afford this .

[Shizzo]

So does this apply to your run of the mill Marriot Residence Inn in podunk Florida or just Hotels you think pose a threat? 

The local Days Inn can't afford this .

It applies to all major hotels, in all major cities.

Terrorists don't make national news in "podunk anywhere".

[WalterWhite]

Exactly.


-john

[Primemuscle]

Not necessarily. After mass shootings, when family members are interviewed, they have often (not always) give some indication about the shooters life--depressed, past suicidal attempts, etc. Something that may give some indication about a motive or not. This guy seemed totally oblivious. I wonder how often he talked with his brother.

I wondered this too about his brother. It sometimes appears that folks including family and friends will say anything that provides them 15 minutes of fame.

It is natural for folks to want to make sense of horrible acts of violence. Chances are, we'll never really know what caused Stephen Paddock to break. We're still guessing what made other serial killers tick, folks like Ted Bundy and Timothy McVeigh.

[dj181]

It is funny how several pages back myself as one of a few called bullshit on what was being reported by all media, the feds the local cops etc and was called out on it yet now this is exactly what is going on

Now people can understand why I dont take any of this bullshit at face value

sure thing BoooooooZooooooo

theres you 😂

[Eric2]

Major hotels will eventually get security like current airports have. And I fully agree with it. I don't necessarily blame The Mandalay Bay Hotel for it's complacency and security protocols, but I do believe that there now needs to be a change in major hotels, worldwide.

From now on, just like airports, you need to go through a metal detector and an X-Ray machine to check in.

Under these new security measures, there is no way a man would be able to smuggle 23 guns into a hotel.

It takes people dying for shit to change.

This would kill Vegas. Each of the main casinos thrive on the many tens of thousands of people whom walk in and out of the casinos each day. Three to four main entrances , security on these at airport levels would turn away most if not all but the ones needing to get to their rooms.  Plus can you imagine screening tens of thousands of drunk people with booze in their hands?

[LittleJ]

The reason he shot all those people rhymes with bright.

[rangerwil]

Conspiracy theorists want so desperately to turn this into a tale of international intrigue that they don’t want to recognize that this was a very simple operation easily doable by one person.

Where's your p r o o f?
Prove he acted alone and had no aid in some way shape or form.
Go ahead...

[cross-of-iron]

A reporter starts asking the Sheriff about the car, someone coughs, then someone says "Don't go there"  to the Sheriff. Look at the FBI agent's face as he thinks the Sheriff is about to answer the question. But then the Sheriff goes on to just give a non-answer.

[cross-of-iron]

The reason he shot all those people rhymes with bright.

[titusisback]

From now on, just like airports, you need to go through a metal detector and an X-Ray machine to check in.

Not sure if that's going to happen (too much inconvenience for guests) and if it does, is it really going to make any difference. You could do the same thing from any high rise condo with a view to a concert venue. Just get a room from Airbnb. Check Grant park in Chicago. A ton of condos face that way and the killer considered targeting Lollapalooza.

I think the biggest problem with shit like this is that it inspires sick minds to do similar stuff and try to "break the record". Internet has made it possible for anyone to become famous overnight. In this case for wrong reasons obviously. But if you're mentally ill or have just decided that your life is boring and there's no reason to live and you're a psycho, then we will be seeing this more and more in the future. Nothing's really changed from 50 years ago except instant fame. High rises have been there, automatic weapons have been there etc. I bet right now there are many many sick people there thinking how this number of 58 people dead can be beat. More and more attacks will target large events where there's a sea of people unable to look for cover quickly.