Extra 50K - What do you guys think?

[Chick]

THE ISSUE IS THE RULES BOB.THEY JUST CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHO TO FINE AND SUSPEND WHEN OTHER ATHLETES ARE DOING OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE RULES.FINE I GO PDI I GET SUSPENDED THEN OTHERS FOR BREAKING THE RULES SHOULD ALSO RECIEVE THE SAME PUNISHMENT.READ THE RULES ALL OF THEM AND NOW HOW MANY PROS DO YOU KNOW WHO FIT IN SOME OF THOSE SECTIONS(MALE AND FEMALE)?

ALL of the athletes are COLLECTIVELY breaking SOME rule that is written. Whats the IFBB going to do? Suspend everyone?

 Do I agree with some of these rules....NO. As you know, these are some of the changes I've been trying to initiate...I think they're bullshit as much as you do.

There are rules which they CHOOSE to enforce, however, and competing for  rival federation is one of them.

ENFORCE is the key word here. There are plenty of rules all around us everyday, that everone breaks... Jaywalking is a offense and technically, you can issued a ticket for it....do they enforce it even though it's a LAW? Obviously not since they would be writing tickets to just about everyone in the state.

THATS the difference.

[dorkeroo]

I THINK LEE PRIEST IS ABOUT TO COME THE MOST HATER PERSON AMONG THE IFBB ATHLETES!!! LEE, YOU ARE A DRAMA QUEEN. QUIT CRYING, GO TO THE PDI AND BE HAPPY.

This post is an example of why there should be a minimum I.Q. (at least room temperature) to post at GetBig.

[ARMZ]

Lee will be ranked #1 in the PDI..  Who will beat him?  

[Condor]

I don't know but to my knowledge Lee is the only pro on here who has at least admitted to using gear.  Many pros will not admit to that, nor their involvement in porn, or any other violation.  Lee's practically daring to get tested, so what is the big deal?  I'd love to hear some more honesty out of other pros in much the same way.

[Lee_a_priest]

ALL of the athletes are COLLECTIVELY breaking SOME rule that is written. Whats the IFBB going to do? Suspend everyone?

 Do I agree with some of these rules....NO. As you know, these are some of the changes I've been trying to initiate...I think they're bullshit as much as you do.

There are rules which they CHOOSE to enforce, however, and competing for  rival federation is one of them.

ENFORCE is the key word here. There are plenty of rules all around us everyday, that everone breaks... Jaywalking is a offense and technically, you can issued a ticket for it....do they enforce it even though it's a LAW? Obviously not since they would be writing tickets to just about everyone in the state.

THATS the difference.

I understand all that Bob.But don't you think if i was to be suspended a good lawyer would take them to court and ask why others have not been.You could just bring in pornographic photos of IFBB athletes and ask what was done to these ifbb pro card carrying pros?
.And the list would only go on.

[Lee_a_priest]

HRDCOR WILL BEAT LEE

And if he does great.We are great friends and roomates so the trophy will be coming home anyway

[Ex Coelis]

I don't know but to my knowledge Lee is the only pro on here who has at least admitted to using gear.  Many pros will not admit to that, nor their involvement in porn, or any other violation.  Lee's practically daring to get tested, so what is the big deal?  I'd love to hear some more honesty out of other pros in much the same way.

the problem with all pros coming "clean" would be the exposure of the sport - we don't need to wave signs that our athletes use - otherwise the gov will shut us down permanent-like. not everyone can be a Lee Priest

[Chick]

Bob this is a serious question.  What would be the harm in athletes competing in both?  i realize it is against the rules but would amending the rules hurt anything?

No harm to the athlete...in a perfect world we would all be able to compete where we wish, etc.

But when you sign the contract to be a part of the IFBB, you sign away your rights to compete in other federations...it's called exclusivity and it's very common in sports and business.

I have an exclusive contract with BB.com that prohibits me from signing with similiar companies. Granted, I'm compensated for that...but it's along the title of "job".

As a sport, the IFBB isn't compensating anyone, but allows it's "members" to compete in their organization and sanctioned shows. If you ndon't like it...no one has a gun to your head to join the iFBB...you can seek other opportunities all you wish, but you can't do both.

It's no different than joining an exclusive golf club...there are rules that must be followed if you want to be a member...you pay to be a member, you don't get paid by the club, and there are times you can golf and times you cant.

[Lee_a_priest]

No harm to the athlete...in a perfect world we would all be able to compete where we wish, etc.

But when you sign the contract to be a part of the IFBB, you sign away your rights to compete in other federations...it's called exclusivity and it's very common in sports and business.

I have an exclusive contract with BB.com that prohibits me from signing with similiar companies. Granted, I'm compensated for that...but it's along the title of "job".

As a sport, the IFBB isn't compensating anyone, but allows it's "members" to compete in their organization and sanctioned shows. If you ndon't like it...no one has a gun to your head to join the iFBB...you can seek other opportunities all you wish, but you can't do both.

It's no different than joining an exclusive golf club...there are rules that must be followed if you want to be a member...you pay to be a member, you don't get paid by the club, and there are times you can golf and times you cant.

Yeah but you can also go and play at other clubs.

[Condor]

I KNOW, quit with the drama queen crusade already if you would have been on here longer you'd know where Lee is coming from

[240 is Back]

ALL of the athletes are COLLECTIVELY breaking SOME rule that is written. Whats the IFBB going to do? Suspend everyone?

Bob, this logic seems to work well for you when you're trying to suspend Lee.

Why not use it to get some better benefits and prize money for the athletes? Suppose you were to get EVERY athlete to refuse to compete until prize monies are raised?  In your own words, "Whats the IFBB going to do? Suspend everyone?"

Of course, it sounds like you're just using the IFBB rulebook when it benefits the IFBB.  Not the athletes.

[Lee_a_priest]

THAT WHAT YOU SAY NOW!!! YOU WILL BE CRYING LIKE A DRAMA QUEEN
ROOMMATES

Yeah i will cry in happiness for him.We have been friends for over 16 years so try harder and keep digging for crap.

[Chick]

I understand all that Bob.But don't you think if i was to be suspended a good lawyer would take them to court and ask why others have not been.You could just bring in pornographic photos of IFBB athletes and ask what was done to these ifbb pro card carrying pros?
.And the list would only go on.

I happen to have a background in law...and no, a good lawyer would not use that as the suspentions of others would be irrelevant to YOUR case. They would look to see if any other athletes that joined the PDI were allowed to still compete in the IFBB, where you were singled out for the same violation.

[ARMZ]

It's almost like marriage..   you can't screw other women..  

[Chick]

Yeah but you can also go and play at other clubs.

Yes you can, as the contract you sign at the club does not preclude you from doing so...YOUR contract does.

[dorkeroo]

Chick, I don't always agree with 240, but it looks like this to me too.

[240 is Back]

Bob, explain why you're not working to change the rule stopping IFBB guys from doing PDI shows.

That would help the athletes- that would bring more money to them.

You're working to keep the money with the IFBB.

If you want to be the IFBB Rep, that's fine.  But you need to quit calling youself the Athletes Rep.  You're not representing their best interests

[HRDCOR]

  HRDCOR WILL BEAT LEE                                     

Coooooooooolll then after my NOC win , i will then gun down bob at the masters as he tries to defend his title , oh no I cant as i will be suspended, shit a dilemma , i am not good with dilemmas 

[240 is Back]

Bob-

Would you support a movement by the athletes to STRIKE ALL IFBB SHOWS until the IFBB allows athletes to compete in the PDI also?

In your own words, if ALL athletes do it, there is nothing the IFBB can do to stop it.

What do you say, Bob? 

[Chick]

I'm explaining what the rules are. I didn't make them up...nor do I agree with them all.

I have also submitted items for consideration that would change these rules for the betterment of the athletes. Arguing here on the boards is nice and all, but ultimately doesn't get anything accomplished.

Submitting for change does.

[Lee_a_priest]

I happen to have a background in law...and no, a good lawyer would not use that as the suspentions of others would be irrelevant to YOUR case. They would look to see if any other athletes that joined the PDI were allowed to still compete in the IFBB, where you were singled out for the same violation.

Well then it just goes to show what the Rules are worth.The IFBB knows right now who is breaking the rules in all cases and yet none is fined or suspended.So i guess i am singled out.Is that right.I thought i saw Denise Masino competing latley and i know the IFBB has seen her photos and videos.That is one example.

[240 is Back]

I'm explaining what the rules are. I didn't make them up...nor do I agree with them all.

I have also submitted items for consideration that would change these rules for the betterment of the athletes. Arguing here on the boards is nice and all, but ultimately doesnt get anything accomplished.

Submitting for change does.

Come on, Bob.  You can submit all year, but we all know the IFBB will not let the pros do the IFBB shows unless they HAVE to.  And the only way to allow that is to pull all athletes from competing until an agreement is made.

Call Manion tomorrow.  Tell him to cancel the Colorado and NY.  Watch them scramble and change the rules.

Bob, you're a divider, not a uniter.  You're quoting company rules to ban lee, and you're not working to allow athletes to compete in both divisions

[Lee_a_priest]

I'm explaining what the rules are. I didn't make them up...nor do I agree with them all.

I have also submitted items for consideration that would change these rules for the betterment of the athletes. Arguing here on the boards is nice and all, but ultimately doesn't get anything accomplished.

Submitting for change does.

Yeah but it passes the time there is crap on tv tonight

[Chick]

Well then it just goes to show what the Rules are worth.The IFBB knows right now who is breaking the rules in all cases and yet none is fined or suspended.So i guess i am singled out.Is that right.I thought i saw Denise Masino competing latley and i know the IFBB has seen her photos and videos.That is one example.

And I know Betty has put together language to enfore that rule as it directly affects the womens side of things...not my fight.

[dorkeroo]

Bob Chick is the IFBB's puppet.

He is a poor Athletes Rep and should be replaced.

His peers, his employers, his actions all speak the same thing-

He is an IFBB puppet.

Well Bob did say he was going to ignore you. I guess he meant it.