South Africa's top diplomat slams Trump tweet as 'right-wing ideology'

[Conker]

Their general view of the world is as follows:

Hold “Oppressor” groups (white males) to impossible standards and hold everyone else to no standards at all.

that is completely the reverse of what's happened in SA. whites came to SA, enslaved africans, pushed a 90% majority population onto less than 10% of their own land, refused them voting rights, murdered dissenters at will and that's just scratching the surface of the evil committed.

since blacks have democratically taken control of the country they have (in general) held themselves to immeasurably higher standards than during white rule. whites can still vote, the majority of white owned assets have not been confiscated(even though mostly gained by exploiting africans and their natural resources), there are no laws restricting freedom of movement. all of these rights were not afforded to blacks during white rule.

and then you have whingy afrikaner fk boys like griffin whining on about how badly whites have it in post apartheid SA. instead of being rightly grateful to the black population for treating them a million times better than when roles were reversed.

[DooM_]

plonker is a muslim white hating paki

[obsidian]

that is completely the reverse of what's happened in SA. whites came to SA, enslaved africans, pushed a 90% majority population onto less than 10% of their own land, refused them voting rights, murdered dissenters at will and that's just scratching the surface of the evil committed.

since blacks have democratically taken control of the country they have (in general) held themselves to immeasurably higher standards than during white rule. whites can still vote, the majority of white owned assets have not been confiscated(even though mostly gained by exploiting africans and their natural resources), there are no laws restricting freedom of movement. all of these rights were not afforded to blacks during white rule.

and then you have whingy afrikaner fk boys like griffin whining on about how badly whites have it in post apartheid SA. instead of being rightly grateful to the black population for treating them a million times better than when roles were reversed.

BS. Fake news. What whites really should do is start oppressing blacks. Who ever told you life was supposed to be fair? Since when should whites really care what blacks think? Whites should just take what is rightfully theirs. This planet belongs to whites and it ain't big enough for everyone. There is also not enough oxygen for everyone so I suggest you kill yourself so more worthy organisms can benefit from the oxygen you are stealing on a daily basis.

You are useless cucker. It offends me that scum like you are even allowed on UK's soil.You don't belong there you fucking mongrel.

[Thin Lizzy]

How did Whites treat blacks any worse than the blacks who sold their own people down the river into slavery?

And in the United States, white on black crime is virtually nonexistent. It’s blacks who do the overwhelming majority of the killing of other blacks.

Leftists pretend that this inconvenient truth does not exist.

[chrisbro]

plonker is a muslim white hating paki

A Paki is the worst form of filth to be . Bet he wipes his ass with his Hand.

[MorganSA]

Land reform is a fine idea, despite having no validity in terms of international law. Here is my take, and it will be repeated, to my extreme detriment:

Have the land. Take it. But just hang on, as I need to dump 5 million tons of super liquid concrete down this mine, flatten this farm, and I wish, dynamite this road and city.

It would be a totally fair trade, if the aim was to return to the original nguni tradition of moving through Africa following cows. It's not. Everyone will trade any land for a nice looking car, watch. Claiming African traditional ancestral rights, that were lost to the British in a recognized war treaty, to inherit white monopolistic capitalist constructs for oneself, never mind the tribes, in not what Mr Mandela had in mind.

[Irongrip400]

my oh my , multiple fagg0ts melting down harder than an icepop in the sahara in this thread


the truth will set you free fagg0ts  

Projecting much, are there things?

Also, to the folks calling him a Paki.  He has stated numerous times he is Afro-Carib.  He just hates white people is why you may mistake him for a Western White hating moslem.

[Thin Lizzy]

Projecting much, are there things?

Also, to the folks calling him a Paki.  He has stated numerous times he is Afro-Carib.  He just hates white people is why you may mistake him for a Western White hating moslem.

He just can’t handle that white culture is more advanced and more civilized than the culture of his ancestors. Of course he’ll come back with some nonsense about how whites killed more people than blacks. The only reason for that is because whites are more industrious, creative and inventive, and produced better weapons. It’s a lot easier to kill someone with a bomber or a tank than with a rock or a spear.

Bottom line: Africa is a shit hole and if whites were to leave to the point where there wasn’t a single one left there, Africa would stagnate and be an even bigger shit hole until eternity.

[DooM_]

Projecting much, are there things?

Also, to the folks calling him a Paki.  He has stated numerous times he is Afro-Carib.  He just hates white people is why you may mistake him for a Western White hating moslem.

 ' afro carib ' that explains everything . . .

[mac33]

Conker, I really recommend you to watch this video because it has some history facts in the beginning as well:

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Seeing white people as "oppressors" is a very convenient excuse for stealing, murdering and in the end running the SA to its knees economically and morally.


So called "black history" in SA region is very bloody in reality...

[Griffith]

South Africa now in a recession.

Agriculture down - 30 %, which was cited by economists as the main reason.

[MorganSA]

Yeah, unfortunately those figures are pretty true, especially the agriculture ones. Certain veg is already scarce. Just the start

[Griffith]

And according to the Financial Times, at least half of the currency loss of 19 % to the US dollar this year has been from the land expropriation 'debate'.

So that will also increase prices of food and everything else.

[The Scott]

If you're too stupid to grow your own food, you will never grow your own economy.  SA needs to grow the fuck up.  But they won't.  Too bad Wakanda won't loan them some technology...

[Griffith]

If you're too stupid to grow your own food, you will never grow your own economy.  SA needs to grow the fuck up.  But they won't.  Too bad Wakanda won't loan them some technology...

The decline in agriculture is partly because of a drought in a region of the country, but also due to many farmers deciding not to plant crops as they don't want to risk investing in land and produce which could be taken away. Many would also have to take a loan for the next season's crops, so they see it as too risky.

The same is also happening to businesses, many are opting not to reinvest their funds into the business but rather holding on to the cash.

[The Scott]

The decline in agriculture is partly because of a drought in a region of the country, but also due to many farmers deciding not to plant crops as they don't want to risk investing in land and produce which could be taken away. Many would also have to take a loan for the next season's crops, so they see it as too risky.

The same is also happening to businesses, many are opting not to reinvest their funds into the business but rather holding on to the cash.

I cannot fault them that.  I did read that some SA farmers have asked to immigrate to Russia and are willing to par for farmland.  If so, who can blame them? 

[Griffith]

I cannot fault them that.  I did read that some SA farmers have asked to immigrate to Russia and are willing to par for farmland.  If so, who can blame them?  

Already 15 000 farmers are apparently planning to go to Russia, though they would have to lease the land.

There are now only 35 000 commercial farmers in SA from 120 000 in 1994.

The government also already owns almost 4500 farms, which they have not given to anyone and which lie undeveloped or no longer producing crops. They are also the biggest owners of land.

This is all just a smokescreen to win elections and hold on to political power.

[The Scott]

Already 15 000 farmers are apparently planning to go to Russia, though they would have to lease the land.

There are now only 35 000 commercial farmers in SA from 120 000 in 1994.

The government also already owns almost 4500 farms, which they have not given to anyone and which lie undeveloped or no longer producing crops. They are also the biggest owners of land.

This is all just a smokescreen to win elections and hold on to political power.

Sounds like Democraps from the USA have helped to take over SA and return it to poverty.  I feel bad for those of any skin color that worked hard to make their lands better only to have them destroyed in the name of artificial fairness.  I also hope the farmers leave and do well in Russia.

[Conker]

South Africa now in a recession.

Agriculture down - 30 %, which was cited by economists as the main reason.

you are full of sh1t my dear griffin. firstly, agriculture makes up only a tiny fraction of the SA economy, less than 3%. so "economists" saying this is the "main reason" for recession are as moronic as yourself.

"The importance of the agricultural sector in the South African economy is often stressed by farmers and agricultural industry organisations. The reality, however, is that the sector has constituted less than 3% of the economy since 2005 (DAS, 2012)."
https://agbiz.co.za/uploads/documents/careers/13_04-thesis_jan_c_greyling_published.pdf

secondly, white farm murders are at their lowest level since the end of apartheid.

"Murders of farmers in South Africa at 20-year low, research shows
Forty-seven farmers reportedly killed in 2017-18, consistent with decline since peak in 1998 when 153 died"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/27/murders-of-farmers-in-south-africa-at-20-year-low-research-shows

and thirdly SA agriculture has been doing very well in recent times. GDP from agriculture reached it's highest level ever in the last quarter of 2017. the recent downward fluctuation has been due to drought. another common occupational hazard for african farmers.

"GDP From Agriculture in South Africa averaged 59144.96 ZAR Million from 1993 until 2018, reaching an all time high of 84820.92 ZAR Million in the fourth quarter of 2017 and a record low of 33530.55 ZAR Million in the first quarter of 1993."
https://tradingeconomics.com/south-africa/gdp-from-agriculture

please let me know if you have any more BS that needs correcting.

[mac33]

You do realize that there is a total media blackout and manipulation on the subject of murders of whites in SA? And going by the statistic of government that pushes the agenda of white persecution on a daily basis is pretty moronic.

It is like trusting Venezuela government with its reports and China regarding human rights, freedom of speech, belief,...


SA is a total shithole because it is run by incomopetent, corrupt and immoral people supported by masses of quite primitive people.

But facts are racist nowadays because we don`t need science and economic statistics but feelings...

[mac33]

And regarding agriculture sustainability of SA, if you lose majority of only people capable of providing food for your country, it doesn't end well.

https://www.rt.com/business/432375-russia-south-africa-farmers/

I guess farmers leaving is just a myth and that some western countries have denied them as refugees is because there is no bias toward whites.

There is nothing to emulate in SA that can be implemented in the west unless you want to get rid of the west itself...

[Conker]

firstly, the figs i quoted for farm murders are not from the government. they are figs from a collective of SA agriculture organisations, which happen to be predominantly white, as whites make up the majority of the agriculture sector.

there is no media blackout. the ANC have announced a policy that allows them to remove white farmers from stolen land without compensation (trump style nationalism). western media has tried to spin and sentationalise this into a story saying this has led to a surge in farm murders. in reality that's not the case. this issue now is getting more western media coverage now than when farm murders were at much higher levels. there's just little interest in the west.

btw the biggest earning SA agricultural products are luxury items like citrus, wine and grapes and these are generally exported. the staples like rice, corn and wheat etc are mainly imported. and as highlighted in my previous post agriculture makes up less than 3% of total gdp anyway. so even if every last white farmer should decide to up and leave, SA will be just fine.

and why should white SA farmers be offered refugee status? they are living on stolen land, they can move anywhere else in SA and they will be under no threat of persecution or physical harm. so they are not genuine asylum seekers.

[mac33]

Wow, stolen land... big news, blacks in SA are there because of stolen land and murders of previous blacks.

Second, nationalization is a domain of communism and socialism as seen currently in Venezuela but was done in Cuba, China, North Korea, all European countries after ww2 that succumbed to communist rule and the list goes on. I really don`t know where in your imagination you found Trumps administration being communist. SA government is just that as was the murderer Mandela, a person who should never be left from prison let alone in charge of a country.

Whites are being murdered, government supports that, farmers are moving out and there is a hush hush policy about it. If the whites didn`t own the land as by your logic then nationalization wouldn`t be needed because they can not own the stolen property.

I have talked with people from SA telling me from first hand experience while you bring guardian as source of murder statistics.

Fact remains, only reason why SA was ever on world map was because westerners were in charge of it for a while.

[Conker]

nationalistic populism, this is what the ANC new land reform policy is about ...a leaf from trump's book.

at the birth of democracy in SA the ANC promised to return 30% of stolen white farmland back into black hands within 10 years...after nearly 25 years only 10% has been returned. that's the reason for this policy...electioneering. the ANC have been far too lax with redistributing stolen white land than the general population would like.

so if you think it was OK for whites to steal land from blacks because as you say they stole it from other blacks anyway...it sounds like you believe in the law of the jungle(?) so why do have a problem with blacks "stealing" back land from whites now?  ethnocentric hypocrisy much

also it's not guardian figures on farm murders its figs from a predominantly white farming collective. the guardian just reported those figures.

[chrisbro]

nationalistic populism, this is what the ANC new land reform policy is about ...a leaf from trump's book.

at the birth of democracy in SA the ANC promised to return 30% of stolen white farmland back into black hands within 10 years...after nearly 25 years only 10% has been returned. that's the reason for this policy...electioneering. the ANC have been far too lax with redistributing stolen white land than the general population would like.

so if you think it was OK for whites to steal land from blacks because as you say they stole it from other blacks anyway...it sounds like you believe in the law of the jungle(?) so why do have a problem with blacks "stealing" back land from whites now?  ethnocentric hypocrisy much

also it's not guardian figures on farm murders its figs from a predominantly white farming collective. the guardian just reported those figures.

fuck off you Turd.