Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[jandal.ninja]

considering that this board has gone sooo in depth to argue points of view - i thought someone could settle this by posting all the comparison pics and letting everyone vote on each pose. this would then illustrate who is the mightier physique - i cant be arsed to do it so someone do it and then we can lay this board to rest in pieces...

[natural al]

considering that this board has gone sooo in depth to argue points of view - i thought someone could settle this by posting all the comparison pics and letting everyone vote on each pose. this would then illustrate who is the mightier physique - i cant be arsed to do it so someone do it and then we can lay this board to rest in pieces...

this would never work.  What year are we talking for both?  I thought this was about thier entire careers and like I said before, the ronnie of 2004 or 2005 is not the ronnie of 1998, ronnie's back has gone down a ton so which wouuld you use?  You know people would want to use Dorian from 94 where doz was at his worst...

[jandal.ninja]

yeah i suppose...wishful thinking - i was thinking more the 'best ever' type photos but even that is pushing it cause that is so subjective too

[natural al]

yeah i suppose...wishful thinking - i was thinking more the 'best ever' type photos but even that is pushing it cause that is so subjective too

it would be nice but it's too subjective, I think Ronnie has looked like garbage for the last 3 or 4 years but people will argue that he's been just as good as he was when he won his 1st O.

[pumpster]

considering that this board has gone sooo in depth to argue points of view - i thought someone could settle this by posting all the comparison pics and letting everyone vote on each pose. this would then illustrate who is the mightier physique

In a different form that's already been done and conveniently ignored amongst an avalanche of evidence re: Coleman's dominance:

Getbig poll: Coleman >>>>> Yates

[NeoSeminole]

Front Double Biceps



Ronnie >>> Dorian

Front Lat Spread



Tie

Side Triceps



Dorian >>> Ronnie

Side Chest



Ronnie >>> Dorian

Rear Double Biceps



Ronnie >>> Dorian

Rear Lat Spread



Ronnie >>> Dorian

Abs and Thighs



Dorian >>> Ronnie

Most Muscular



Ronnie >>> Dorian

Dorian: 3
Ronnie: 6

[FREAKgeek]

front lat spread goes to ronnie

dorian 2
ronnie 6

[FREAKgeek]

dorian's biceps are just so pathetic it fucks everything up

[NarcissisticDeity]

In each comparison I make, I pay attention to little details like foot positioning, knees, hips, etc. to see how they line up. You just post whatever you feel like with complete disregard to details. This is what you posted.


Can't you tell Alex Federov is standing closer to the camera?

Here is another comparison you posted before


Notice Dorian's head is 2 inches above Ronnie's head?

Just for the hell of it, I threw in this pic you posted



Ronnie isn't done flexing. Look how far back his arms are pulled and his traps are squeezed together. He hasn't even hit his prime yet, but you still posted it anyway.  

No, I don't favor Ronnie in my pics. I try to post the best representative pics of each of them. Most of the Dorian pics I use are ones you posted. Unlike you and Suckmydick, I try to make this discussion as unbiased as possible. I used all Dorian pics from 93 (with the exception of the rear double biceps). I also went back and rescaled a few of the pics. Please show me where I said Ronnie's back in 98/99 was wider than Dorian's in 93. If you can show me this, then I will take back my comment. I remember saying Ronnie's back was just as wide. As for Flex Wheeler's lats being almost as wide as Ronnie's...



put down your crack pipe

You pay attention to little details? like Dorian's waist at 257lbs is smaller that Ronnie's at 249lbs   and you claimed that Dorian is " 1-2  inches " taller than Ronnie in the picture I posted yet you failed to take into account Ronnie's legs are spread apart and Dorians ARE NOT so you may want to take that into consideration before you make claims he appears 1-2" taller , also the pic of Ronnie is taken while looking up at him and Dorian is almost straight-on thats not accurate and we can use the excuse Ronnie is closer to the camera , when I originally complained they wern't accurate you had the epiphany to photoshop his obliques wider lol instead of resizing them . I have photoshop I just don't know how to place photos side-by-side like that if I did I would make them more accurate myself.

[Bear]

dorian's biceps are just so pathetic it fucks everything up

Haha! Beautifully accurate in its succinctity. I concur!

[NeoSeminole]

You pay attention to little details? like Dorian's waist at 257lbs is smaller that Ronnie's at 249lbs   and you claimed that Dorian is " 1-2  inches " taller than Ronnie in the picture I posted yet you failed to take into account Ronnie's legs are spread apart and Dorians ARE NOT so you may want to take that into consideration before you make claims he appears 1-2" taller , also the pic of Ronnie is taken while looking up at him and Dorian is almost straight-on thats not accurate and we can use the excuse Ronnie is closer to the camera , when I originally complained they wern't accurate you had the epiphany to photoshop his obliques wider lol instead of resizing them . I have photoshop I just don't know how to place photos side-by-side like that if I did I would make them more accurate myself.

They have the same size waist in the pics I posted, but Ronnie is 1 inch taller. So proportionally Dorian's waist is wider. In the pic you are referring to, I did take into account little details. Ronnie's wider leg stance and bending of his knees may account for his 2 inch reduction in height but Ronnie's ankle is visible while Dorian's is not. This subtracts another 1-2 inches from Ronnie's height.

I use Microsoft Office Picture Manager (comes with Office) to crop pics and resize them. I use Paint to put them side by side. I'm sure there's better photoshop software, but this is what I have on my computer.

[FREAKgeek]

It really doesn't matter if the images aren't perfectly equal in scale. What matters is that they aren't distorted (from resizing in incorrect ratios) or morphed (downright fraudulent). It doesn't take rocket science to conclude what LOOKS better. And ND, it's about LOOKS not all these weight figures you keep regurgitating in your arguments.

[pumpster]

front lat spread goes to ronnie

dorian 2
ronnie 6

This is obvious, even though it's supposed to be one of Yates' best shots.

[ribonucleic]

bump

[Old joke, I know. But it still amuses me.]

[Hulkster]

This is obvious, even though it's supposed to be one of Yates' best shots.

and it used to be one of Ronnie's:


dorian never had the quads or chest to make the pose that much more impressive.

IF we are talking about ronnie at his very best, the front lat spread goes to him easily.

[Hulkster]

Ronnie 1998 didn't have the lat width he had latter in his career , look at this picture and you can clearly see his lats aren't much wider than Flex.

you are a total fool.



when they battled it out in 98/99, ronnie was noticably wider than Flex.

Can't give him an ounze of credit can you?

What are you going to say next?

That Ronnie has worse arms than Doria....oh wait

ND, now, more than ever, I belive you really have no clue.

 

The longer this thread goes the more retarded ND gets.

[NarcissisticDeity]

They have the same size waist in the pics I posted, but Ronnie is 1 inch taller. So proportionally Dorian's waist is wider. In the pic you are referring to, I did take into account little details. Ronnie's wider leg stance and bending of his knees may account for his 2 inch reduction in height but Ronnie's ankle is visible while Dorian's is not. This subtracts another 1-2 inches from Ronnie's height.

I use Microsoft Office Picture Manager (comes with Office) to crop pics and resize them. I use Paint to put them side by side. I'm sure there's better photoshop software, but this is what I have on my computer.

See thats one of the problems , they're not supoposed to have the same size waist even if Ronnie is one inch taller , Ronnie has a light structure with small joints and a very tiny waist even at 249lbs he also has smaller hips , Dorian on the otherhand has a mesomorph structure with a realitively wide waist & hips , to to try and justify their waists being the same is not accurate

And are we looking at the same pic? I can't see Ronnie's ankle , now I may be mistaken on what you're trying to say that Ronnie is anywhere between 3" and 4" shorter than Dorian in the pic I posted? lol I think this pic is accurate because of ANY height differental there may be in Dorians favor however slight it may be is simply because Ronnie is bending his knees and his legs are further spread apart . I think this picture is 100% more accurate than the ones you've posted because it shows Dorian's wider waist in relation to Ronnie's as well as everything else being proportionally wider .

[NarcissisticDeity]

you are a total fool.

when they battled it out in 98/99, ronnie was noticably wider than Flex.

Can't give him an ounze of credit can you?

What are you going to say next?

That Ronnie has worse arms than Doria....oh wait

ND, now, more than ever, I belive you really have no clue.

 

The longer this thread goes the more retarded ND gets.

Hulkster where did I say that Flex's lats were wider? Oh thats right I didn't lol you're getting your panties in a bunch for no reason. settle down a tad . In 98 his lats wern't that much wider than Flex they were wider but not like they were in 99 , he's 249lbs in 98 in 99 he was 257lbs you can clearly see the difference between 98/99 in terms of lat width , and his back isn't nearly as wider as it was once he hit 260+ pounds .

Look at these pics from the 1998 Olympia his lats aren't much wider than Flex. even in the front latspread Ronnie is slightly wider.

[suckmymuscle]

Out of fear, SUCKY lurks only late at night, only when he thinks he won't get pummelled.

  HA HA HA! Yeah, that explains why most of my posts on this thread are done during the day. Retard. "Pummeled"? HA HA HA! Seriously, of all the Ronnie nut-milkers, only PraetorFenix even presented a challenge in this discussion. Too bad he abandoned you girls...anyway, Poop, your posts consist of little more than posting the same five pics over and over again, and blaming conspiracy theories for why Dorian won his Olympias. Of the Coleman side, you're the most useless of the three.

I have news for you-you don't comprehend anatomy. First of all it's not called the outer triceps belly.

  No, it's called the lateral head. So what? Do you think debating semantics will make you appear more erudite about bodybuilding? Well, you have no content, so you try to discredit me by trying to make me appear ignorant about anatomy. Guess what, fool? I have a degree in physiology and actually know more about this than you do.

Secondly, only 2 out of 3 parts of his triceps look good, the two smaller and outer parts AKA medial and lateral heads, which is why he only looks good in the side triceps shot. It is not the only triceps shot but is for someone with his deficiencies.

  Which is far more than can be said about Ronnie. In 1998, his triceps was overpowered by his biceps, it had a smaller mass than Dorian and his side triceps shot sucked ass big time. In 2003/4, he obviously had more overrall triceps mass than Dorian, since he outweighed him by 30-40 lbs. Yet, Dorian's side triceps was still more impressive than his, due to his lateral head being naturally longer and his calves more developed.

In your limited thinking, it's the only one because that's all that Yates can do. It is not the only shot to show triceps you fool.

  No. Completely wrong. The side triceps shot is far more important than any overhead shot. Why? Because it's the pose especifically created to show-case the triceps. You can't get over the fact that Ronnie's side triceps pose is inferior to Dorian's, so you create excuses. Besides, in the abs-and-thighs shot, the inner triceps head is visible, and guess what? Dorian has greater thickness. Conpare it to this abs-and-thighs shot, of Ronnie, where he's 40 lbs heavier than Dorian, yet their inner triceps mass is roughly equivalent - not to mention that Dorian's abs-and-thighs RAPES Ronnie's overrall. Check out, Poop.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[pumpster]

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I have news for you-you don't comprehend anatomy. First of all it's not called the outer triceps belly.

  No, it's called the lateral head. So what? Do you think debating semantics will make you appear more erudite about bodybuilding?

As opposed to your continued babbling using the wrong terms? If you can't make clear WTF you're talking about how is this reasoned or logical discourse genius?

only 2 out of 3 parts of his triceps look good, the two smaller and outer parts AKA medial and lateral heads, which is why he only looks good in the side triceps shot. It is not the only triceps shot but is for someone with his deficiencies.

  Which is far more than can be said about Ronnie. In 1998, his triceps was overpowered by his biceps, it had a smaller mass than Dorian and his side triceps shot sucked ass big time.

1/None of the pics posted over and over again agree with your silliness-Coleman's side-tris is right there with Yates.

2/ Coleman's triceps are much bigger, which you still don't comprehend because of your ignorance of physiology. Even your master ND has said that, leaving you looking like a dink who doesn't know what he's talking about!

3/ Discussing Coleman's triceps while at the same time saying that Coleman's got an imbalance between bis and tris is mixing 2 different issues, you dumbass!

In your limited thinking, it's the only one because that's all that Yates can do. It is not the only shot to show triceps you fool.

  No. Completely wrong. The side triceps shot is far more important than any overhead shot. Why? Because it's the pose especifically created to show-case the triceps. You can't get over the fact that Ronnie's side triceps pose is inferior to Dorian's

You are the only one on the planet that i'm aware of that would rely on only one shot to judge any particular muscle-you look at it from many angles turd-boy! The side-tri is the most obvious one, so even a dimwit like you understands that but then doesn't understand the importance of other shots to get different angles. 1...2...3...DUH!

[NarcissisticDeity]

As opposed to your continued babbling using the wrong terms? If you can't make it clear WTF you're talking about how is this reasoned or logical discourse genius?

None of the pics posted over and over again agree with your silliness-Coleman's side-tris is right there with Yates.

Secondly, his triceps are much bigger, even your master ND has said that, leaving you looking like a dink who doesn't know what he's talking about!

Third, saying that Coleman's got an imbalance between bis and tris has nothing to do with discussing triceps development you tool! They're separate issues-except to you!

How you claim Ronnie's side-tricep pose is right up with this is pure BS straight from the tap .

6. Side Triceps (see Figure 6)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose so as
to show the “better” arm. He will stand with his left or
right side towards the judges and will place both arms
behind his back, either linking his fingers or grasping the
front arm by the wrist with his rear hand. The leg nearest
the judges will be bent at the knee and the foot will rest
flat on the floor. The competitor will exert pressure
against his front arm, thereby causing the triceps muscle
to contract. He will also raise the chest and contract the
abdominal muscles as well as the thigh and calf muscles.
The judge will first survey the triceps muscles, and
conclude with the head-to-foot examination. In this pose,
the judge will be able to survey the thigh and calf muscles
in profile, which will help in grading their comparative
development more accurately.

No way on Gods green earth does Ronnie meet this criteria better than Dorian , Dorian simply has the better balance & proportion not to mention two calves that the judges are specfically looking for , Dorian's side tricep head much more clearly defined than Ronnies this isn't debateable , Ronnie's are bigger but not better buts lets entertain that overall the shot was very close . Ronnie would outright lose for having such weak calves , his lack of great calves are a liability in every single shot compared to Dorian , you will never be able to escape this .

[NarcissisticDeity]

A Hulkster/pumpster comparision lol

[pumpster]

No way on Gods green earth does Ronnie meet this criteria better than Dorian

Exactly why you're delusional. The pics have been posted repeatedly, disproving what you're saying. On the side shot Yates has better cuts but Coleman's close, while Coleman has a HUGE size advantage.

[pumpster]

This is supposedly Yates' good shot because it plays to the areas of his triceps that are actually developed, yet Coleman's right there WITH A HUGE SIZE ADVANTAGE..

SUCKY BECAUSE YOU ARE MENTALLY CHALLENGED..YATES MEDIAL AND LATERAL TRI HEADS ARE EXCELLENT, BUT NOT THE LONG HEAD AT THE BACK OF THE ARM-VERY LITTLE SIZE THERE COMPARED TO THE LOAVES OF BREAD HANGING OFF THE BACK OF COLEMAN'S ARMS. (REMEMBER SUCKY AND ND-YATES' TRIS ARE ONLY GOOD ON THE SIZED, NOT THE BACK).

[NarcissisticDeity]

Exactly why you're delusional. The pics have been posted repeatedly, disproving what you're saying. On the side shot Yates has better cuts but Coleman's close, while Coleman has a HUGE size advantage.

Elaborate on what you mean that Ronnie has a HUGE size advantage , if you're referring to triceps size that a moot point because Dorian's overall balance & proportion stop any size advantage Ronnie has in his triceps and if you mean in terms of bodyweight Ronnie has a HUGE size advantage you're be dead wrong again because in 98 Ronnie was just 249lbs VS Dorian's 257lbs so he has NO advantage there , so either way you lose and if you want to add Ronnie 99 into the mix , see my above pics . both are 257lbs and while the size advantage is moot what isn't is Dorian's superior muscle density at that weight and his dryness which Ronnie 99 can't match. either way Dorian beats Ronnie in the side triceps shot with ease .