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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2625 on: May 30, 2006, 12:53:46 PM »


Haha NO quads, good back though, no arms. Art Atwood could compete with this, lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2626 on: May 30, 2006, 12:59:45 PM »
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NO quads, good back though, no arms.

Only 3 things jump out from the ordinary:

-Back: much less width & taper; better detail than Coleman.

-Calves: unfortunately, good calves are NOT as significant as good biceps-those are what are called Show Muscles baby! Ronie has 'em, Yates never did!  :'(

-Overall density.


Unfortunately, those 3 things are overwhelmed by much ORDINARINESS..sad..

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2627 on: May 30, 2006, 01:51:58 PM »
So much for common sense-keeps posting shots where Ron looks better. Ron with far better definition & separation.

As usual, he doesn't comprehend that size comparisons don't hold when one guy's on an angle-Lavrone's arm is sideways, Coleman's isn't...DUH!  ::)

Ronnie most certainly has the edge on conditioning but as far as width & size , Kevin has him covered .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2628 on: May 30, 2006, 02:17:09 PM »
Numbers and pics proving that Yates looks like crap are ND's forte.

Here are the crucial numbers:

Olympias:

Coleman 8
Yates     6


Getbig Poll:

Coleman > Yates > Columbu


http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=74503.0




  Lee Haney also won eight Olympias. The same as Coleman. Yet, you called him "tier-B". By your logic, wouldn't this make Haney as great as Coleman? ::) HA HA HA! You just creamed yourself in the pooper. ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2629 on: May 30, 2006, 02:18:33 PM »
u have not read one word of tis thread. how on earth is it goin on so long.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2630 on: May 30, 2006, 02:35:50 PM »
  Lee Haney also won eight Olympias. The same as Coleman. Yet, you called him "tier-B". By your logic, wouldn't this make Haney as great as Coleman? ::) HA HA HA! You just creamed yourself in the pooper. ;D

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Oh damn sucky just owned you lol chalk another one up for Team-Yates lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2631 on: May 30, 2006, 03:16:24 PM »
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  Lee Haney also won eight Olympias. The same as Coleman. Yet, you called him "tier-B". By your logic, wouldn't this make Haney as great as Coleman?  HA HA HA! You just creamed yourself in the pooper.

SUCKMYMUSCLE


Oh damn sucky just owned you lol chalk another one up for Team-Yates lol

2 nerds giggling to themselves..LOL

What SUCKMYASSHOLE missed in warped logic that matches his eyesight, is that I only use those numbers to communicate with data-nerds-the numbers aren't that relevant to me, you idiot.

Haney & Yates reign SUPREME atop tier-B... :D

Haney, Yates > Dickerson, Columbu

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2632 on: May 30, 2006, 03:33:15 PM »
2 nerds giggling to themselves..LOL

What SUCKMYASSHOLE missed in warped logic that matches his eyesight, is that I only use those numbers to communicate with data-nerds-the numbers aren't that relevant to me, you idiot.

Haney & Yates reign SUPREME atop tier-B... :D

Haney, Yates > Dickerson, Columbu


No you're giggling at you and your stupidity lol sucky owned you , using your own lame-logic !!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2633 on: May 30, 2006, 04:34:09 PM »
No you're giggling at you and your stupidity lol sucky owned you , using your own lame-logic !!

  HA HA HA!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Poopster is the dumbest poster ever! And I don't mean only here, but on all internet message boards! I have never and I mean, !ever!, seen someone as dumb as him. From reading his "posts"(unwitty rants, deprived of content), I have come to the conclusion that his I.Q is around 70; the range where institutionalization becomes required.

  Nerd= How the unintelligent call the intelligent.

  By the way, poopster, you shouldn't be calling anyone a nerd: your lack of wit, sarcasm and verbosity, your obsessivness are classic signs of nerdishness. ;D

  And also, I'm more than willing to fight you off-line. I'm bigger, tougher and more handsome than you'll ever be. So, will poopster accept my challenge or bitch out - as I know he'll do.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2634 on: May 30, 2006, 04:43:18 PM »
who said yates got no delts....hulster and pumpster i think those 2 big round things on yates shoulders here r called delts

but those 2 big round things are exactly that: 2 big round things-  poor shape on top of poorly shaped arms:


the dorian fans wouldn't know shape if it came up and bit them on the ass.

same with the back. Dorian's upper back was so flat compared to Ronnie's. Its obvious in every video, every pic.



who had a better back double bi should not even be debated.  Unless you think calves override EVERYTHING else... ::)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2635 on: May 30, 2006, 04:45:09 PM »
  HA HA HA!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Poopster is the dumbest poster ever! And I don't mean only here, but on all internet message boards! I have never and I mean, !ever!, seen someone as dumb as him. From reading his "posts"(unwitty rants, deprived of content), I have come to the conclusion that his I.Q is around 70; the range where institutionalization becomes required.

  Nerd= How the unintelligent call the intelligent.

  By the way, poopster, you shouldn't be calling anyone a nerd: your lack of wit, sarcasm and verbosity, your obsessivness are classic signs of nerdishness. ;D

  And also, I'm more than willing to fight you off-line. I'm bigger, tougher and more handsome than you'll ever be. So, will poopster accept my challenge or bitch out - as I know he'll do.

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Man sucky is laying the smack down lol sucky hit pumpster with so many lefts he's begging for a right !!  :P

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2636 on: May 30, 2006, 04:48:26 PM »
  There you go again, poopster, picking at straws. ::) Ronnie has a better biceps peak. So what? Dorian rapes him in lat thickness, echiness of the lower back, christmas-tree development, DETAILS ON HIS UPPER BACK and overrall hardness and dryness. Who cares that Ronnie is better at one thing? Ronnie has thicker lats? Wrong! The 257 lbs Dorian has MUCH thicker lats than the 250 lbs Ronnie.

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again, more ND delusion. You are one of probably only two people left on the planet who thinks that Dorian's back double bi is more detailed than Ronnie's..



uttter nonsense.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2637 on: May 30, 2006, 04:51:04 PM »
but those 2 big round things are exactly that: 2 big round things-  poor shape on top of poorly shaped arms:


the dorian fans wouldn't know shape if it came up and bit them on the ass.

same with the back. Dorian's upper back was so flat compared to Ronnie's. Its obvious in every video, every pic.


who had a better back double bi should not even be debated.  Unless you think calves override EVERYTHING else... ::)

Check this delts lol the size of cannonballs !!  :o anyway Coleman has good delts lol maybe too good they impead on his sidechest shot very nicely  ;) anyway if you think a great backdouble bicep shot is lightheavyweight forearms , superheavyweight biceps/triceps , heavyweights torso , coupled with a middelweights lowerback , a superheavyweights ass & quads and lightweights calves then you have a fantastic backdouble bicep shot lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2638 on: May 30, 2006, 04:53:21 PM »
again, more ND delusion. You are one of probably only two people left on the planet who thinks that Dorian's back double bi is more detailed than Ronnie's..

uttter nonsense.



You're delusional , I said his back is just as detailed in the upper and more detailed in the lower . Dorian's back double bicep is textbook from top to bottom !!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2639 on: May 30, 2006, 04:55:46 PM »
ND has mentioned that part of why he (incorrectly) thinks that Dorian has a better back double bi is that Dorian's lats appear to insert lower  on his back.

However, I think that this actually works AGAINST dorian in comparsions with ronnie.

Why?

because Dorian's lats insert lower but into a wider waist.

Ronnie's lats insert a bit higher but into a much smaller waist. This creates the exaggerated taper that Ronnie is known for.

And it creates the ho-hum taper that dorian was known for.

eg. compare the tapers:



ronnie looks like a cartoon character.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2640 on: May 30, 2006, 04:56:43 PM »
You're delusional , I said his back is just as detailed in the upper and more detailed in the lower . Dorian's back double bicep is textbook from top to bottom !!

your textbook is missing pages about the arms.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2641 on: May 30, 2006, 05:01:32 PM »
ND has mentioned that part of why he (incorrectly) thinks that Dorian has a better back double bi is that Dorian's lats appear to insert lower  on his back.

However, I think that this actually works AGAINST dorian in comparsions with ronnie.

Why?

because Dorian's lats insert lower but into a wider waist.

Ronnie's lats insert a bit higher but into a much smaller waist. This creates the exaggerated taper that Ronnie is known for.

And it creates the ho-hum taper that dorian was known for.

eg. compare the tapers:

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ronnie looks like a cartoon character.

Ronnie's back double bicep is good , its freaky , its WoW , but its not textbook and this is clearly evident when he stood next to Dorian , and Dorian lowerback as a whole is better than Ronnie's hence the sever X-mas tree , so having a tad higher lats actually hurts Ronnie becasuse of that !! ;) look at the pic even with the ' superior ' taper Ronnie's back isn't as wide or impressive !!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2642 on: May 30, 2006, 05:04:30 PM »
your textbook is missing pages about the arms.

Oh please your textbook is missing calves , but thats okay , its also missing a clearly defined x-mas tree , but thats okay , its missing balance & proportion , but thats okay lol Dorian's back double bicep shot is awesome , Ronnie's is too , put the two together and watch Ronnie get taken to school .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2643 on: May 30, 2006, 05:04:51 PM »
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because Dorian's lats insert lower but into a wider waist.

Ronnie's lats insert a bit higher but into a much smaller waist. This creates the exaggerated taper that Ronnie is known for.

And it creates the ho-hum taper that dorian was known for.
Yates "lower lats" have great flare..

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2644 on: May 30, 2006, 05:06:47 PM »
Flapjacks, pt. deux..

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2645 on: May 30, 2006, 05:10:29 PM »
potato sticks  ;) for the mentally challenged his potato stick calves

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2646 on: May 30, 2006, 05:13:19 PM »
I'll take those arms any day..more babbling.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2647 on: May 30, 2006, 05:14:46 PM »
Speaking of twigs..

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2648 on: May 30, 2006, 07:19:02 PM »
Ronnie's back double bicep is good , its freaky , its WoW , but its not textbook and this is clearly evident when he stood next to Dorian , and Dorian lowerback as a whole is better than Ronnie's hence the sever X-mas tree , so having a tad higher lats actually hurts Ronnie becasuse of that !! ;) look at the pic even with the ' superior ' taper Ronnie's back isn't as wide or impressive !!

Why do you persist in using a back shot of Ronnie next to Dorian's from before Ronnie's back was at its best? You also ignore Hulkster's argument that Ronnie vastly improved his legs and back when he became Mr. Olympia. You site his weight as the indicator of how little he changed from one year to the other. Typical overuse of data and dismissing what the eye can clearly see.

Bodybuilding is about how you look on stage, not on paper. Thats' how a 220 lbs Wheeler could beat a 270 lbs NAsser at the NOC. Ronnie Coleman's best is lightyears ahead of Yates' best. Using pictures of Ronnie before his peak ads nothing to your argument. Why not just compare Ronnie as a teenager to Dorian at the 96 Olympia?

Ronnie Coleman > Yates


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #2649 on: May 30, 2006, 08:09:17 PM »
Why do you persist in using a back shot of Ronnie next to Dorian's from before Ronnie's back was at its best? You also ignore Hulkster's argument that Ronnie vastly improved his legs and back when he became Mr. Olympia. You site his weight as the indicator of how little he changed from one year to the other. Typical overuse of data and dismissing what the eye can clearly see.

Bodybuilding is about how you look on stage, not on paper. Thats' how a 220 lbs Wheeler could beat a 270 lbs NAsser at the NOC. Ronnie Coleman's best is lightyears ahead of Yates' best. Using pictures of Ronnie before his peak ads nothing to your argument. Why not just compare Ronnie as a teenager to Dorian at the 96 Olympia?

Ronnie Coleman > Yates



Great post!


In all seriousness, that is the issue:

ND and suckmyasshole seem to think that because Ronnie's weight was similar in 1996 to his peak form in his later years, that his physique must have therefore also been similar.

however, video after video and pic after pic show otherwise.

the difference in percieved arm, leg, back and chest mass from the video from 1997 compared to the 1999 Olympia clip is astounding. I guess when you are dealing with low bodyfat percentages, 7 or 8 pounds of solid muscle is all it takes for a dramatic improvement. And his hardness and taper actually improved from the 1997 clip to the 1999 one.  He may have been harder in the upper back in 1998, but as far as arms, quads and everything else goes, Ronnie was harder in 1999 than in 1998.

As I said before:

The Pro Yates argument centers on the fact that ronnie didn't improve much from the time when he met Yates onstage to the time that Ronnie hit his overall peak. Therefore Yates would still win.

However, anyone with a brain can see that this premise is clearly wrong.


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