Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NeoSeminole]

ND claims that he's posted more quotes than this. Someone tell him posting the same quote more than once doesn't count as different sources.

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that [01 ASC] look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website

"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004

"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."

Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004

"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."

Shawn Ray – 2003 Year in Review (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"Ridiculous" Ronnie Coleman would win his 6th Sandow Trophy in a row looking absolutely ridiculous! This guy was from another planet! Ronnie added about a million pounds of muscle from the previous year and squashed the competition on sheer MASS! Unbelievable is what Ronnie was this night!"

Dorian Yates - Radio Interview

"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."

Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."

Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999

“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”

Shawn Perine - Flex, July 2007 p. 207

"After all, he's still, even at 43 yrs old, eight-time Mr. O Ronnie freakin' Coleman. Which is to say, arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived."

Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212

"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005

"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"

Kenny Kassel, IFBB Official - Flex, January 2004

"Ronnie has managed to develop muscles that haven't been identified yet."

[Iceman1981]

ND-Yes I was there. I attended the Mr. Olympia in 93-95-96-97-99, and took these pictures myself. Dorian has a trademark "THICKNESS" to him that has to be seen in person to be appreciated. He is equally thick from all angles.  Flex Wheeler was nowhere close to Yates in '93 in Atlanta. Dorian was just too massive & hard.

Can you post some 99 Mr. O pics if you have any?

[Iceman1981]

HULKSTER-
What the hell have you done to this picture of Ronnie & ?
That photo is inflated.



Here, I will do it to one of Dorians. How do you like it?

The Grand Prix shots were taken by Matt C. I think the width on those pics are too wide.

[Iceman1981]

1999

[JediKnight]

Deity:  The proof is in the pudding. Even the fellow pro's agree, Ronnie was better than Dorian. You have been OWNED

[NeoSeminole]

here are a few more shots of Ronnie hitting the side chest pose.

[pumpster]

Deity:  The proof is in the pudding. Even the fellow pro's agree, Ronnie was better than Dorian. You have been OWNED

Again? ROFL


Yates' arms looking remarkably mediocre against the competition.

[pumpster]

This is an example of Yates looking good? LOL

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie has the edge in (depending on the year):

- muscular size
- conditioning
- density
- balance and proportion
- definition
- taper
- aesthetics

see how easy it is to use your own argument against you? That's why your arguments suck. Be more specific and pick a year. Then we can compare.

Ronnie may have said that Dorian has the best back and side chest. However, he never said anything about losing to him. Dorian admitted that Ronnie would beat him. How does it feel to get a taste of your own medicine?

Furthermore, you are liar!!! You haven't posted more quotes (which include critiques) than me. I own you in that department. You also haven't posted more pics than any of us. Maybe you posted more shots of Dorian, but we've posted more of Ronnie. Nice try.

Ronnie has the edge in (depending on the year):

- muscular size
- conditioning
- density
- balance and proportion
- definition
- taper
- aesthetics

This has all been addressed time and time again kid

muscular size - Dorian has the edge over Ronnie in 1998/1999/2001 it doesn't matte what parts you think are bigger compared to Dorian the fact that he weighs more means he has more muscular size

conditioning - Ronnie has NO edge in Dorian in the conditioning department , period there are time in his career where he may have matched Yates for that rock hard & bone dry conditioning ( 1998/2001 ) but edged him out NO thats fantasy and the years he may have matched him he was under 250 pounds

density - I can honestly think of NO year where Ronnie matches Yates for density , nevermind edges him out , this is like your comparisons ...fantasy

balance & proportion - man this is just an empty statement , either you're born with great balance & proportion or your not and Ronnie was not and he is not comparable to Yates in this department and to entertain any year Ronnie has an edge is lunacy

definition - again you're playing with words , when the judges are speaking of definition in the judging criteria it refers to conditioning , its a matter of semantics Ronnie may have more visible detail in some parts but Yates has his share , see conditioning

taper -  give me a fucking break you're now looking to make a long list so it appears Ronnie has so many advantages , I mean most everyone Yates faced had a better taper than him thats is an empty advantage

aesthetics - lmfao Ronnie may have a better looking body from this prospective but see taper for an empty advantage , Dorian beat some of the most aesthetic bodybuilding in the sport its not an advantage that determines contests

see how easy it is to use your own argument against you? That's why your arguments suck. Be more specific and pick a year. Then we can compare.

You didn't pick anything apart , you made a bunch of empty claims period

Dorian Yates specifically stated he has better balance & proportion than Ronnie and conditioning those two are not in dispute only in your imagination couple that with this quote from Bev Francis who is a IFBB Judge and she would know

Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?

The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .


she says Yates is unlike a lot of big guys , he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together ( see Ronnie Coleman )

Ronnie may have said that Dorian has the best back and side chest. However, he never said anything about losing to him. Dorian admitted that Ronnie would beat him. How does it feel to get a taste of your own medicine?

Well you spoke to soon boy 

Q. This is my last question for you Ronnie, and it's quite "hypothetical" but I believe it is a good one. Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lee Haney, and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?

R.C. Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win... but I couldn't have beat them in their hey days.

Ronnie admits he couldn't have beaten them in their hey-days  and Yates didn't admit Ronnie would beat  just the judges would choose him because of a size advantage and he said repeatedly it was a very hard question for him to answer , so nice try 

Furthermore, you are liar!!! You haven't posted more quotes (which include critiques) than me. I own you in that department. You also haven't posted more pics than any of us. Maybe you posted more shots of Dorian, but we've posted more of Ronnie. Nice try.

Whats with this liar nonsense?  you said all I do is post 12 year old quotes and the Yates quote is from 2005 and a few others are from 2000+ ( so playing your game you are a liar )  and NO I posted tons of quotes and you know you guys all dismissed them from the very start and still do all the while posting your own ( see hypocrite ) where did you get the McGough quote about Ronnie ( in his opinion ) being unbeatable in 2001 ? from me  and I've posted more pics of both guys obviously more Yates' pics but believe me from to to end in this thread I posted more pics more pics that haven't beens seen too , I mean more pictures in general

so once again you haven't countered my argument you've just made blanket statements , again Dorian would win because

Y-93 - R-98 - Y has the edge in balance & proportion , density , ( may be tied on conditioning ) and has a advantage is muscular bulk , couple that with better posing and presentation - advantage Yates

Y-95 - R-98 - see above

Y-93 - R -99 - Y has the edge in balance & proportion , density , conditioning , and muscular bulk is a push because both weigh the same , couple that with better posing and presentation - advantage Yates

Y-95 - R-99 - see above

Y-93 - R-01 - Y has the edge in balance & proportion , density , conditioning may be a tie , muscular bulk , posing and presentation - advantage Yates

Y-95 - R-01 - see above

Y-93 - R-03 - see above Ronnie with a clear edge in muscular bulk

Y-95 - R - 03 - see above

Ronnie has the capability to beat Dorian , in all probability Dorian would win based on his many advantages , Ronnie never faced anyone like Dorian Yates the guy is a winning machine , he just has to many advantages and satisfies the criteria better than Ronnie , Dorian consistantly beat Ronnie and why? Ronnie was lacking two things that prevented him from being a winner size and conditioning and he had the size in 96/97 just not the conditioning , and you can play with size to a certain degree , conditioning is what sets first from second , Yates wrote the book on conditioned size , thats why he won in 97 despite having torn muscles and thats exactly why Ronnie lost in 2006 , couple that with Yates' other advantages its very safe to assume Dorian could and would beat Ronnie .

[Get Rowdy]

What is the resolution setting on your monitor? I have mine set to 1024 x 768. Also, the pic you posted is warped at the top which leads me to believe you have a curved CRT monitor. I have a flat, LCD monitor.

My screen resolution is 1280 x 800 and my screen is also flat LCD. 

[Steve387]

Are you kidding, this is a great shot of dorian, mostly!

Excellent quads, calves, good, well balanced torso. Decent chest, lats. Acceptable mid section for someone his size i suppose. But poor arms overall. Infact just downright atrocious for a mr olympia. 

Again as i say if you imagine just the torso without the arms you can see it is great. Just the small biceps and triceps totally ruin this shot.



Also, a bit of touchup with lighting makes a HUGE difference in what you see.

[IceCold]

what don't you understand about this statement:

someone's analysis means nothing if a quick glance at reality proves it to be wrong?

answer please.

the most you post, the more you rely on opinions and avoid reality of pics and comparisons.

how ironic:

the person complaining about ad populum arguments does nothing but exactly that:


 

your dumbass still doesnt get it.

when you voice your opinion about a pic, its only your opinion.

you act like whatever you think is a fact, when it is the totally opposite.

example, you claim ronnies side chest is better, i say dorians' is.

ronnie coleman agrees with me and you continue to rely on your "expert view of pictuers".

how pathetic.

another example.  when you are charged with a crime, both sides - prosecution and defense attorney have experts (people with credibility) tesitfy to prove their points.

according to you, that isnt needed, and instead relying on your point of view.

are you serious?

[IceCold]

what don't you understand about this statement:

someone's analysis means nothing if a quick glance at reality proves it to be wrong?

answer please.

the most you post, the more you rely on opinions and avoid reality of pics and comparisons.

how ironic:

the person complaining about ad populum arguments does nothing but exactly that:

relies on nothing but other people's opinion with a clear determination to avoid visual comparisons...

ND you got owned.

you are doing the very thing that you criticize everyone else for doing..

stupid AND hypocritical...

 


then why do you keep referencing your polls?

the polls count, but quotes from judges, ronnie, etc. dont?

more hypocrisy. 

you think that anyone who disagrees with you and has never seen a picture of ronnie or dorian - even if that is ronnie himself.

[Iceman1981]

A few more. The last pic is just insane.

[IceCold]

A few more. The last pic is just insane.

i think the one before it better.

in the last pic, no triceps and bad abs.

[NarcissisticDeity]

your dumbass still doesnt get it.

when you voice your opinion about a pic, its only your opinion.

you act like whatever you think is a fact, when it is the totally opposite.

example, you claim ronnies side chest is better, i say dorians' is.

ronnie coleman agrees with me and you continue to rely on your "expert view of pictuers".

how pathetic.

another example.  when you are charged with a crime, both sides - prosecution and defense attorney have experts (people with credibility) tesitfy to prove their points.

according to you, that isnt needed, and instead relying on your point of view.

are you serious?

Great post ! and the sad part is he is serious .

[Hulkster]

damn ronnie is owning chris and flex here.. his detail is crazy.

make's dorian's side chest look like watery pizza dough by comparison..

[johnnytosh]

Looks like the trademark GRANITE-like Hardness of Dorian has got Ronnie beat again

[NarcissisticDeity]

damn ronnie is owning chris and flex here.. his detail is crazy.

make's dorian's side chest look like watery pizza dough by comparison..

Quote Peter McGough Flex Magazine Jan 2001

RONNIE COLEMAN : ( 264lbs As big as a house , but holding water. In '98 , he was shredded and bone dry at 250 pounds. Last year ( 1999 ) he was 257 pounds but NOT as sharp as '98. This year ( 2000 ) at 264 pounds , he's not as sharp as 99 , which would seem to say that Ronnie is better at a lighter weight .

Ronnie NOT as sharp in 2000 as 1999 and NOT as shredded and bone dry in 1999 as he was in 1998 , i.e NOT as shredded and bone dry as Dorian Yates 1993/1995 couple that with Dorian's advantage in balance & proportion , and Ronnie's comment on Dorian having the best side chest ever seen , your comment has no basis

[Hulkster]

Quote Peter McGough Flex Magazine Jan 2001

RONNIE COLEMAN : ( 264lbs As big as a house , but holding water. In '98 , he was shredded and bone dry at 250 pounds. Last year ( 1999 ) he was 257 pounds but NOT as sharp as '98. This year ( 2000 ) at 264 pounds , he's not as sharp as 99 , which would seem to say that Ronnie is better at a lighter weight .

Ronnie NOT as sharp in 2000 as 1999 and NOT as shredded and bone dry in 1999 as he was in 1998 , i.e NOT as shredded and bone dry as Dorian Yates 1993/1995 couple that with Dorian's advantage in balance & proportion , and Ronnie's comment on Dorian having the best side chest ever seen , your comment has no basis

did you even LOOK at the shot?

[Hulkster]

LOL my comment has no basis?

are you fucking BLIND?:

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

did you even LOOK at the shot?

Yes its a awesome shot , not textbook , again its called the side chest not the twisting side chest when viewed from the SIDE like its supposed to , its much easier to see his glaring flaws , his lack of overall balance & proportion his deltoids that dominate the pecs and makes them appear small , his weak calves in relation to the quads , his oversized biceps/triceps in relation to his forearms , etc , etc

[johnnytosh]

Here we see Coleman & Lee Priest BATTLING it out for 9th place.
Meanwhile Dorian's in the background-already having vanquished the competition.

In the bottom photo, we see Dorian-at the same contest, BLOWING AWAY Coleman
in the same pose. Yates has got a back full of stone, while Ronnie's musculature looks like Terrel Owens

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL my comment has no basis?

are you fucking BLIND?:

 

Your comment proves zero , you claimed Dorian was ' watery pizza dough compared to Ronnie ' in this shot , I posted an eyewitness account that Ronnie's conditioning in 1999 compared to 1998 was not as shredded & bone dry , Dorian in 1993/1995 was shredded and bone dry period , so your claim he would make Dorian look ' watery pizza dough ' has no basis , couple that with these comments

DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.


Ronnie�s side chest leaves a lot to be desired when compared to people who can actually hit it right

and my critique and pictures and again you have NO basis what so ever .

[IceCold]

did you even LOOK at the shot?

yes, and in order to validate his opinion, he posts a credible source to back up what he says.

you rely on your eyes.

lol.

WHY IS THIS CONCEPT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?