NO BULLSHIT TRAINING THREAD..........JUST TRAINING !

[BigRo]

Ro has a legit xframe

Thanks, that's my casual bodybuilding look, let's see how it looks in 2-3 weeks.

[BigRo]

Hahaha

They are RIPPED and DETAILED but that's bout it

Is it recent? The quads are barely ok but the hamstring and calf mass is boring nonexistent. How much more appealing for girls to see a well balanced body but your more obsessed with a bench comp you can't afford to travel to.

Gym here was full of beautiful Ukrainian girls last night admiring my glutes.

[dj181]

Is it recent? The quads are barely ok but the hamstring and calf mass is boring nonexistent. How much more appealing for girls to see a well balanced body but your more obsessed with a bench comp you can't afford to travel to.

Gym here was full of beautiful Ukrainian girls last night admiring my glutes.

Just last week

I've never done a calf raise in my life

I'm up to 157 can only afford to gain 3-4 more pounds

[Hulkotron]

On a business trip, making it a "rest week".

[BigRo]

Just last week

I've never done a calf raise in my life

I'm up to 157 can only afford to gain 3-4 more pounds

Skinny calves is not a good look on a guy.

[Van_Bilderass]

Just last week

I've never done a calf raise in my life

I'm up to 157 can only afford to gain 3-4 more pounds

You can't gain pounds of calf tissue, 30 grams would be an insane success. I have tried, basically only way is to gain overall bodyweight. I always train calves very hard, just because, nothing much ever happens, just some more veins, slightly more 'pop' at best. Muscle gain is also dependent on calorie intake, which is why I say you should train legs and back hard just for the neural strength, which even helps bench. I mean you do say your size genetics suck anyway, at 56 your best hope is maintaining some muscle, as Pellius said, he just hoped to stave off age related sarcopenia, otoh he may have had some serious health issues, in fact I know he did as he told me about it, but in general size doesn't just appear out of nowhere at 56 especially without added calories. Take clen if you are worried about weight gain so you can eat more red meat and strength foods. Eat pork chops and don't trim the fat cap. Mongolian wrestlers like sheep's tail fat for strength. Eddie Hall claimed he ordered an extra pound of meat fat with his meal the night before his deadlift.

 

[BigRo]

What is your calve training frequency and how do you train them, do you get a good mind muscle connection?

[tatoo]

arm day... movements i seldom do.

reverse grip pulldown "mentzer style" ... 3 sets,.. 6 reps heavy... gonna do more of these for sure

spider curls w bar..... 3x12

cable concentration curl.....3x12


overhead 2 handed db ext...3x6

reverse grip bench....1 set lol....idk how its possible.. most uncomfortable exercise ive ever done.

bench dips 3x failure

[dj181]

You can't gain pounds of calf tissue, 30 grams would be an insane success. I have tried, basically only way is to gain overall bodyweight. I always train calves very hard, just because, nothing much ever happens, just some more veins, slightly more 'pop' at best. Muscle gain is also dependent on calorie intake, which is why I say you should train legs and back hard just for the neural strength, which even helps bench. I mean you do say your size genetics suck anyway, at 56 your best hope is maintaining some muscle, as Pellius said, he just hoped to stave off age related sarcopenia, otoh he may have had some serious health issues, in fact I know he did as he told me about it, but in general size doesn't just appear out of nowhere at 56 especially without added calories. Take clen if you are worried about weight gain so you can eat more red meat and strength foods. Eat pork chops and don't trim the fat cap. Mongolian wrestlers like sheep's tail fat for strength. Eddie Hall claimed he ordered an extra pound of meat fat with his meal the night before his deadlift.

 

When I add in tren and drol that might add some size on me but ill only run 10 mgs parabolan ed and 150 mgs drol every 4 days on chest tri day

My pro sources are eggs, cheese, milk, and herring

[Soul Crusher]

4 - 5:30

7 sets   130lb DB squats x 10
Bench 135 x10 two sets
Bench 225 x 6 5 sets

45 min circuit - little rest

315lb Hex Bar Deads x 5
60'b DB incline Flyes x 10
80lb DB RDL's x 8 superset w standing calf raises w 80's x 8
Banded Cable Crossover x 12
Banded Ab Crunch x 15


6 - 7:30 BJJ   

[IroNat]

4 - 5:30

7 sets   130lb DB squats x 10
Bench 135 x10 two sets
Bench 225 x 6 5 sets

45 min circuit - little rest

315lb Hex Bar Deads x 5
60'b DB incline Flyes x 10
80lb DB RDL's x 8 superset w standing calf raises w 80's x 8
Banded Cable Crossover x 12
Banded Ab Crunch x 15


6 - 7:30 BJJ   

Good one, SC.

[Soul Crusher]

Good one, SC.

Going lighter for 2 weeks and feel great. 

[Van_Bilderass]

What is your calve training frequency and how do you train them, do you get a good mind muscle connection?

Me? I try different things throughout the year, from once a week to every other day. My favorites now are donkey calf raises and a seated Panatta straight leg. Research, depending on whether you value it or not, says bent leg raises don't grow calves much at all whereas straight leg raises do as the gastroc is the one that has hypertrophy potential, besides the straight leg trains the soleus as well. Research also indicates it's the stretched position that is the most potential so I go until the weight doesn't move, sometimes I do just the bottom half with more weight. I have always done some seated calf raises after my deadlift sessions as good strength in those seemed to help my deads, also simulated the starting position on deads. Calf strength adds to hamstring strength to bend the leg. Reps have varied but I mostly do 6-12 reps now but have done plenty of high to very high reps as well to finish off, for the pump. Mind-muscle connection feels very good, pumps are great but I tend to question the value of that connection, as fat guys with huge calves don't have to "connect" to grow calves. If the muscle is worked is all that matters, how you feel about it is secondary And I always feel strength gains are related to size gains after a certain rather short period of time, but obviously that stalls fairly quickly, otherwise I'd be calf raising 5,000lbs by now. If it kept going up the size would automatically come I'm sure. And not to forget I've been in gyms since I was about 8 or 9, 40 years!, that's lots of time to try everything. One well known plastic surgeon for bodybuilders in the 80s and 90s had some fascia splitting procedure so the muscle would billow out more. I haven't tried site injections to build more scar tissue "size" there as well as temporary swelling, but obviously it's the only way pro bodybuilders ever add calf size, especially black bodybuilders do it almost as a rule.

What has worked for you? Were they weak at some point despite training them but grew significantly once you made some changes? If so, what changes?

Wow, another very lengthy reply, trying to include everything...

Fake calves vs insane calf genetics. First two of Dexter, earlier vs later.

[Van_Bilderass]

When I add in tren and drol that might add some size on me but ill only run 10 mgs parabolan ed and 150 mgs drol every 4 days on chest tri day

My pro sources are eggs, cheese, milk, and herring

I think the increased test might add some temporary water weight but that would wash out in a week. Do some Aldactone or Dyazide and it's gone in a matter of hours. You don't have to worry about any weight, what you should worry about is the possible inability to gain any muscle of real consequence. It's not a putdown on you, I'm in the same boat pretty much. What if all what happens is some fat gain from increased calories? Not that you would even have to worry about fat gain, and thus scale weight, either as that would adjust itself in a matter of 2 weeks by just going to previous calories. If I were you I'd just eat liberally. you definitely could use more protein from fatty sources.

[Never1AShow]

When I add in tren and drol that might add some size on me but ill only run 10 mgs parabolan ed and 150 mgs drol every 4 days on chest tri day

My pro sources are eggs, cheese, milk, and herring

Don't forget the Parmesan cheese and the jizz.

[BigRo]

Me? I try different things throughout the year, from once a week to every other day. My favorites now are donkey calf raises and a seated Panatta straight leg. Research, depending on whether you value it or not, says bent leg raises don't grow calves much at all whereas straight leg raises do as the gastroc is the one that has hypertrophy potential, besides the straight leg trains the soleus as well. Research also indicates it's the stretched position that is the most potential so I go until the weight doesn't move, sometimes I do just the bottom half with more weight. I have always done some seated calf raises after my deadlift sessions as good strength in those seemed to help my deads, also simulated the starting position on deads. Calf strength adds to hamstring strength to bend the leg. Reps have varied but I mostly do 6-12 reps now but have done plenty of high to very high reps as well to finish off, for the pump. Mind-muscle connection feels very good, pumps are great but I tend to question the value of that connection, as fat guys with huge calves don't have to "connect" to grow calves. If the muscle is worked is all that matters, how you feel about it is secondary And I always feel strength gains are related to size gains after a certain rather short period of time, but obviously that stalls fairly quickly, otherwise I'd be calf raising 5,000lbs by now. If it kept going up the size would automatically come I'm sure. And not to forget I've been in gyms since I was about 8 or 9, 40 years!, that's lots of time to try everything. One well known plastic surgeon for bodybuilders in the 80s and 90s had some fascia splitting procedure so the muscle would billow out more. I haven't tried site injections to build more scar tissue "size" there as well as temporary swelling, but obviously it's the only way pro bodybuilders ever add calf size, especially black bodybuilders do it almost as a rule.

What has worked for you? Were they weak at some point despite training them but grew significantly once you made some changes? If so, what changes?

Wow, another very lengthy reply, trying to include everything...

Fake calves vs insane calf genetics. First two of Dexter, earlier vs later.

Maybe when starting out for the first few years 13-16 they we're not great but they soon started to grow. I do a calves once a week by themselves or with abs and spend a good 45mins on them or so, toe press on leg press, standing barbell and one leg holding 32kg Kettlebell. Limited gym.

If your a fat guy how come you don't have big calves? 6 reps is too low I think, min 10 for me.

[38 returns]

I was lucky my dad had 18' calves without ever really lifting he was a rugby lad.

I've only been able to walk for about the last three weeks- was walking round with blood clots in my legs from august lst year to april when I was rushed to hospital. have had to learn to walk again.

anyway when i was on 450mg test 300mg deca my 18.75 calves broke the magic 20. I was over the moon. sadly have not hadany test since jan. so 8 months off. and yet my calves are 18.5. its pure genetics for me.

looking foreard to starting back on end of the month- 4 months of  discipline until crimbo eve!

[Methyl m1ke]

Thanks, that's my casual bodybuilding look, let's see how it looks in 2-3 weeks.

Want to try something different? Pre exhaust with bulgarian split squats with a barbell for 4 sets of 12. Working around 4 rir on set 1 and close to 0 on set 4. Then hit regular back squats with the same scheme. Ditch the extensions they are a waste of time in my experience. Just two quad movements. Hams just stiff legged deads working a bit lower rep range and less volume. 2 sets after a warmup working at 2-4 rir set #1 and close to 0 set #2, both at 8 reps. Free to do whatever for calves. Ditch the lying leg curls and all that. Single joint movements just dont build size ive found, calves being the exception.

Im not nearly as big or strong and my endurance jsnt there either so perhaps make adjustments wherever neeeded.

Just a friendly, humble suggestion.

[joswift]

Want to try something different? Pre exhaust with bulgarian split squats with a barbell for 4 sets of 12. Working around 4 rir on set 1 and close to 0 on set 4. Then hit regular back squats with the same scheme. Ditch the extensions they are a waste of time in my experience. Just two quad movements. Hams just stiff legged deads working a bit lower rep range and less volume. 2 sets after a warmup working at 2-4 rir set #1 and close to 0 set #2, both at 8 reps. Free to do whatever for calves. Ditch the lying leg curls and all that. Single joint movements just dont build size ive found, calves being the exception.

Im not nearly as big or strong and my endurance jsnt there either so perhaps make adjustments wherever neeeded.

Just a friendly, humble suggestion.

we lift things up and put them down, stop fucking about with all that fucking bullshit

[SF1900]

Want to try something different? Pre exhaust with bulgarian split squats with a barbell for 4 sets of 12. Working around 4 rir on set 1 and close to 0 on set 4. Then hit regular back squats with the same scheme. Ditch the extensions they are a waste of time in my experience. Just two quad movements. Hams just stiff legged deads working a bit lower rep range and less volume. 2 sets after a warmup working at 2-4 rir set #1 and close to 0 set #2, both at 8 reps. Free to do whatever for calves. Ditch the lying leg curls and all that. Single joint movements just dont build size ive found, calves being the exception.

Im not nearly as big or strong and my endurance jsnt there either so perhaps make adjustments wherever neeeded.

Just a friendly, humble suggestion.

The exercise(s) do not matter. All that matters is drugs and ones genetic response to drugs.

[BigRo]

Want to try something different? Pre exhaust with bulgarian split squats with a barbell for 4 sets of 12. Working around 4 rir on set 1 and close to 0 on set 4. Then hit regular back squats with the same scheme. Ditch the extensions they are a waste of time in my experience. Just two quad movements. Hams just stiff legged deads working a bit lower rep range and less volume. 2 sets after a warmup working at 2-4 rir set #1 and close to 0 set #2, both at 8 reps. Free to do whatever for calves. Ditch the lying leg curls and all that. Single joint movements just dont build size ive found, calves being the exception.

Im not nearly as big or strong and my endurance jsnt there either so perhaps make adjustments wherever neeeded.

Just a friendly, humble suggestion.

"Free to do whatever on calves" lol thanks coach 

[Donny]

we lift things up and put them down, stop fucking about with all that fucking bullshit

not true though is it, you follow training principles from Doug Brignole.
He was the most radical fucker around 
Incidently you contradict yourself often but i´m kind to you 

[joswift]

not true though is it, you follow training principles from Doug Brignole.
He was the most radical fucker around 
Incidently you contradict yourself often but i´m kind to you 

you obviously never read any of Dougs writings or watched his videos

His methods are the most basic of all

Just a movement that takes a muscle through its full range of motion.

[Soul Crusher]

you obviously never read any of Dougs writings or watched his videos

His methods are the most basic of all

Just a movement that takes a muscle through its full range of motion.

Ive gotten more out of the hex bar deads than any other lift.  Its simple and basic but hits the legs, back, shoulders, etc

[dj181]

I think the increased test might add some temporary water weight but that would wash out in a week. Do some Aldactone or Dyazide and it's gone in a matter of hours. You don't have to worry about any weight, what you should worry about is the possible inability to gain any muscle of real consequence. It's not a putdown on you, I'm in the same boat pretty much. What if all what happens is some fat gain from increased calories? Not that you would even have to worry about fat gain, and thus scale weight, either as that would adjust itself in a matter of 2 weeks by just going to previous calories. If I were you I'd just eat liberally. you definitely could use more protein from fatty sources.

Today meal 1: 1 liter of milk made with coffee grinds and 8 teaspoon sugar

Meal 2 post workout: double quarter pounder with cheese

Meal 3:  2 herring 2 slices of bread and black raspberries with whip cream

Meal 4 upcoming: 3 eggs 50 grams of Parmesan cheese 5 slices of bread and ice cream with whip cream

I do well on high fat tbh

Guess I can go to 65 and then cut down to 60 @ 4%

That'll put my at my weight cap one day before weighin

30 years ago I went from 157 to 148 (weight class is 148.75 to be exact) and then I weighed in the next morning at 160

So 160-161 is my limit

That meet OK Slovakia in October has a day before weigh in

Yep ill never gain much more muscle even if I ate perfect and took the perfect cycle which is....

1000 mgs test 600 DECA or eq and 6-8 ius growth at bedtime

Yes that is the ideal perfect size gaining cycle and YES with my god awful size gaining genetics I would gain 2 pounds of lean dry muscle if I was lucky on that perfect cycle with a perfect diet