Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hulkster its so easy to prove you wrong 


Quote Peter McGough Flex Magazine Jan 2001

RONNIE COLEMAN : ( 264lbs As big as a house , but holding water. In '98 , he was shredded and bone dry at 250 pounds. Last year ( 1999 ) he was 257 pounds but NOT as sharp as '98. This year ( 2000 ) at 264 pounds , he's not as sharp as 99 , which would seem to say that Ronnie is better at a lighter weight .

couple that with Yates saying the same thing and you have nothing to work with !! I know you think your right with your slanted picture comparisons but who's word should we take on this matter ? Peter McGough who was at every Mr Olympia in question , who has a vast knowledge and love for the sport the Editor of a major bodybuilding publication , who was face-to-face with the people in question , and Dorian Yates a 6 time consecutive Mr Olympia with a vast knowledge of bodybuilding , who was face-to-face with Ronnie Coleman , who is also known as a no-bullshit type of bodybuilder , again who's word should we take? lets see McGough and Yates or some internet-fan-boy who constantly and consistantly proven his ignorance of how bodybuilding contests are judge , what the IFBB judging criteria is and how to apply it , who sees what he wants to ( Ronnie is better balanced than Yates , and has better detail in his calves  ) Hulkster you really dropped the ball on this one , you've reached new levels of arrogance in thinking you know something more than bases on people who were there , as far as this matter in concerned its a dead issue its not open for debate and you have nothing to work with.

I'm willing to debate you on subjective matters but to say you know more that educated eye witnesses is just plain stupid and I wont entertain that nonsense. 

[Hulkster]

so what you are saying is that i should disregard the last 20 comparison pics because of someone's opinion made in error?

LOOK AT THE PICS

this is bodybuilding competition.

not philosophy.

[pumpster]

FYI Flex, Peter McGough and Iron Age are all figures of authority to some sheep followers here.  Proxies for independant thought. 

[Mussolini]

  I never said it was flat reatard; I said it is infinitely flatter than Ronnie's. Get it?

  Do you even know if his assertion is correct? No, what are bragging about?

  Ok, first of all, I never said that Dorian's arms were 52 cm. I said they were 52 or 53 centimeters. That makes it clear that I was refering to Dorian's arms at or around 21". Was it accurate? No. Was it close enough? Most defnitely. Again: 23" - 21" = 2". Again, I like to see the source where you got the information that Dorian's arms were 20". Let's see. I'm waiting.

  So what that you can only add that to each side? It makes a huge visual difference! Dorian might have had only 2 inches more than Shawn Ray to each side, and his lats spread much wider. Besides, it is simply not relevant that most muscle mass increase in the lats occurs in the lower part, since most visual lat width growth occurs in the upper part. Also, if my assumption is correct, namely, that Dorian's lats were bigger than Ronnie's, then Dorian's lats must be wider than Ronnie's. And even if that difference is infinitesimal, it still proves my assertion: that Dorian's lats were wider. I think that Ronnie's smaller waist makes it appear as if his lats are wider than they really are. Regardless, visual appearance of width is not the same as mathematical advantage in width.

  Since I never claimed otherwise, and since this is simply not relevant to the discussion anyway, you have no point here. Again, let's search the database to see if there's a single post of mine where I state that the upper part of the lats grow as much in terms of muscle mass as the middle and lower parts. I said that the upper part grows as much visually as the lower part of the lats. I was never talking about muscle tissue in the first place. Stop pretending like you owned me when in reality I never claimed what you said I did.

  You can't control the variables. Have you accounted for scale, lighting, the visual taper effect and Ronnie's rounder muscle shape? What makes you think that your estimate is reliable? Do you admit the possibility that you might be wrong? Again, I deduced that, since Dorian weighted the same as Ronnie despite being shorter and dryer, and also that Ronnie's quads were obviously bigger, then it is possible do to the fact that his lats are bigger. I never said I was right, only that it was a reasonable assumption. The only way to know for sure would be to measure their lats, but this is not possible.

  Since the words sound brutally the same - although ortographically and semantically different -, it is a honest mistake. Do you want me to search your posts and point out your spelling mistakes? Warning: you won't have time to edit all of them.

SUCKMYMUSCLE


 

OWNED

[NeoSeminole]

OWNED

ha ha ha, retard. You're quick to pat Sucky on the ass without reading my responses. He could make shit up, and you would still say "owned." The reason I didn't bother to respond to his post is b/c he agreed with me earlier. In fact, his whole post is nothing more than a strawman attempt to make himself look like the victor. Sucky is delusional in that he thinks by getting the last word in, somehow this makes him correct. I could say "2 + 2 = 4" and he would still type a marathon post saying "no, 2 + 2 = 4."

[IceCold]

More proving of ND and Peter M. wrong:

there was no real difference:


how many hundreds of 98 vs 99 pics will have to be posted to convince ND that Peter M. was wrong and that the hardness was equal?

so, now the editor and chief of the world's premier magazine is wrong???

have you ever thought that your opinion of the pics is wrong?

you trully have lost it.  its like the day after the 06 olympia all over again for you. 

[IceCold]

no, your fellow guy IceCold is:

he is trying to say that all of the advantages Ronnie 99 had over dorian was always there when Ronnie faced dorian during the mid 90's

 

and of course, nothing could be farther from the truth:

the detail was there. but the full shape and mass were not.  And he suffered in terms of placings greatly for it.  

Ronnie's frame looked weird when he was smaller.

did not look good at all.

i take part of what i said back.

not the early 90's, but the later 90's.  like in 96 and 97.

during those years, coleman competed at over 250 lbs.

in 98, he was below 250 lbs.

also, he won a show in 95, placed in the top 6 in virtually every show he competed in (except the Olympia).

you act like coleman never placed in any shows.  when in reality, he was a good pro. 

this is just another ploy for your argument, and like usual, you're wrong. 

[sculpture]

i take part of what i said back.

not the early 90's, but the later 90's.  like in 96 and 97.

during those years, coleman competed at over 250 lbs.

in 98, he was below 250 lbs.

also, he won a show in 95, placed in the top 6 in virtually every show he competed in (except the Olympia).

you act like coleman never placed in any shows.  when in reality, he was a good pro. 

this is just another ploy for your argument, and like usual, you're wrong. 

You've sat there and typed your nonsense completely ignoring the visual evidence.

Your post means nothing.

[RocketSwitch625]

More proving of ND and Peter M. wrong:

there was no real difference:


how many hundreds of 98 vs 99 pics will have to be posted to convince ND that Peter M. was wrong and that the hardness was equal?

 

But not wrong when he said that Coleman had the best back of all time. LOL

[RocketSwitch625]

Ronnie, looking good in 2005:

Probably the best pic of Coleman hitting the front lat spread but why not show the calves? And what's with the pantomime posing trunks?

Pwned. LOL

[IceCold]

You've sat there and typed your nonsense completely ignoring the visual evidence.

Your post means nothing.

i havent ignored the visual evidence.

you just settled it right there.

my interpreation of the pictures is different than yours. 

you have your opinion.  i have mine. 

i also have quotes and scores from the judges and quotes from bodybuilders who competed against dorian and ronnie.

all you have is your opinion.

WHY IS THIS CONCEPT SO FUCKING HARD TO UNDERSTAND?  IF YOU ARE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING AOBUT A PICTURE, HAVE SOMETHING TO BACK IT UP WITH.  AND YOUR FUCKING OPINION AINT GOOD ENOUGH

[RocketSwitch625]

Another legitimate comparison:

[pumpster]

Rocketdweeb's on here late afternoons after getting back from HS, desperately trying to get attention with silly pics.

[Hulkster]

i havent ignored the visual evidence.

you just settled it right there.

my interpreation of the pictures is different than yours. 

you have your opinion.  i have mine. 

i also have quotes and scores from the judges and quotes from bodybuilders who competed against dorian and ronnie.

all you have is your opinion.

WHY IS THIS CONCEPT SO FUCKING HARD TO UNDERSTAND?  IF YOU ARE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING AOBUT A PICTURE, HAVE SOMETHING TO BACK IT UP WITH.  AND YOUR FUCKING OPINION AINT GOOD ENOUGH

but IceCold, you say that in your opinion Ronnie was harder in 98 than in 99.

but I have posted numous sets of comparison pics that show no real difference.

everyone can see that.

your interpretion of the comparisons is incorrect:

LOOK:

[Hulkster]

there is no difference!

[pobrecito]

but IceCold, you say that in your opinion Ronnie was harder in 98 than in 99.

but I have posted numous sets of comparison pics that show no real difference.

everyone can see that.

your interpretion of the comparisons is incorrect:

LOOK:

You sitting here posting pictures is in no way comprable to actually being there live, and 10 feet away.

If Dorian and Peter said Ronnie was more conditioned in 98, then that is the final word. Get over it.

[pumpster]

ha ha ha, retard. You're quick to pat Sucky on the ass without reading my responses. He could make shit up, and you would still say "owned." The reason I didn't bother to respond to his post is b/c he agreed with me earlier. In fact, his whole post is nothing more than a strawman attempt to make himself look like the victor. Sucky is delusional in that he thinks by getting the last word in, somehow this makes him correct. I could say "2 + 2 = 4" and he would still type a marathon post saying "no, 2 + 2 = 4."

Of course. "Owned" without proof has lost all meaning except to morons who have devalued it.

[pumpster]

so, now the editor and chief of the world's premier magazine is wrong???

have you ever thought that your opinion of the pics is wrong?

you trully have lost it.  its like the day after the 06 olympia all over again for you. 

The mag also put out one of the worst "best aesthetics" lists i've ever seen-ever occur to you not to regard them as gods?

[pumpster]

You've sat there and typed your nonsense completely ignoring the visual evidence.

Your post means nothing.

Why, do they need evidence? hahaahahahahahahahah

[Hulkster]

the problem with your insistance that Peter M. is right in regards to ronnie's 98 vs 99 dryness is that there is NOTHING to SUPPORT his claims.


only evidence AGAINST IT:

If I were to try and convince you that the background colour of this message board is black would you take my word for it even though you can clearly see it is pale yellow?

of course not.

and this is what you are expecting us to do, and you are saying we are crazy for not doing it.

again, no difference, even in the back:

[pobrecito]

the problem with your insistance that Peter M. is right in regards to ronnie's 98 vs 99 dryness is that there is NOTHING to SUPPORT his claims.

Actually there is. Peter and Dorian hold a lot more credibility in their words than you do simply for the fact that they were there. Why would they lie about it? Plus, their thoughts were confirmed when I watched both of the videos. Ronnie was clearly more conditioned, esp. from the back, in 98.

[pumpster]

i havent ignored the visual evidence.

you just settled it right there.

my interpreation of the pictures is different than yours. 

you have your opinion.  i have mine. 

Besides misspelling interpretation, you've also repeatedly demonstrated strikingly selective criteria which goes well beyond opinion. All that matters to you is "density" & "conditioning"-in other words, anything that favors your hero. The other 30 criterion that he fails miserably on are swept under the rug, sloughed off as "your opinion". hahahahaahahahahahahahah

[pobrecito]

Besides misspelling interpretation, you've also repeatedly demonstrated strikingly selective criteria which goes well beyond opinion. All that matters to you is "density" & "conditioning"-in other words, anything that favors your hero. The other 30 criterion that he fails miserably on are swept under the rug, sloughed off as "your opinion". hahahahaahahahahahahahah

Please list the 30 criterion.

As well, after losing in muscular bulk and density and conditioning, Ronnie cannot overcome that. Dorian Yates was Jesus Christ himself on a bodybuilding stage....this was confirmed by the intellectual master known as Paul Dillet

[pumpster]

Please list the 30 criterion.

As well, after losing in muscular bulk and density and conditioning, Ronnie cannot overcome that. Dorian Yates was Jesus Christ himself on a bodybuilding stage....this was confirmed by the intellectual master known as Paul Dillet

More important would be to see him address any other areas than the 2-3 he likes to dwell on; we've already gone through the rest many times over.

As well, after losing in muscular bulk and density and conditioning, Ronnie cannot overcome that. Dorian Yates was Jesus Christ himself on a bodybuilding stage....this was confirmed by the intellectual master known as Paul Dillet

Yates himself disagrees with Dillet's assessment. 

As far as muscular bulk, cuts, shape, etc. there is only one winner here, and it's not Yates.

[pobrecito]

More important would be to see him address any other areas than the 2-3 he likes to dwell on; we've already gone through the rest many times over.

But, the real question is whether those advantages Dorian has are enough to overcome Ronnie's advantages. I believe they are, whereas you do not.