Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pobrecito]

So what are you implying here?

Any concrete evidence besides the normal "A Mr. O always retains his title" erroneous neophyte fan bullshit?
 

His immodest way of showing sportsmanship.

hahaha.....Coleman showing sportmanship??? please....Coleman is anything but humble....considering he said this year "I'm gonna make Jay cry again this year"

Coleman knows he lost in 01. He was deemed inferior to Cutler in pre-judging.

Yates in 94 had a 50lb advantage on second place and won pre-judging.

Both were "gifts" but 2001 was way more fucked up becuase Cutler was actually deemed superior by the judges.

[pobrecito]

While I agree that Jay should have won in 2001 by IFBB standards (save for the failed diuretic test), I still personally feel Ronnie should have won.  At first I was wooed by Jay's abs but when I watched the comparisons years later I realized that Ronnie really had him on size.

These threads tell a lot:

http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/showthread.php?t=1526

http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/showthread.php?t=1542

Jay was damn good, but he was "soft but cut" while Ronnie was rock hard.  Ronnie's gut was bad as it normally is, but he was still huge.  Jay had him in calves too of course.

Hard to say who should have won because Jay may have won prejudging but later failed the diuretics test.  How would he have fared if his conditioning wasn't as it was (due to the LASIX)?

honestly, looking at those pictures, solidifies in my mind that Cutler should have won.

The only thing Coleman had on ROnnie had on Jay was Back (much like Yates over Ray, but ray was also 50lbs smaller). Other than back Cutler has him on everything. Hell, even Cutler matched Ronnie's arms that year! Jay was more cut, striated quads, better quad sweep, better calves....plus, Ronnie's gut just pushed it over the top for me. Jay stomach was flat as could be.

[pobrecito]

Had Jay come back to the 2002O with the same exact package as the 2001O they would have had no choice but to give him the sandow. Bet he wishes now he would have competed....only to "improve" but get crushed in 2003

[NeoSeminole]

I don't understand how Jay won the pre-judging. I feel Ronnie looked much better in the side and rear poses.

[pobrecito]

Jay isn't finished posing in those two first pictures.

Also, Jay's back is wider in the back double bi, thicker too. Only thing he loses out on is lower back conditioning. Jay's arms also looked bigger at that contest too.

Ronnie was very, very lucky.

[suckmymuscle]

While I agree that Jay should have won in 2001 by IFBB standards (save for the failed diuretic test), I still personally feel Ronnie should have won.  At first I was wooed by Jay's abs but when I watched the comparisons years later I realized that Ronnie really had him on size.

These threads tell a lot:

http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/showthread.php?t=1526

http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/showthread.php?t=1542

Jay was damn good, but he was "soft but cut" while Ronnie was rock hard.  Ronnie's gut was bad as it normally is, but he was still huge.  Jay had him in calves too of course.

Hard to say who should have won because Jay may have won prejudging but later failed the diuretics test.  How would he have fared if his conditioning wasn't as it was (due to the LASIX)?

  Ok, so let me get this straight: you're saying that Coleman deserved to win despite having lost both the muscularity and symmetry rounds?! Those are the two most important rounds of a bodybuilding contest! All of pre-judging revolves around that! The free posing routine is subjective because it doesen't envolve direct comparisons between the contestants. Furthermore, when you free-pose, you are allowed to play to your strenghs and hide your weaknesses; during the mandatories, you either got it or not! Ronnie lost in 2001. End of story. You could argue that the deserved to win in 2003 on muscularity alone - despite the monter gut and lack of back separations -, but saying that he was a deserving champ, in 2001, is ridiculous! This should not be Mr.Olympia.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

Re-read what I said.  I said Ronnie deserved to win by the IFBB's own guidelines.

In my opinion, Ronnie should have won the muscularity and symmetry rounds, which is why I personally feel he deserved to win - ignoring the actual judging that took place - according to the actual judging, Jay should have won.  I said I didn't agree with the judging.

Ronnie's gut was not as bad in 2003 as you make it out to be.  Check out the DVD and you will see.

 
  Bullshit. Ronnie was aroud 242 lbs, with flat muscles, holding water and still had and still had a abdominal distension. Pathetic. Cutler outweige him and had drier hamstrings and glutes. His back was crisper and had better separtions between the teres major, rhomboids, erectors and latissimus. Even Coleman's quads, traditionally one of his best bodyparts, was a disgrace: in fact, they seemed to combine the lack of cuts of his 2003/4 forms with the size of 1998 and 1999. You're ust another deluded Coleman super-fan.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

Bullshit. Ronnie was aroud 242 lbs, with flat muscles, holding water and still had and still had a abdominal distension. Pathetic. Cutler outweige him and had drier hamstrings and glutes. His back was crisper and had better separtions between the teres major, rhomboids, erectors and latissimus. Even Coleman's quads, traditionally one of his best bodyparts, was a disgrace: in fact, they seemed to combine the lack of cuts of his 2003/4 forms with the size of 1998 and 1999. You're ust another deluded Coleman super-fan.

Are you f*cking kidding me? Your whole post sounds like the rambling of an idiot desparately looking for attention. Ronnie destroys Jay in back, glutes, and hamstrings. Jay doesn't even come close. This is twice now you commented on the rhomboids. I don't think you even know where they are located. If you did, then you would know how dumb you sound b/c you cannot see them.





I feel Ronnie deserved to win the 2001 Mr. Olympia. He looked much better in the side and rear poses. The only bodyparts Jay had Ronnie beat were the abs and quads. Ronnie had better arms, chest, shoulders, traps, lats, glutes, and hamstrings.

[benchthis]

bump for ronnies victory 

[Hulkster]

You're under this mistaken idea that the guy with the smallest waist and best taper is the automatic winner it doesn't work like that lol Arnold had a wider waist than Sergio , Franco vs Zane , Samir had a wider waist than Makkawy , Yates vs Wheeler & Ray , while it certainly helps its NOT a prerequsite.

And Dorian 1993 vs Ronnie 98/99 isn't going to be looking small next to Ronnie.

isn't it funny how when we say:

Ronnie has a smaller waist

or

Ronnie has a superior taper

or

Ronnie is more striated

or

Ronnie is more vascular

or

Ronnie has better arm/quad/delt shape etc.

ND takes each of these advantages in isolation and says:

"well it doesn't matter because no one with the best (insert trait) has ever won a contest based on this alone"

Well duh.

It makes no sense.

Of course no one with the best (whatever) ever won a contest based soley on that trait alone.

But of course what any fool can realize is that these traits are NEVER judged in isolation.

The judges don't look at each trait and make up thier minds.

They look at the whole picture. Each advantage adds one more element of superiority.

ND really has no clue how bodybuilding is judged

And this is really apparent in these attempts to rationalize how dorian would beat ronnie.

maybe if we are using how bodybuilding is judged on mars.

but not here on earth.

All of these superior traits add up to a more pleasing and yet still massive physique that would beat dorian under normal bodybuilding standards.

[Hulkster]

ps


I'm back

[suckmymuscle]

Are you f*cking kidding me? Your whole post sounds like the rambling of an idiot desparately looking for attention. Ronnie destroys Jay in back, glutes, and hamstrings. Jay doesn't even come close. This is twice now you commented on the rhomboids. I don't think you even know where they are located. If you did, then you would know how dumb you sound b/c you cannot see them.





I feel Ronnie deserved to win the 2001 Mr. Olympia. He looked much better in the side and rear poses. The only bodyparts Jay had Ronnie beat were the abs and quads. Ronnie had better arms, chest, shoulders, traps, lats, glutes, and hamstrings.

  NeodrinkmySemen, for the last time, you turd, try to understand this: Ronnie won, in 2001, due to nothing other than protocol. Jay's intercostals and teres majoe was more separated than Ronnie's. Check. Cutler's front quads had more separation than Coleman's. Check. Jay was more muscular overrall than Ronnie...exactly the reason Jay won the muscularity round. Check. Ronnie was flat, holding water and even though he was only 242 lbs, he had a gut distension worst hthan the one he had in 1999, when he was 15 lbs heavier. Ronnie clearly lost the Olympia in 2001, because he lost both rounds of pre-judging, the muscularity and symmetry ones, which are the two most important of the four that decides a bodybuilding contest. Something never saw at any bodybuilding contest before, either at the amateur of professional levels. Ronnie lost; get over it. And yes, the rhomboids are visible, even if not s much as other muscle groups. You and Ronnie lose.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

NeodrinkmySemen, for the last time, you turd, try to understand this: Ronnie won, in 2001, due to nothing other than protocol. Jay's intercostals and teres majoe was more separated than Ronnie's. Check. Cutler's front quads had more separation than Coleman's. Check. Jay was more muscular overrall than Ronnie...exactly the reason Jay won the muscularity round. Check. Ronnie was flat, holding water and even though he was only 242 lbs, he had a gut distension worst hthan the one he had in 1999, when he was 15 lbs heavier. Ronnie clearly lost the Olympia in 2001, because he lost both rounds of pre-judging, the muscularity and symmetry ones, which are the two most important of the four that decides a bodybuilding contest. Something never saw at any bodybuilding contest before, either at the amateur of professional levels. Ronnie lost; get over it. And yes, the rhomboids are visible, even if not s much as other muscle groups. You and Ronnie lose.

Suckmydick, I'm not disputing what the scorecard said. I said I feel Ronnie deserved to win in 2001. I don't care if he was flat or holding water. All that matters in a bodybuilding contest is who looks the best that day. Jay won the front poses, but Ronnie destroyed Jay from the side and back. It wasn't even close. Look at the pics. If Ronnie was holding water, then Jay was holding a damn ocean in his lower back and glutes. And no, the rhomboids are not visible you dumbass. They are hidden by the trapezius muscles.

[suckmymuscle]

Suckmydick, I'm not disputing what the scorecard said. I said I feel Ronnie deserved to win in 2001. I don't care if he was flat or holding water. All that matters in a bodybuilding contest is who looks the best that day. Jay won the front poses, but Ronnie destroyed Jay from the side and back. It wasn't even close. Look at the pics. If Ronnie was holding water, then Jay was holding a damn ocean in his lower back and glutes. And no, the rhomboids are not visible you dumbass. They are hidden by the trapezius muscles.

  Once again, you rape yourself in the ass through sheer ignorance of physiology and how a bodybuiliding contest is judged. You don't care what the scorecards said? Well, then this is only your opinion, with no relevance whatsoever. The fact is that a bodybuilder winning a contest after having lost the two most important rounds is something that had never seen, before or since. I was a disgrace. Ronnie was flat, holding water and had a distended midsection...at a pathetic 242 lbs. That is a fact, you imbecile. No way he won that contest. And yes, Dorian's rhomboids, at his best, were clearly visible. Check out. Oh my, you've just been thoroughly sodomized by yours truly!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

Once again, you rape yourself in the ass through sheer ignorance of physiology and how a bodybuiliding contest is judged. You don't care what the scorecards said? Well, then this is only your opinion, with no relevance whatsoever. The fact is that a bodybuilder winning a contest after having lost the two most important rounds is something that had never seen, before or since. I was a disgrace. Ronnie was flat, holding water and had a distended midsection...at a pathetic 242 lbs. That is a fact, you imbecile. No way he won that contest. And yes, Dorian's rhomboids, at his best, were clearly visible. Check out. Oh my, you've just been thoroughly sodomized by yours truly!

Does anybody understand what this fool is saying?

[suckmymuscle]

Does anybody understand what this fool is saying?

  The worst comeback of all times...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

The worst comeback of all times.

It wasn't meant to be a retort. I simply cannot believe any rational human being could be so clueless as you. I wanted to know if anyone else shares my thoughts. You claim I "rape myself in the ass through my ignorance of physiology," yet I know more about the human body than you ever will. You don't know what you are talking about. Physiology is the study of the functions of living organims and their parts. It has nothing to do with bodybuilding contests, which are judged based on anatomy. You also claim the rhomboids are visible. I showed you why it's impossible to see them b/c they are covered up by the trapezius muscles. Your stupidity is akin to me saying Ronnie's diaphragm has better separation. You haven't sodomized anyone but yourself.

[suckmymuscle]

It wasn't meant to be a retort. I simply cannot believe any rational human being could be so clueless as you. I wanted to know if anyone else shares my thoughts. You claim I "rape myself in the ass through my ignorance of physiology," yet I know more about the human body than you ever will. You don't know what you are talking about. Physiology is the study of the functions of living organims and their parts.

  Oh, and this has nothing to do with bodybuilding? And I'm sorry to tell you this, but anatomy is the basis of physiology. You said the rhomboids are not visible bodyparts; I posted pics of Dorian with his rhomboids clearly showing. It is immaterial to this conversation, but when I wrote "pshysiology", I was including anotomy in it. I know far more about this than you, Semendrinker, so don't pretend I didn't destroy you when I posted the Dorian pics.

It has nothing to do with bodybuilding contests, which are judged based on anatomy. You also claim the rhomboids are visible. I showed you why it's impossible to see them b/c they are covered up by the trapezius muscles. Your stupidity is akin to me saying Ronnie's diaphragm has better separation. You haven't sodomized anyone but yourself.

  The rhomboids are visible, you ignorant ass. The reason why Coleman doesen't have them showing is because his upper back details wen't down the drain, when he ballooned to his grotesque 2003 form. Now I know you enjoy tking it up the ass from me, since you come back for more every time.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Praetor Fenix]

  Oh, and this has nothing to do with bodybuilding? And I'm sorry to tell you this, but anatomy is the basis of physiology. You said the rhomboids are not visible bodyparts; I posted pics of Dorian with his rhomboids clearly showing. It is immaterial to this conversation, but when I wrote "pshysiology", I was including anotomy in it. I know far more about this than you, Semendrinker, so don't pretend I didn't destroy you when I posted the Dorian pics.

  The rhomboids are visible, you ignorant ass. The reason why Coleman doesen't have them showing is because his upper back details wen't down the drain, when he ballooned to his grotesque 2003 form. Now I know you enjoy tking it up the ass from me, since you come back for more every time.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

No, rhomboids aren't visible. They are buried beneath the trapezius.
You are confusing the infraspinatus, which IS visible, for the rhomboids, which ARE NOT visible.
You are referring to the 2 mounds of muscle located on the scapula, no? 
That is the infraspinatus.

Even IF the rhomboids were not hidden under the massive trapezius muscle complex, their shape would be too nondescript to pinpoint for analysis. They are not large enough or close enough to the surface to warrant extensive discussion.

If you took even an introductory anatomy & physiology course in university, you would learn this in the 2nd semester, ~3rd week in laboratory.

[Extreme Muscle]

Damn this is a freaking huge thread!...8100 replies...let me make that 8101

[suckmymuscle]

No, rhomboids aren't visible. They are buried beneath the trapezius.
You are confusing the infraspinatus, which IS visible, for the rhomboids, which ARE NOT visible.
You are referring to the those 2 mounds of muscle located under the scapula, no? 
That is the infraspinatus.

Even IF the rhomboids were not hidden under the massive trapezius muscle complex, their shape would be too nondescript to pinpoint for analysis. They are not close enough to the surface.

If you took even an introductory anatomy & physiology course in university, you would learn this in the 2nd semester, ~3rd week in laboratory.

  No, the rhomboids are visible and my brother, who is an M.D and also a bodybuilding fan, told me tt this is one of the major ingnorances popular among bodybuilding fans: that the you can't see the rhomboids because they're hiden when relaxed. Guess what? When you flex in the back double biceps pose, they slide and you can see them. And don't try to discredit me saying that you learn this in the first year of physiology in college, because you don't know shit about the subject. I almost gasped when I read your analyses about Ronnie's quads; amazing that someone can say so many stupid things at once.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[sculpture]

Does anybody understand what this fool is saying?

Your not alone in this belief.

I dont think anyone can discern what this ghoul tries but fails to articulate.

His posts normally degrade into petty name calling or something equally irrelevant such as :

"You've just been sodomizd by yours truly"

This line makes absolutely no sense whatsoever in the context of this thread.

[Praetor Fenix]

No, the rhomboids are visible and my brother, who is an M.D and also a bodybuilding fan, told me tt this is one of the major ingnorances popular among bodybuilding fans: that the you can't see the rhomboids because they're hiden when relaxed.

Nope, the rhomboids are not visible.
My laboratory professor had a Ph.D. in Neurobiology & Behavior from Cornell University, M.A. in Biology from the University of Oregon, and B.A. in Zoology from UCLA. My professor in lecture had a Ph.D. from the University of Tennessee.

I have seen this fact firsthand (i.e. cadavers), in scholarly publications, my textbooks, lectures, etc. You insult my intelligence by defending your post by merely citing that your brother is an M.D. First off, I doubt that your brother is an MD. You are notorious for making up bold lies.
Most likely you are just attempting to cover your ass for making a stupid mistake and this is what you come up with. Whatever.

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one.  
He is an allopathic practitioner, no? You should know that MD's do not have the same grasp of anatomy as the leading PhD's in the field do, primarily since anatomy is of secondary importance to MDs. Most are concerned primarily with pharmacy and medicine.

Until this "brother" of yours comes up with something concrete to refute my firsthand experience, as well as the testimony of credentialed, highly qualified university professors, I'm going to completely ignore this defense because it is a waste of time.

If you are willing to take an M.D.'s word over an entire university's science department, consisting of respected Ph.D's in anatomy, physiology, biology, etc. then you are retarded.

This isn't something to debate suckmymuscle. The rhomboids aren't visible. Admit you are wrong and move on. This is simple science here, we are no longer in the realm of opinion and intangibles that have defined the past 300 pages of this stupid thread.

Guess what? When you flex in the back double biceps pose, they slide and you can see them. And don't try to discredit me saying that you learn this in the first year of physiology in college, because you don't know shit about the subject. I almost gasped when I read your analyses about Ronnie's quads; amazing that someone can say so many stupid things at once.

No, they don't slide moron. You are making this shit up as you go along.
They are hidden under the trapezius, which is a massive muscle complex.

You are 100% wrong. I've already graduated from university. I used the introductory anatomy course as a reference to attest to the fact that it is YOU who doesn't know shit on this subject.
My point was, even the freshmen would learn in the 2nd semester that you are wrong, so obviously you don't even have 1 full year of science from a real university under your belt or you wouldn't have made that mistaken assumption to begin with.

I'm not even entirely sure you have a college degree (although now I'm sure you'll claim you're a Ph.D. in some inane subject just to try to one-up me, as you always do), and if you do, its obviously not in the life-sciences.

Lastly, the quadriceps debate had nothing to do with science prick.
I knew the 4 muscles of the quadriceps (vastus lateralis, vastus medialis, rectus femoris, and lastly the vastuls intermedius - which is not visible but hidden under the rectus femoris). The rest of the debate pertained entirely to striations, the shape of the muscles, conditioning, preference, balance, etc. etc. i.e. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH SCIENCE.

You try to discredit me by telling me my defense of Ronnie's quadriceps was poor?
Stop bringing up irrelevant shit in a misguided attempt to discredit me.
Our Ronnie v Dorian debate is irrelevant now suckmymuscle.
Fact is, you made a statement that is anatomically impossible UNLESS DORIAN HAD A LARGE PORTION OF HIS TRAPEZIUS SURGICALLY REMOVED.
This has nothing to do with the difference in our tastes and preferences, but with scientific fact, and in your case, scientific ignorance and error.

Just drop it. You are only embarrassing yourself.

[sculpture]

Nope, the rhomboids are not visible.
My laboratory professor had a Ph.D. in Neurobiology & Behavior from Cornell University, M.A. in Biology from the University of Oregon, and B.A. in Zoology from UCLA. My professor in lecture had a Ph.D. from the University of Tennessee.

I have seen this fact firsthand (i.e. cadavers), in scholarly publications, my textbooks, lectures, etc. You insult my intelligence by defending your post by merely citing that your brother is an M.D. First off, I doubt that your brother is an MD. You are notorious for making up bold lies.
Most likely you are just attempting to cover your ass for making a stupid mistake and this is what you come up with. Whatever.

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one.  
He is an allopathic practitioner, no? You should know that MD's do not have the same grasp of anatomy as the leading PhD's in the field do, primarily since anatomy is of secondary importance to MDs. Most are concerned primarily with pharmacy and medicine.

Until this "brother" of yours comes up with something concrete to refute my firsthand experience, as well as the testimony of credentialed, highly qualified university professors, I'm going to completely ignore this defense because it is a waste of time.

If you are willing to take an M.D.'s word over an entire university's science department, consisting of respected Ph.D's in anatomy, physiology, biology, etc. then you are retarded.

This isn't something to debate suckmymuscle. The rhomboids aren't visible. Admit you are wrong and move on. This is simple science here, we are no longer in the realm of opinion and intangibles that have defined the past 300 pages of this stupid thread.

No, they don't slide moron. You are making this shit up as you go along.
They are hidden under the trapezius, which is a massive muscle complex.

You are 100% wrong. I've already graduated from university. I used the introductory anatomy course as a reference to attest to the fact that it is YOU who doesn't know shit on this subject.
My point was, even the freshmen would learn in the 2nd semester that you are wrong, so obviously you don't even have 1 full year of science from a real university under your belt or you wouldn't have made that mistaken assumption to begin with.

I'm not even entirely sure you have a college degree (although now I'm sure you'll claim you're a Ph.D. in some inane subject just to try to one-up me, as you always do), and if you do, its obviously not in the life-sciences.

Lastly, the quadriceps debate had nothing to do with science prick.
I knew the 4 muscles of the quadriceps (vastus lateralis, vastus medialis, rectus femoris, and lastly the vastuls intermedius - which is not visible but hidden under the rectus femoris). The rest of the debate pertained entirely to striations, the shape of the muscles, conditioning, preference, balance, etc. etc. i.e. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH SCIENCE.

You try to discredit me by telling me my defense of Ronnie's quadriceps was poor?
Stop bringing up irrelevant shit in a misguided attempt to discredit me.
Our Ronnie v Dorian debate is irrelevant now suckmymuscle.
Fact is, you made a statement that is anatomically impossible UNLESS DORIAN HAD A LARGE PORTION OF HIS TRAPEZIUS SURGICALLY REMOVED.
This has nothing to do with the difference in our tastes and preferences, but with scientific fact, and in your case, scientific ignorance and error.

Just drop it. You are only embarrassing yourself.

Tremendous.

Watch PF though, i heard suckymyasshole belongs to mensa. He might out smart you on this one. 

[suckmymuscle]

Nope, the rhomboids are not visible.
My laboratory professor had a Ph.D. in Neurobiology & Behavior from Cornell University, M.A. in Biology from the University of Oregon, and B.A. in Zoology from UCLA. My professor in lecture had a Ph.D. from the University of Tennessee.

I have seen this fact firsthand (i.e. cadavers), in scholarly publications, my textbooks, lectures, etc. You insult my intelligence by defending your post by merely citing that your brother is an M.D. First off, I doubt that your brother is an MD. You are notorious for making up bold lies.
Most likely you are just attempting to cover your ass for making a stupid mistake and this is what you come up with. Whatever.

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one.
He is an allopathic practitioner, no? You should know that MD's do not have the same grasp of anatomy as the leading PhD's in the field do, primarily since anatomy is of secondary importance to MDs. Most are concerned primarily with pharmacy and medicine.

Until this "brother" of yours comes up with something concrete to refute my firsthand experience, as well as the testimony of credentialed, highly qualified university professors, I'm going to completely ignore this defense because it is a waste of time.

If you are willing to take an M.D.'s word over an entire university's science department, consisting of respected Ph.D's in anatomy, physiology, biology, etc. then you are retarded.

This isn't something to debate suckmymuscle. The rhomboids aren't visible. Admit you are wrong and move on. This is simple science here, we are no longer in the realm of opinion and intangibles that have defined the past 300 pages of this stupid thread.

No, they don't slide moron. You are making this shit up as you go along.
They are hidden under the trapezius, which is a massive muscle complex.

You are 100% wrong. I've already graduated from university. I used the introductory anatomy course as a reference to attest to the fact that it is YOU who doesn't know shit on this subject.
My point was, even the freshmen would learn in the 2nd semester that you are wrong, so obviously you don't even have 1 full year of science from a real university under your belt or you wouldn't have made that mistaken assumption to begin with.

I'm not even entirely sure you have a college degree (although now I'm sure you'll claim you're a Ph.D. in some inane subject just to try to one-up me, as you always do), and if you do, its obviously not in the life-sciences.

Lastly, the quadriceps debate had nothing to do with science prick.
I knew the 4 muscles of the quadriceps (vastus lateralis, vastus medialis, rectus femoris, and lastly the vastuls intermedius - which is not visible but hidden under the rectus femoris). The rest of the debate pertained entirely to striations, the shape of the muscles, conditioning, preference, balance, etc. etc. i.e. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH SCIENCE.

You try to discredit me by telling me my defense of Ronnie's quadriceps was poor?
Stop bringing up irrelevant shit in a misguided attempt to discredit me.

Just drop it. You are only embarrassing yourself.

  Ok, first of all, f**k you. Secondly, you don't know shit about anything. Yoy try to make yourself look smart by using pseudo-scientific language, which only makes you look pedantic in a pathetic way. The romboids are visible. End of story. And I would like you to post evidence for all the things you said. I want to see the diplomas of all your professors, the papers they have published on these subjects and how these fields relate to a discussion on a bodybuilding subject. I won't believe your crock of shit like so many here do. Unlike you, I actually have three university degrees. You're a college student, right? This means you have no degrees whatsofuckingever, dickhead. Narcissistic already suggested that I should just ignore you, such is the idiocy of the things you write, such as that "muscle maturity" is part of the judging criteria, that Ronnie's distened midsection is not a liability in the symmetry round, that symmetry is defined as the proportions between the left and right sides of the body, etc, etc, ad infinitum. I can't stand your drivel and sad attempts at erudiction on subjects you have no clue about. Try to preserve some of your self-respect and shut the f**k up, because you've embarassed yourself even more than Huckster throughout this thread.

SUCKMYMUSCLE