LOL ND you are a moron.
You go on about how I 'came to the conclusion" yet YOU have yet to answer to how you can IGNORE all the flaws Yates has and still maintain he was so perfect enough to get such devine scores.
Secondly, Mr. "Yates has better Arms Than Ronnie", my assertion that he was overrated has pretty much been accepted by most people who had read this thead.
Wether he was the MOST overrated ever is debatable, but given that he won 6 Mr. O's with such incredible scores, given that most NATIONAL level competitors had better arms and quads and striations, makes it highly likely.
Oh, and 12 different judges my ass.
just ask Mr. Shawn Ray about that one..same judges for years and years.
You want to know how Dorian recieved almost perfect scores? a few reasons he was the biggest and best conditioned man in the show , its easy to be shredded at 200lbs but extremely hard to be totaly dry at 260lbs key word totaly dry
Ronnie 1998 was totally dry at 249lbs and had excellent size a great combo which in my opinion he hasn't been able to replicate with maybe the exception of the 2001 ASC , in 1999 he was fuller at 257lbs but he wasn't as dry but not that far off , the heavier Ronnie got the more his conditioning suffered , mind you he could still be somewhat dry in areas of his body and still carrying excess water in others , his arms are always dry and well defined no matter what weight it is but the heavier he gets the more water he retains in his torso and legs
Dorian on the other hand even at high bodyweight never had a problem with excess water he was extremely dry at 239lbs when he competed with Haney and just as dry at 257lbs and as high as 270lbs in 1997 , in 1997 his problem was a big gut and torn muscles NOT conditioning , Dorian has had clearly visable abdominals and x-mas tree at 300lbs !!
Dorian does have flaws no doubt but you're melodramatic in stating them at his best besides thick obliques when totaly relaxed , but all his flaws are minimized at his best , you claim NO Arms its nonsense , same with the smooth quads , Dorian did have oddly shaped upper quad seperation but NOT to the point of it being a liability reguardless of what you think
Dorian has a great muscle balance & proportion , he simply looks better in most of the mandatory poses , while looking better from the sides and the back compared to the front , when he hits the mandatory poses he simply looks better than most other people ( at his best ) the front double biceps pose isn't a really strong pose for him ( the 93 B&Ws is the exception ) but he owns the front latspread and the abdominal & thigh , he simply owns the side chest , side triceps , his back double biceps is great despite the lack of highpeaked biceps , and his rear latspread is outstanding
You keep trying to hold Yates to your interpretation of what the criteria is and what you find desireable & should be awarded , that doesn't apply to Yates , Dorian never won because of aesthetics , he won because he was the biggest ,the densest , the best conditioned and most proportionate , he simply looked better in most of the mandatory poses , so just because you don't get it the judges did and they decide who wins and who doesn't
And your assesment that he being the most overrated is debatable is laughable and you're trying to get out of that statement because even you realize how absurd it is !! its not debateable in the least and for you to even mention it still shows your ignorance , and again you make baseless claims like
Secondly, Mr. "Yates has better Arms Than Ronnie", my assertion that he was overrated has pretty much been accepted by most people who had read this thead.
again you love to cling to this theory that if a lot of people agree with you then that means you're all somehow right , you tell me I rely on numbers but its YOU who seeks comfort in numbers , biased opinions don't mean anything when confronted by 6 years of almost perfect scores by the opinions of the people who matter the JUDGES not by ignorant fans
And Shawn complained about the judges when things didn't go his way ( something Lee Labrada never did ) Shawn was in the sport at the wrong time ( same with Labrada ) one part of the criteria is muscular bulk and when confronted with men weighing 50 -100lbs more than his his lack of muscular bulk and stature were a liability , should it hacve been? who knows but lets comment on what was and NOT what some would have liked it to be
So you're still ignorant to the judging criteria , still ignorant to Yates greatness and still stuck on stupid but thank God you have me here to constantly correct you.
