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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15225 on: November 30, 2006, 05:36:53 AM »
Nohting against Dorain but Ronnie took size to a new level there. Mighty impressive.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15226 on: November 30, 2006, 05:57:13 AM »
Nohting against Dorain but Ronnie took size to a new level there. Mighty impressive.

yup




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15227 on: November 30, 2006, 06:46:14 AM »
damn it is embarassing when you compare dorian's mm to Ronnie's! 8)


not quite as embarrasing as when you compare ronnie's side tri and abs and thigh to dorian.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15228 on: November 30, 2006, 06:48:34 AM »
you can try and debate Ronnie and dorian's arm measurements all you want but this fact is undisputable:

If nasser's arms made dorians look small onstage, Ronnie's would do the same
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they did do the same.

every year they competed against each other.

every year that coleman wasnt even given a fucking callout against dorian.

ronnie's arms didnt matter then against dorian, and it wouldnt matter now.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15229 on: November 30, 2006, 06:51:16 AM »
Since ND keeps bringing up McGough's credibility and obvious reverence for him:


DEC 06 FLEX, PETER MCGOUGH p. 114:




"Ronnie Coleman, with the best back in BB history.."

Thanks Pete, your words have just helped destroy one of the only remaining areas under serious contention....


ronnie coleman:  "dorian yates has the best back and side chest pose of all time".


i dont know the exact issue of FLEX that was in, sometime in 2003.

i will check later just to prove you wrong. 

but like everything else, you'll just ignore and post the 94 black and white relaxed pic of dorian. 
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15230 on: November 30, 2006, 06:57:39 AM »
not quite as embarrasing as when you compare ronnie's side tri and abs and thigh to dorian.

note: I did not make these comparsions. I found them.




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15231 on: November 30, 2006, 06:59:10 AM »
hulkster,


you've done this throught this entire thread.

you are trying to compare pics of different quality to make your pointless point.

you're comparing pics of ronnie from the january 98 issue of FLEX to screen shots from the 99 Olympia.

of course they are going to be different.  

just look at how much better dorian looks in the screen shot from 93 vs. the pic scanned from a magazine.

i have the tape (espn's broadcast) and coleman was in better shape in 98 - he was dryer, and had more striations in his glutes and hamstrings.  his color was darker and he had more oil on.

in 99, he was fuller, his color wasnt as dark and he cleary wasnt as dry.  

however, in both years, he BARELY beat flex.

you always have the stupid remark "add 30 lbs. to flex and you have ronnie".

flex at his best would have beaten ronnie.  everyone knew it then - even ronnie.  he was off and ALMOST beat him.

flex was at his best in 93 and didnt even come close to beating dorian.

in fact, flex called him "untouchable" that year.  (yes pumpster we all know about the sergio quote).

so why the fuck would you think ronnie would beat dorian when he barely beat the guys that dorian crushed?


(that was said 300 pages ago, but you keep ignoring it).  

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15232 on: November 30, 2006, 07:10:35 AM »
you always say how dorian never faced anyone like ronnie - someone with size, a back, details, etc.

you claim that it would have been a repeat of what happened in 1991.

maybe. maybe not.

HOWEVER,

ronnie in his prime never faced anyone like dorian.

(we all know what happened when ronnie competed against dorian in HIS prime.  i mean its not like coleman was even anywhere close.  never anymore than 5 places away from dorian -96 Olympia when dorian got 1st - again with a perfect score and coleman got 6th).

ronnie in 03 and 04 would have the size advantage over dorian.  but jay culter was only a few points away from beating coleman in those years.  so you see how unimportant ronnie's weight actually was.

but in every other year, ronnie never faced anyone with comparable size, someone who had a back that was better or at least equal with ronnie - flex's was and despite being smaller and well off conditioning wise almost beat ronnie TWICE.  dorian has greater density and is in better condition.

coleman never faced anyone like that. 

coleman's main competition was jay cutler - a guy that was big, but not very hard and had a relatively weak back - the total opposite of dorian.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15233 on: November 30, 2006, 09:40:30 AM »
  I never agreed with you, dumbass. Let's recapitulate: you claimed that I said something that I never did. I never said that the lats grow more in the upper part in terms of muscle mass, but rather visually. You would have owned me if I had said that the as much muscle tissue is added to the upper lats as to the middle and lower one. You made a charge that I'm willing to prove wrong. As Cicero would say it, the burden of proof lies with those who make the accusation. Again, let's get Ron to search the board's database - because I can't edit my posts there -, and, if he finds a post where I especifically wrote that the upper lats grow as much in terms of muscle mass as the lower part, then I will apologize to you and agree that I was mistaken. The thing is, yous see, that deep down you know I never said that, and you keep insisting on it because that would be the only claim you'd have for having owned me. ;)

  Ugh...So  now is 23" - 21" not equal to 2". ::) You picked at straws by making a big deal out of half an inch, and it is clear that I said that the article where Dorian's arms measurement appeared said either 52 centimeters or 53. The fact is that I don't recall if it was one or the other. The bottom line is that either 52 or 53 cm are pretty fucking close to 21". And furthermore, I'm still waiting for your proof that Dorian's arms were 20.5". You lost the argument completely, but I will allow you to feel better about yourself by just typing that I'm delusional and that I said something I never did in the first place. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15234 on: November 30, 2006, 09:41:34 AM »
  And by the way, NeoSperminole, continue to insist that I was wrong and you were right about the lat thing, and I will continue to re-post that I never said what you claimed I did. I never said that the upper part of the lats grows as much in terms of muscle tissue added in the upper part as in the lower; when I wrote that, I was talking about visual growth, so nothing that I wrote was wrong. You just claimed I did. Make the claim again, and I will re-post this reply again; make the claim another 300 times, and I will re-post it 300 times to ad infinitum.

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  And to this one.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15235 on: November 30, 2006, 09:54:37 AM »

ronnie coleman:  "dorian yates has the best back and side chest pose of all time".


i dont know the exact issue of FLEX that was in, sometime in 2003.

i will check later just to prove you wrong. 

but like everything else, you'll just ignore and post the 94 black and white relaxed pic of dorian. 


"Icecold" consistently getting it wrong, as proven earlier with his repeatedly selective, arbitrary & limited judging criteria for Yates:

It's McGough who's been referenced  by "camp Yates" as the  last word on the subject.


McGOUGH's statement, Flex mag now on the stands:


"Coleman with the best back in BB history".



Peter McGough, Flex Dec. 06 p. 114.

This is ND's reference PETER MCGOUGH talking..hahahaahahahaha hahahha

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15236 on: November 30, 2006, 11:58:24 AM »
How come he has one leg back to show off the calves and hams when his legs are completely covered? Monster intelligence. LOL


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15238 on: November 30, 2006, 12:33:28 PM »

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15239 on: November 30, 2006, 12:35:21 PM »

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« Reply #15240 on: November 30, 2006, 12:36:08 PM »

"Icecold" consistently getting it wrong, as proven earlier with his repeatedly selective, arbitrary & limited judging criteria for Yates:

It's McGough who's been referenced  by "camp Yates" as the  last word on the subject.


McGOUGH's statement, Flex mag now on the stands:"Coleman with the best back in BB history".

This is ND's reference PETER MCGOUGH talking..hahahaahahahaha hahahha

yeah, but when he said ronnie is at his best at a lighter bw, like the 2001 AC at like 245.

ronnie would get crushed at that weight.

then pete is ignored, but when he says something about ronnie over dorian, he is revered.

and for the record, it is very close between the 2 for best back.

i'd give the slight edge to ronnie in back double bi, slight edge to dorian in lat spread.

i'd give dorian the edge in the pose with the arms tucked in close by the waist displaying the xmas tree.

so i'd give dorian 2 out of the 3 back poses.

are there any more that you can think of?
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15241 on: November 30, 2006, 01:09:57 PM »
I never agreed with you, dumbass. Let's recapitulate: you claimed that I said something that I never did. I never said that the lats grow more in the upper part in terms of muscle mass, but rather visually. You would have owned me if I had said that the as much muscle tissue is added to the upper lats as to the middle and lower one. You made a charge that I'm willing to prove wrong. As Cicero would say it, the burden of proof lies with those who make the accusation. Again, let's get Ron to search the board's database - because I can't edit my posts there -, and, if he finds a post where I especifically wrote that the upper lats grow as much in terms of muscle mass as the lower part, then I will apologize to you and agree that I was mistaken. The thing is, yous see, that deep down you know I never said that, and you keep insisting on it because that would be the only claim you'd have for having owned me.

here's what you said earlier.

"You can add 20 lbs of muscle tissue to you lats and you'd still not gain 4 inches to each side."

this is what I've been trying to convey to you the whole time. I never said lat width is not measured using the upper part of the lats. My point is that you cannot add more than 3-4 inches each side, which means the difference between Dorian and Ronnie when they weighed the same was negligable. You even said yourself that a person can add 20 lbs of muscle to each lat and only gain 4 inches per side. This is why Ronnie in 03 was only slightly wider than Dorian who weighed 30 lbs less.

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Ugh...So  now is 23" - 21" not equal to 2". You picked at straws by making a big deal out of half an inch, and it is clear that I said that the article where Dorian's arms measurement appeared said either 52 centimeters or 53. The fact is that I don't recall if it was one or the other. The bottom line is that either 52 or 53 cm are pretty fucking close to 21". And furthermore, I'm still waiting for your proof that Dorian's arms were 20.5". You lost the argument completely, but I will allow you to feel better about yourself by just typing that I'm delusional and that I said something I never did in the first place.

here is the exact quote where you said Dorian's arms were 52 cm.

Ronnie himself, FLEX and Jim Schmaltz reported that Ronnie had 24" arms onstage at the 2003 Olympia. Considering that he was over 280 lbs, it's believable; I'll take it de facto evidence of his arm size. And the British Muscle&Fitness magazine repoted that Dorian's right arm flexed tapered at 52 centimeters in circumference for the 1995 Olympia. That's about 21".

52 cm = 20.47" (there's your proof)

After I called you out for rounding up to 21", you suddenly change your story - "umm, I never said Dorian's arms were 52 cm. I said they were either 52 or 53 cm. I'm not sure" ::)

I also highlighted the part where you said Ronnie's arms were 24" at the 03 Mr. Olympia. However, you claim that his arms were only 2" larger. Let's do the math. I'll even round up Dorian's arms to 21" to make it easier for you. 24 - 21 = 3 which is greater than 2. Once again, you have owned no one but yourself.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15242 on: November 30, 2006, 01:36:07 PM »
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"Icecold" consistently getting it wrong, It's McGough who's been referenced  by "camp Yates" as the  last word on the subject.

McGOUGH's statement, Flex mag now on the stands:"Coleman with the best back in BB history".

yeah, but when he said ronnie is at his best at a lighter bw, like the 2001 AC at like 245.


Icecold, master of rationalizations. Weak.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15243 on: November 30, 2006, 01:38:14 PM »
How come he has one leg back to show off the calves and hams when his legs are completely covered? Monster intelligence. LOL



Rocketdweeb worried about leg posing when the post was entirely in regards to confirmation of Peter's McGough's quite accurate statement regarding Coleman's all-time best back development. Dweeb's brilliance continues, unabated. hahahahahahahaha

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15244 on: November 30, 2006, 01:39:34 PM »
The most muscular is the one pose that always wins contests. Without doubt the guy with the best MM always wins. That is why some contests have a separate award for it. OK Wankster? ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15245 on: November 30, 2006, 01:41:49 PM »
The most muscular is the one pose that always wins contests. Without doubt the guy with the best MM always wins. That is why some contests have a separate award for it. OK Hulkster?

Talk about walking into a door..pics worth a thousand words:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15246 on: November 30, 2006, 01:44:08 PM »
Talk about walking into a door..pics worth a thousand words:

You only ever post pics of your bum chum hitting the MM (his best pose).

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15247 on: November 30, 2006, 01:47:15 PM »
Talk about walking into a door..pics worth a thousand words:

Wankster is so intelligent that he can't even sense sarcasm.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15248 on: November 30, 2006, 01:49:17 PM »
Coleman is just being slaughtered here


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15249 on: November 30, 2006, 01:50:17 PM »