Gym Etiquette - Was I Wrong Here?

[Matt]

In 1950-1 Reg Park wanted to be the strongest man ever and also have the best physique. He soon learned that he couldn't be both so selected bodybuilding. Matt wants to do well at strongman events. Okay, then do that. However, it is a pipedream to want to get bigger without bulking up. You don't need chemical assistance. You must eat substantially more. You have this goal of lifting heavy weights for so many reps instead of trying to get bigger. From looking at your physique you have well developed shoulders. What often happens with some bodybuilders is that dominant muscles are used for most of the exercises say for upper body. Thus, arms and other parts will not get stimulated enough to grow. Barbells might not isolate the target muscles sufficiently or effectively so you have to use machines to do that. The goal when training each muscle is to get that muscle sore the next day...if possible. Well, if you can get them sore they will and should grow as long as you eat enough and rest sufficiently. Try bodybuilding for a few months and forget about doing less that 10 reps on anything. Work up to your max for 10 reps then do 5 sets with that weight. That should stimulate growth if the exercise is effective. All that cheating is not going to work for guys like you. Forget trying to impress others in the gym or on the internet. Believe you can get your arms an inch bigger, then when you have succeeded you will believe more size is possible. Don't accept that your other body parts can't grow. It is your goals, training style, tools and protocols that are limiting you. Arthur Jones said to forget about demonstrating your strength.

Very true, Vince - you cannot have both!

But as the plandemic joke rules for contests are still in place, and since I'm still not at my strongest, I think I'll just take the contest season off, and compete in 2023.

By then, I should be at my max strength again, if not even a little bit stronger.

And I won't have to worry about making weight = 80kg / 176.3-lb, but they give you a 3-lb weight allowance for clothes, so I can weigh 179. It's a 2-hour weigh-in.

[Matt]

And yes...I need to eat more.

I think I'll start at 1,800 calories [200g protein, 150g carbs, 45g fats] to start, then go from there.

I consistently eat 1,200 calories a day, if not less. My doctor told me to eat more to reverse my slow thyroid.

I'd be curious to see how this turns out. If the gear is good quality, and my nutrition is on point - I'm quite confident that the outcome will be good! 

[Matt]

This was my LAST cycle ever:

December 2016: 12.5mg Anadrol daily for 21 days.

My body weight stayed at 170, as I didn't eat more for this cycle [because it was just a wimpy oral cycle]. But this is exactly how I wish I could look all the time - but whenever I cut body fat, I lose proportionally too much muscle.

I don't want to gain a massive amount of weight - I just want to be a little fuller and harder, while being roughly the same size.

This 170 is much better than my normal 170 - again, just a little fuller and harder, yet I find it hard to do this...meanwhile, this was the result of 5x 50mg Anadrol pills [half a pill every SECOND DAY, for three weeks only].

I think anyone saying PED's are just the finishing touch are full of it.

I hate that the look I want is EASILY attainable on gear, yet nearly impossible for me to attain off MINIMAL gear.

If I do this, it will just be a one and done thing [at least for a few years]. I just want a good few months of looking like I train as hard and as consistently as I do.

[MCWAY]

This should fix your gym etiquiquette issues (11:10)

This was my LAST cycle ever:

December 2016: 12.5mg Anadrol daily for 21 days.

My body weight stayed at 170, as I didn't eat more for this cycle [because it was just a wimpy oral cycle]. But this is exactly how I wish I could look all the time - but whenever I cut body fat, I lose proportionally too much muscle.

I don't want to gain a massive amount of weight - I just want to be a little fuller and harder, while being roughly the same size.

Don't worry; YOU WON'T!!

This 170 is much better than my normal 170 - again, just a little fuller and harder, yet I find it hard to do this...meanwhile, this was the result of 5x 50mg Anadrol pills [half a pill every SECOND DAY, for three weeks only].

I think anyone saying PED's are just the finishing touch are full of it.

I hate that the look I want is EASILY attainable on gear, yet nearly impossible for me to attain off MINIMAL gear.

If I do this, it will just be a one and done thing [at least for a few years]. I just want a good few months of looking like I train as hard and as consistently as I do.

I don't care what you take, you ain't growing on 1800 calories. And you don't need steroids to achieve the look you want, either.

Why risk your health unnecessarily? If you're losing too much muscle, it has little to do with the presence or absence of drugs. You're not losing weight gradually. You dropped your calories too low and/or too quickly and gave yourself too little time to lose body fat.

I know from personal experience. When I did that, I not only got smaller and weaker; but I ended up with a HIGHER percentage of bodyfat. Take your time and make high-protein, high nutrient foods your top priority. You'll get it right and be a lot healthier for it.

[Matt]

This should fix your gym etiquiquette issues (11:10)

Don't worry; YOU WON'T!!

I don't care what you take, you ain't growing on 1800 calories. And you don't need steroids to achieve the look you want, either.

Why risk your health unnecessarily? If you're losing too much muscle, it has little to do with the presence or absence of drugs. You're not losing weight gradually. You dropped your calories too low and/or too quickly and gave yourself too little time to lose body fat.

I know from personal experience. When I did that, I not only got smaller and weaker; but I ended up with a HIGHER percentage of bodyfat. Take your time and make high-protein, high nutrient foods your top priority. You'll get it right and be a lot healthier for it.

Define "growing"?

I would like to be a little fuller and harder, and I have WAY TOO MUCH EXPERIENCE drug-free to know that natural bodybuilding GOES NOWHERE.

Frank Zane is my height and he was 185-lb while on a boatload of gear.

My goal would just be for my training to be more productive.

And I will make improvements on 1,800 calories daily. But whether I'm at 1,800 or 3,600 daily, I will tell you this for free:

I could follow that exact diet for three months, and get bigger - FATTER - and much stronger, but I would rather make my time in the gym + my calories produce a better outcome.

I'd be doing what I am already doing - just adding PEDs and increasing calories.

What I would like is a STEROID look - not to necessarily be much bigger in terms of body weight, but to be harder and fuller, which I will be.

If I train all summer, even on increased calories, it won't be a look that will wow me - I'll just go back to 200-lb again with a 35" waist as seen in my 200-lb natural photo above.

I want to gain LEAN MUSCLE - I'd rather gain 5-lb of actual muscle than do it naturally, and gain that same 5-lb in addition to more body fat.

Why does ANYONE use PED's, MCWAY?

Lol @ gaining muscle naturally. Utter nonsense.

How big is the top 5'10" natural bodybuilder? Even 180-lb?

I have NO INTEREST in eating 4-6K calories daily and bulk to 220 or something. I just want to increase calories and protein, and take PED's, and look better than I ever have.

Which - I will guarantee you - I will look better than I ever have. Even if in the end, I'm 185-lb.

Although given my thyroid is slow, maybe it's time to stop being 175, and walk around at 190.

I'm just looking to go on a cycle, and with the much faster and more efficient results, be motivated to eat the protein required for gains.

If I like it - and if my health tests are good, I would be willing to consider ramping up my daily caloric intake, and give up my obsession with being in the 170's. I don't eat more because I don't want to compromise my health. And because I compete at u-80kg.

I just want the boost in progress.

I feel I am owed a good cycle - I've also talked about it a lot, and I'd like to do it.

[Matt]

Why risk your health unnecessarily?

I've asked myself that for YEARS, MCWAY.

And that's why I'm finally doing this. I'm willing to take the health risks associated with a beginner/intermediate PED stack in order to look better, and feel better about myself.

I want to feel alive again - doing this might snap me out of the bummer phase I've been in for years now.

I don't think one cycle would massively throw off my health.

I wouldn't be doing a cutting cycle, as I think that would be riskier to health in general.

Just a standard lean mass bulking cycle.

[Gym-Rat]

The owner of one of the most hardcore gyms in New England DOESNOT take kindly...

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lightningfitness860
Pretty sad I have to post this since all of you have read this in the rules when you signed up. There will now be a fine if you put your drink, or weights on a bench. I'm tired of having to remind you all. I don't care what other gyms do. You want to train here then you follow the rules. Also put a fucking crash mat down if you have to drop dumbbells. If you bend a dumbbell you will buy me a new one. There's literally a sign in front of your face

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[Matt]

The owner of one of the most hardcore gyms in New England DOESNOT take kindly...

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lightningfitness860
Pretty sad I have to post this since all of you have read this in the rules when you signed up. There will now be a fine if you put your drink, or weights on a bench. I'm tired of having to remind you all. I don't care what other gyms do. You want to train here then you follow the rules. Also put a fucking crash mat down if you have to drop dumbbells. If you bend a dumbbell you will buy me a new one. There's literally a sign in front of your face

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I was wondering about drinks. I had a Rockstar Energy drink with me for my last workout, and I am very cautious with where I place my things - especially open drinks when I occasionally have them. I guess they must have enough people spilling drinks that this is a problem for them.

[Matt]

B. Hank:

What makes you think I won't be able to get the 120's for reps with clean form?

Here is a pic of me doing seated dumbbell presses with 100-lb dumbbells:

[bhank]

B. Hank:

What makes you think I don't be able to get the 120's for reps with clean form?

Here is a pic of me doing seated dumbbell presses with 100-lb dumbbells:

Because you have no idea what clean form means

[Matt]

Because you have no idea what clean form means

B. Hank,

IMO, if you consider the number of reps I do, it stands to reason that I would still be able to do reps with clean form, even if I end up getting fewer of them.

I will reach 8-12 clean reps with the 120-lb dumbbells within one month, without any supplements or PEDs.

I am basically certain I will be able to get the 120's for 15+ reps on PED's.

But eight clean ones in a month with no such assistance - no problem.

I'm just glad that I get to make gains in strength from workout to workout now thanks to muscle memory. I have a ways to go before I get back all my pre-pandemic strength, and will hopefully break new ground after that - especially with chemical assistance.

I admit, my form sucks - but that was the first time I touched the 120-lb dumbbells in over two years.

Even by next workout [next week], I'll be able to get the 110's for eight clean reps. The 120's will only be a hop, skip, and a jump from there.

[Matt]

Because you have no idea what clean form means

My max bench press ever was 315x8 at 190-lb, and 315x6 at 170-lb.

My max contest bench was 320-lb at 170.

[wes]

Because you have no idea what clean form means

And you have no idea of the meaning of training hard,intense,and heavy which is a relative term for an all out effort for any amount of a rep goal you may have in your peanut sized brain................... .....WEAKLING.

[Matt]

And you have no idea of the meaning of training hard,intense,and heavy which is a relative term for an all out effort for any amount of a rep goal you may have in your peanut sized brain................... .....WEAKLING.

wes,

I think B. Hank is mad at me because on Instagram, I said his girlfriend looks good. Looks sexy.

[wes]

wes,

I think B. Hank is mad at me because on Instagram, I said his girlfriend looks good. Looks sexy.

Matt that may well be it, but it`s more likely that he`s just a jealous asshole who thinks he`s better than anyone on the planet that ever worked out but........... EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY......I believe him to be jealous of you because you can bench far more than he can even half squat.

He`s the last person here that should be dispensing training advice at all, especially when it comes to training heavy since his pink dumbells are simply tools to require the end result which in his case is to look like hammered shit but to stay lean eating Happy Meals,soda,pizza, and cookies as the staples of his "diet" along with copious amounts of Growth Hormone a steady half gram of Test all year long,anavar,and MDMA just to relax his empty headed narcissitic mind and who knows what he`s taking that he hasn`t admitted to yet?

He`s destined to someday be a huge bodybuilding star following this strict, rigid,and demanding regimen......what an inspiration he is, and the board should be extremely grateful to have someone of his caliber among us mere peons......I know I am.

[bhank]

wes,

I think B. Hank is mad at me because on Instagram, I said his girlfriend looks good. Looks sexy.

Not mad at anything actually trying to help your retarded ass. Weights are tools to train your muscles not goals. You look like you are humping the sky on your 25 rep bench yes I have done 25 reps with 225 fuck no I didn't hump the sky while doing it. And the fuck are you in spandex shorts for??? Also just tired of you ranting against PEDS then planning to use PEDS then being a pussy and ranting against them again. Just fucking do it already or shut up about it you have admitted to half a dozen cycles then want to claim natural and rant against PEDS then rant about how great you will be when you get back on them it's insane either do it or don't stop fucking asking X GIRLFRIENDS if they will take you back when you start like a loon. Stop thinking you are going to be the worlds strongest 170lb man while simultaneously  getting to 200lbs on PEDS then showing pics from a decade ago and ranting about PEDS again. Live today do it today or don't

[wes]

Not mad at anything actually trying to help your retarded ass. Weights are tools to train your muscles not goals. You look like you are humping the sky on your 25 rep bench yes I have done 25 reps with 225 fuck no I didn't hump the sky while doing it. And the fuck are you in spandex shorts for??? Also just tired of you ranting against PEDS then planning to use PEDS then being a pussy and ranting against them again. Just fucking do it already or shut up about it you have admitted to half a dozen cycles then want to claim natural and rant against PEDS then rant about how great you will be when you get back on them it's insane either do it or don't stop fucking asking X GIRLFRIENDS if they will take you back when you start like a loon. Stop thinking you are going to be the worlds strongest 170lb man while simultaneously  getting to 200lbs on PEDS then showing pics from a decade ago and ranting about PEDS again. Live today do it today or don't

He benched 225 for 25 pretty damn good reps while you cant even squat that for ten reps below paralell.

Here`s one for you Brian....I did 20 rep squats all below paralell with 225,immediately followed by my first time ever doing one complete ass to the grass rep with 315 all at a bodyweight of under a buck and a half back in the late 70`s.

You should not be giving advige to one of the strongest men in his weight class in the entire city of Thunder Bay Canada when you cannot even come close to doing what I did eons ago on the squat with just some knee wraps, a four inch wide belt, and some chalk.....and my leg were like sticks but I was a strong little bastard and always had the strongest bench in my class when I was a powerlifter with a legit two second pause at the chest or longer....you cant even do this TODAY at a supposed yet fabricated weight of  two thirty.

So you see my little yellow friend taking bodyweight in this case doesn`t even come into consideration when normally I would say it always should.

Try doing some of Mattys tire flips billy bad ass.......it would be laughable.

Stick to the "tools" of your trade aka the pink dumbells and leave the heavy weights to real men.

TRAIN HARD.....yeah right.  LOL 

[bhank]

He benched 225 for 25 pretty damn good reps while you cant even squat that for ten reps below paralell.

Here`s one for you Brian....I did 20 rep squats all below paralell with 225,immediately followed by my first time ever doing one complete ass to the grass rep with 315 all at a bodyweight if under a buck and a half back in the late 70`s.

You should not be giving advige to one of the strongest men in his weight class in the entire city of Thunder Bay Canada when you cannot even come close to doing what I did eons ago on the squat with just some knee wraps, a four inch wide belt, and some chalk.....and my leg were like sticks but I was a string little bastard and always had the strongest bench in my class when I was a powerlifter with a legit two second pause at the chest or longer....you cant even do this TODAY[/b} at a supposed yet fabricated weight of  two thirty.

So you see my little yellow friend taking bodyweight in this case doesn`t even come into consideration when normally I would say it always should.

Try doing some of Mattys tire flips billy bad ass.......it would be laughable.

Stick to the "tools" of your trade aka the pink dumbells and leave the heavy weights to real men.

TRAIN HARD.....yeah right.  LOL 

Is this humor? This sounds like humor. Dude is eating 1800 calories a day to stay at 170lbs his damn thyroid is shutting down to offset his starvation diet and he is ego lifting while starving himself wondering why he can't build mass or get leaner. Getbig Idiots approve and praise this behavior. Also 216.4lbs this am not 230 yet and no desire to ever flip any tires

[Gym-Rat]

Mentally unstable ^^

[Grape Ape]

You've never done a cycle just to look better / feel better, Grape?

Honestly, I was in a pit of despair throughout the plandemic joke with the gyms closed, and I've been going 4-5-6 days a week since being legally allowed back.

My lifts are all coming up, though have not matched my previous bests yet [bench = 285, and I have benched 345 before, and 320 in contest, and I can usually bench 325 for 2-4].

But each workout, I'm adding to those lifts, with no plateaus left.

I wanted to get all my strength back and THEN add juice, but...I just want to look good for the summer, and forget about the past miserable two years.

You don't see any value in running a cycle, Grape?

Never ran a cycle.

Not anti steroid at all if people want to do it.  If my T levels were low, I'd consider TRT.

But for someone your age to do a potent cycle of a hardcore steroid for local contest is just idiocy in my opinion.  You'll get strong, then lose it, and forever be chasing that time you were on drugs, which will lead to you doing it again.

Also, your brain on drugs that cause aggression and shit might not be the best combo.

[wes]

Is this humor? This sounds like humor. Dude is eating 1800 calories a day to stay at 170lbs his damn thyroid is shutting down to offset his starvation diet and he is ego lifting while starving himself wondering why he can't build mass or get leaner. Getbig Idiots approve and praise this behavior. Also 216.4lbs this am not 230 yet and no desire to ever flip any tires

You have no desire at all....that`s your problem.

Who cares what you weigh when you look like re-fried dog shit?

[webstar]

Is this humor? This sounds like humor. Dude is eating 1800 calories a day to stay at 170lbs his damn thyroid is shutting down to offset his starvation diet and he is ego lifting while starving himself wondering why he can't build mass or get leaner. Getbig Idiots approve and praise this behavior. Also 216.4lbs this am not 230 yet and no desire to ever flip any tires

i thought you got off social media?


https://www.instagram.com/bhank103

[chaos]

Because you have no idea what clean form means

This from a guy that claims his 3/4 rep squats are clean. 
I'm convinced you're just a cunt at this point in time.

[wes]

Not mad at anything actually trying to help you.

BITCH STOP LYING....YOU MADE THIS THREAD SO IT WOULD END UP BEING ALL ABOUT YOU PER USUAL ATTACKING A GUY WHO NEVER SAID BOO TO YOU.

You`re the TOOL not the weights.

[wes]

This from a guy that claims his 3/4 rep squats are clean. 
I'm convinced you're just a cunt at this point in time.

It took you this long to figure that out bro....you`re slipping in your old age unlike myself who just so happens to be in my prime.