Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL, can anyone believe this moron? He types his bullshyt and thinks he owns someone. The comparisons are as close as they can be. Stop whining. You keep saying the same shyt over and over. Get over it.

Since Ronnie became an 8 Time Mr. O champ, post 5 quotes stating that yates is the best bodybuilder of All-Time. Well if yates was so dominant, post some quotes from bodybuilders, experts, writers, judges, photographers etc. stating that he was. That's all you have to do to prove me wrong. I have many stating that Ronnie is the most dominant.

8 Mr. O titles,
Most contest wins ever
Most contest wins in a row
4 physiques considered the greatest (Mr. O 98, 99, 03, ASC 01, which I have quotes for)
You can't counter this. Now shut up and go back into your hole.

So now Peter's quote only means for Ronnie's time? LOL, you' are a complete joke. Everyone knows (even ND) that Peter's quote means "All-Time". Stop trying to change things you incompetent fool. If yates was so good and "unbeatable", he would of said it, but he said it about Ronnie. Peter specifically speaks about yates and Ronnie in the same damn sentence, but yet he mentioned Ronnie as unbeatable, not yates. Here is the exact quote moron (Note that this quote is from 2005):

Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005

"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable and would make any criticisms as redundant as a chocolate squat rack."

LOL, you're quick to claim you owned someone, where in fact you just got OWNED.

LOL, can anyone believe this moron? He types his bullshyt and thinks he owns someone. The comparisons are as close as they can be. Stop whining. You keep saying the same shyt over and over. Get over it.

Your comparisons suck period they are NOT as close as they can be , not when Dorian and Ronnie's calves are practically the same size and they have the same size waists your comparisons are wishful thinking on your behalf

Since Ronnie became an 8 Time Mr. O champ, post 5 quotes stating that yates is the best bodybuilder of All-Time. Well if yates was so dominant, post some quotes from bodybuilders, experts, writers, judges, photographers etc. stating that he was. That's all you have to do to prove me wrong. I have many stating that Ronnie is the most dominant.

8 Mr. O titles,
Most contest wins ever
Most contest wins in a row
4 physiques considered the greatest (Mr. O 98, 99, 03, ASC 01, which I have quotes for)
You can't counter this. Now shut up and go back into your hole.

Flex Magazine Jan 1999

Ernie Taylor

" When I saw Ronnie Coleman backstage before the prejudging , it was looking at ' three-D ' again. He looked fantastic. But I think if Dorian ( Yates ) were competing he would have won the show . "



Lee Priest

HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?

I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.


Flex magazine October 2003 from Mike Matarazzo about Dorian

DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: The ultimate warrior. A straight-up no-bulls-t bodybuilder. He backed up everything with his physique. He silenced his critics with action. He bowed out at the end of his career with grace and style. He may go down in history as the greatest bodybuilder of all time.


 Q. This is my last question for you Ronnie, and it's quite "hypothetical" but I believe it is a good one. Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lee Haney, and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?

R.C. Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win... but I couldn't have beat them in their hey days.

all of these are from when Ronnie won his Olympia titles , and I usually stay away from these type of quotes because its on a subjective topic it doesn't mean anything but don't make the mistake of clinging on to them as proof of Ronnie is better

Ronnie is NOT the most dominant Mr Olympia ever thats a provable lie he won just 3 of his eight Olympia titles with straight firsts ( dominating his competition ) the other 5 were close or relatively close

Ronnie 1998 - his first Mr Olympia win when ironically he was in his best overall condition ever , Ronnie himself  said this was his best Olympia showing , what happens? he barely and I mean just barely beat Flex Wheeler in one of the closest Mr Olympia contests ever , still to this day ! 3 points ...........3 points !

Ronnie 1999 - despite not being as well conditioned as 1998 won with straight firsts dominated his competition

Ronnie 2000 - despite being even more off from 98 and 99 won with straight firsts dominating his competition

Ronnie 2001 - another very close call for Mr Coleman lost the whole prejudging and ' won ' in the posing rounds almost tied his record for closest Mr Olympia ever

Ronnie 2002 - you figured he's learn his lesson from 01 but he was off and left the door open for Levrone to win both posing rounds , Ronnie won by a tad wider margin 9 points

Ronnie 2003 - got made and got huge , dominated the competition

Ronnie 2004 - won by just 3 points

Ronnie 2005 - won more convincingly by 16 points but its not a straight firsts victory and he lost the challenge round to Gustavo

3 straight firsts victories over 8 years thats not dominate even at his best

Now compare that to Dorian Yates and in 6 years as Mr Olympia he won almost every single one with straight first victories with the exception of 1994 in which he won ALL ROUNDS but one of the posing rounds he didn't win it with a straight first thats total domination and total domination over a much higher caliber of field to boot !

Ronnie has the most career wins this is true , however lets look close at his win/loss ratio he entered 66 professional contests and won 26 of them thats a win/loss ratio of just 39%

Dorian Yates entered 17 professional contests and won 15 of them for a win/loss ratio of 88% he never once place below second place and his competition was much higher caliber than Ronnie

So just based on that its obvious who is the most dominant Mr Olympia and the most dominant bodybuilder of all time , Ronnie has more wins because he competed 92 - 07 he had a lot more chances Dorian competed from 90-97 his career was ended by injuries

So now Peter's quote only means for Ronnie's time? LOL, you' are a complete joke. Everyone knows (even ND) that Peter's quote means "All-Time". Stop trying to change things you incompetent fool. If yates was so good and "unbeatable", he would of said it, but he said it about Ronnie. Peter specifically speaks about yates and Ronnie in the same damn sentence, but yet he mentioned Ronnie as unbeatable, not yates. Here is the exact quote moron (Note that this quote is from 2005):

Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005

"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable and would make any criticisms as redundant as a chocolate squat

Flex Magazine September 2005

Peter McGough

On July 4, I found myself in conversation with Lou Ferrigno. No, we weren't talking about Paul Revere and Mad King George; instead, with the 2005 Olympia Weekend looming like a Ronnie Coleman lat spread, the Hulk wanted to know who I thought was the best-ever Mr. Olympia. My response was that it was impossible to choose. All any athlete--in any sport--can do is become the best in his era, and it is futile to try to compare champions from different eras.

Its IMPOSSIBLE TO CHOOSE did you catch that sport? Oh snap what did he just say? My response was that it was impossible to choose. did you just read that? because I did 

so just when you thought you made some sort of progress you got knocked back into last week .

[RocketSwitch625]

yeah, and notice how one trap is twice as big as the other..

symmetry, balance and proportion goes out the fucking window..

LOL

and don't even start with traps.

ronnie has traps that dorian would have killed for:

One trap isn't bigger than the other just a different shape and that is due to the angle the shot was taken at. Coleman's traps aren't always identical on both sides if you study the pics carefully. But you never do especially where Coleman is concerned.

[Hulkster]

LOL thanks for validating the trap imbalance.

its okay, all the other pics show the exact same thing!

[NarcissisticDeity]

hahaha ND is going to hate this.

Since we all know ND picks and choses which quotes to believe, selectively ignoring those that favor Ronnie or put down dorian, here is a quote from page 43 of the january 94 Musclemag:

like we have been saying: ultra striated and ripped Ronnie 99 shows better conditioning than dorian who lacks these attributes to the same degree..

the review of the 93 olympia also went on to point out that:

NOTICE: according to the eyewitness account:

Shawn Ray, Lee Labrada, Andreas Munzer AND Hambullah Aykutlu were ALL IN BETTER CONDITION THAN DORIAN YATES AT THE 93 OLYMPIA..

hahaha so much for the bullshit aobut dorian being the standard for conditioning! hahaha

hahahaa OWNED:

lets wait and see how ND piles on the excuses for this one:

dorian cannot match Ronnie in terms of conditioning.

hahaha

ND: you can fill in your excuses and pathetic attempts to discredit the quote below:

Hulkster I have this magazine  and NO WHERE does it say these guys are better conditioned than Dorian Yates you're full of shit and did you miss the quotea on Dorian?

How can I describe the man? Let me start with the fact that , when he won the Olympia lasy year , Dorian weighed a massive 244 RIPPED pounds. This year he was just as RIPPED and weighed 256 pounds! Off-season he had been no less than a phenomenal hard 295.

More

I honestly didn't believe that a man of 5'9" and a bit in height could be that HARD and CUT at 256 pounds

I love how you tried to link Ronnie 1999 to shawn , labarada and munzer you're so fucking pathetic lets hear what an eyewitness had to say on Ronnie 1999

Quote Peter McGough Flex Magazine Jan 2001

RONNIE COLEMAN : ( 264lbs As big as a house , but holding water. In '98 , he was shredded and bone dry at 250 pounds. Last year ( 1999 ) he was 257 pounds but NOT as sharp as '98. This year ( 2000 ) at 264 pounds , he's not as sharp as 99 , which would seem to say that Ronnie is better at a lighter weight .

1999 NOT as sharp as 98 Oh snap Ronnie Coleman specifically stated his best Olympia was 1998 and why? because his conditioning was ' spot on ' Oh damn nice try 

Now I'm going to bury you with comments of Dorian Conditioning
MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia


" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .

Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.

Oh snap did you see " completely RIPPED "

Peter Mcgough

  "These words should not be taken lightly, because no bodybuilder has ever been as hard and dry as the man who won six Sandows."

NO BODYBUILDER I think that includes Ronnie lol

Flex Magazine June 1996

Quote Milos Sarcev on Dorian Yates

" Dorian is.........The current Mr Olympia. I admire him a great deal. He's impressive , ripped and huge with a total package that can't be beat. he doesn't have the type of physique I'd want to emulate. "


RIPPED ( and total package )

Lee Priest

HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?

I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.

better condition ( no kidding )

Ironman Magazine Jan 1994

I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab

Man-mountain Dorian Yates was certainly the top gun in the 1993 Mr Olympia shootout. He was much bigger , better and harder than ever , and while his is never the prettiest physique on stage , he's assuredly the most God-awful muscular superman this sport has yet seen. Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.

This is a judge for christ's sake ! better and HARDER than ever ! and ' hardest '


Added Rockell: Dorian had a SLIGHT injury but as far as I'm concerned , it had NO bearing whatsoever. He was just so dense it made no overall difference. 

Another judge , commenting on Dorian's density at the 1994 Mr Olympia



 Quote Mike Mattarazo on Dorian Yates

" Does he even have skin? "

Mike commenting on Dorian's conditioning



Mr Olympia comeptitor Mike Christain

Quote
I think Dorian meet all the IFBB terms. He had mass , he was symmetrical and he had lots of definition. I thought he won. Can he be beaten? That depends on how you look at it. I say yes. But under the IFBB terms of juging -no. Number one is mass, He has that. Number two is symmetry. He is symmetrical Under the IFBB rules , he'll keep winning and winning."

Lots of definition

This is a quote from eight time Mr Olympia winner Lee Haney on Dorian Yates as he appeared at the 1993 Mr Olympia

" No doubt about it , Dorian was the winner . He's gotten bigger , with even more muscularity and detail. Fantastic! Out of sight. Y'know he was over and beyond a champion. He knows his body . It'll be hard for anyone to unseat him . "


Lee Haney 8 time Mr Olympia even more muscularity and detail


Kevin Horton

When I photgraphed Dorian , I told him " You should step onstage at 270 pounds. Do that , and there won't be a man on earth who can beat you." At 270 pounds Dorian was in very , very good condition , enough to put him in the top three onstage in hardness , and his untouachble size and thickness would have assured him the victory. For Dorian , however , this would noty do. " But it wouldn't be me " was his reply. He wasn't competing simply to the biggest. He wanted to be the best , and that meant being the biggest and the hardest and the thickest and the best all-around. He believes in putting 100% effiort into every aspect of bodybuilding . and that means not leaving anything out of his total package.

Dorian at 270 pounds was in the top three in terms of hardness nevermind when he cut down to 257 pounds

Kevin Horoton GetBig Dec 30th

The photo is technically terrible, fortunately the physique is awesome.
I'd agree with Kris about Dorian showing up on stage how he looked a few weeks out. There are some shots of him at around 280 - 285 shredded. That conditioning has not been surpassed.

280-285 pounds shredded that conditioning has NOT been surpassed , nevermind his conditionined when he dropped weight

Peter McGough Ironage
June 06 , 2003

The later photos were taken in his gym about seven weeks before the 1993 Olympia. He'd just finished a chest workout and he weighed 269 pounds. If I had to rate my most memorable bodybuilding moment the sight of Dorian that day would be neck-and-neck with the first time I saw Sergio. He hit the first shot, double biceps, and I walked up to him and said, "Don't worry Dorian. You have plenty of time to fix this. All is not lost."
I told him he could walk on to the Olympia stage in that condition weighing 269 pounds, untanned, with his socks on and still win.

McGough stating his conditioning at 269 pounds he was good enough to beat ANYONE at the 1993 Mr Olympia


For the 1993 Olympia he came in at 257 pounds and took straight firsts. We discussed it many times, and he sort of agreed that six weeks out was his best look, but knowing that the criteria was "condition, condition, condition"

knowing the criteria ( Hulkster ) condition , condition , condition


Flex magazine Dec 1995

Dorian Yates : Skin like tissue paper. In the crucial front double-biceps shot , the left bicep is short , but NOT fatally so. Traps look as if they have the capacity to render him deaf. Back , upper and lower , is sensational in EVERY respect : width , thickness and detail. Side triceps is a masterpiece that he's made into a Broadway production number. Thighs have more sweep than before . Calves? Yates wrote the book on calves . In muscle thickness , he's in a class of his own . Today's combination of size , proportion , shape and condition make this his peak form.

Skin like tissue paper , and this combo ( CONDITION ) make it his peak form


Peter McGough on Dorian at the 1996 Mr Olympia

Dorian Yates : The man was in situ was rock hard . His 257 pounds were augmented by an improved waist taper , His damaged left biceps has filled out remarkably and the only negative is that he could have been fuller in the thighs. But with his blend of size , symmetry , detail and condition , he was equipped to resist every challenge . At 3:25 p.m. as Yates completed the individual mandatories , the fat lady left the dressing room.


Rock hard , blend of size , symmetry DETAIL and CONDITION

Interview with David Robson

[ Q ] What were some of your better physical qualities as a bodybuilder, do you think?

      Obviously I carried a lot of muscle mass and my trademark was to come into a show in super hard condition. I think my muscles had a certain quality and density from all the years of heavy training that a lot of guys didn't have.


      One thing that I think people underrated me on - it was never really mentioned because of my sheer physical size and condition - was my balance and proportion. Not only from muscle group to muscle group, but from upper body to lower body. My skeletal structure and everything else was there and in good balance.

His trademark was to come into a show in SUPER HARD CONDITION


ulian Schmidt on Dorian Yates at the 1992 Mr Olympia

There is NO ONE in the world who can touch Yates. In this show he was a brain-snapping 242 pounds , all of it expertly distributed. Against all the finalist , sensational though they were , Dorian possessed thickness and convexity in his back none can match. Even Levrone's triceps and legs , which had the bodybuilding community aflutter all year , paled in comparison with the same bodyparts on Yates. Where others might also boast size and striations , Dorian dominates them with stratifications as well. It's eerie how far this man takes the human physique.

Stratifications !!


Please don't ever question Dorian's conditioning I mean only a fucking fool would question Dorian's conditioning his conditioning is LEGENDARY these quotes silence your stupidity .


owned 

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL thanks for validating the trap imbalance.

its okay, all the other pics show the exact same thing!

Grasping st straws kid , look at Ronnie's right front deltoid in the most muscular notice its more developed and bigger than the other ? stop cherry picking ever notice his calves aren't the same shape and size?

[NarcissisticDeity]

who the fuck cares what Lee Priest thinks when there are a million other pros, insiders, fans, and writers who believe the opposite?

you cling to lee's quote for dear life because he is pretty much the only pro in existance who actually believes dorian would win..

 

Always trying to ignore pro Yates quotes and fluff up your sides quotes

there are a million other pros, insiders, fans, and writers who believe the opposite?

  see argument ad populum , see Hulkster believing he's write because a LOT of people share that belief

maybe you missed these 


Flex Magazine Jan 1999

Ernie Taylor

" When I saw Ronnie Coleman backstage before the prejudging , it was looking at ' three-D ' again. He looked fantastic. But I think if Dorian ( Yates ) were competing he would have won the show . "



Lee Priest

HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?

I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.


Flex magazine October 2003 from Mike Matarazzo about Dorian

DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: The ultimate warrior. A straight-up no-bulls-t bodybuilder. He backed up everything with his physique. He silenced his critics with action. He bowed out at the end of his career with grace and style. He may go down in history as the greatest bodybuilder of all time.


 Q. This is my last question for you Ronnie, and it's quite "hypothetical" but I believe it is a good one. Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lee Haney, and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?

R.C. Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win... but I couldn't have beat them in their hey da

I don't care about this because its subjective many people feel Ronnie is better some people feel Dorian is better it doesn't mean EITHER are because of the subjective nature ...however conditioning & density aren't subjective , balance & proportion aren't subjective and both favor Yates and add that with having better posing & presentation and it I think I prove my case that Dorian would beat Ronnie because he satisfies the criteria better than Ronnie 

[NarcissisticDeity]

One trap isn't bigger than the other just a different shape and that is due to the angle the shot was taken at. Coleman's traps aren't always identical on both sides if you study the pics carefully. But you never do especially where Coleman is concerned.

Great post !

[RocketSwitch625]

Grasping st straws kid , look at Ronnie's right front deltoid in the most muscular notice its more developed and bigger than the other ? stop cherry picking ever notice his calves aren't the same shape and size?

Sulkster knows it makes sense. LOL

[NarcissisticDeity]

yeah, and notice how one trap is twice as big as the other..

symmetry, balance and proportion goes out the fucking window..

LOL

and don't even start with traps.

ronnie has traps that dorian would have killed for:

Hulkster I honestly can't believe that you type this ignorant shit , seriously !

First the traps are uneven because of the angle of the pic , which is another reason why pictures aren't an accurate gauge you're basing your opinion on a snap shot of a pose thats not viewed directly straight on , which is why it doesn't look asymmetrical in the black & white most muscular

Second you post a pic of the traps at their smallest ( from the front ) when you turn them around you get the full effect of the traps , Dorian's traps crush Ronnie's this isn't debatable I mean their physically larger & thicker than Ronnie in 1999 and I think any year , look at the separation of the upper & lower traps look how much larger the lower traps are compared to Ronnie and the fucking guy actually has striations in his traps I mean please show me one single picture of Ronnie's traps that are this complete , thickness , density , size and conditioning I mean you fucking can't.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Man Hulkster's taken a fucking beating today lol

Recall when he said he's just as qualified to judge a bodybuilding question sitting at home via pictures then professional judges are who are live and in person and I said you're high nothing beats being live & in person in the flesh well as usual I tell him he's wrong and I find a professional to verify my point of view after-the-fact and I found it lol

Bob Chick GetBig 10/05/07

THis is why pictures will never replace actually being there, in person and close to the stage....

Lets see Hulkster's comments on traps have been proven wrong , his comment on Dorian's conditioning has been proven wrong , his comment on Ronnie having better balance & proportion than Dorian has been proven wrong , and now his dumb comment on how pics are just as good as being in person has been proven wrong , see a pattern here? lol

Hulkster = owned

[slaveboy1980]

  No, Dorian would crush Ronnie, a point that has already been proven...

  The quotes about Ronnie being the best of all times are just opinions, and none of those quotes are from I.F.B.B judges, so I don't really care...

  Sure, the criteria was created by assorting the opinions of many professional judges on what constitutes the ideal physique, and it is definitely subjective. But it doesen't matter because we need some stable standard to judge physiques and it is the standard by which physiques are judged by the I.F.B.B, and using the criteria is the only way to determine who would win in a hypothetical match-up between the two becasue otherwise we'll be just giving our opinions and no conclusion could be drawn. as for my posts being bulshit, I prefer to believe that you lack capacity to comprehend what's written there. Such well thought-out analyses tends to be boring to people like you who lack the intellect to understand it. I forgive you!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

haha, so everyone else has an opinion but only you have the truth?

your analysis of dorians physique vs ronnies physique using so called bb criteria doesnt change the fact that the info you "channel" thru those criteria is subjective and the interpretation of those criteria is subjective.

so basically yates would beat ronnie according to your subjective opinion. i dont agree and many other bodybuilding experts agree with me.

[Hulkster]

great post!

[Hulkster]

Please don't ever question Dorian's conditioning I mean only a fucking fool would question Dorian's conditioning his conditioning is LEGENDARY these quotes silence your stupidity .

why should we not question dorian's conditioning?

I mean, we have TONS of visual proof that his arms and quads were  NOT very well conditioned compared to Ronnie. Nor were his delts, glutes or hams.

You are relying on the very argument that you seem to hate so much: the ad populum argument.

what you are saying is this:

 because dorian's conditioning was 'legendary' in the 1990's means that we should not question it.

why?

because 'everyone' says so.

However, that is the very argument you claim is 'weak'.

We ARE questioning his conditioning RELATIVE to Ronnie, as Ronnie took the sport to the next level.

I can't wait to hear how you will get out of this one.

here you are, using the ad populum argument as a way to justify dorian's conditioning, when you freak out about us using expert opinion about Ronnie..

 

[slaveboy1980]

great post!

and i wasnt even analysing the physiques...  ......just pointing out his flawed argumentation.

because in my opinion ronnie would defeat dorian when both are in best shape.

also, im abit sceptical to the so called bb criteria...just look at the winner of this years mr olympia  .........do the judges always know best? are the criteria flawed or is it the judges' interpretation of them?

as you see: the argumentation can be carried on many levels.

this will be my last post in this thread.

you cant get around the fact that its all speculation, altho some people ( ) like to believe that everyone else is dumb just because they dont agree with their highly subjective opinion.

ronnie>dorian (at their best)

[Hulkster]

according to ND the judges are 100% correct and accurate with the scoring all of the time.

thats why he goes on about how dorian was 'so dominant' and had so many perfect scores despite looking like this:

 

as you can see, he, like the judges at the time, had no clue.

of course the judges were only doing what Uncle Joe said.

ND, on the other hand, is just plain stupid.

[Mr.1derful]

The bottom line is this, "To be the man, you gotta beat the man."  And Ronnie Coleman never beat the man!

[suckmymuscle]

LOL, can anyone believe this moron? He types his bullshyt and thinks he owns someone. The comparisons are as close as they can be. Stop whining. You keep saying the same shyt over and over. Get over it.

  Listen to me, you fucking idiot. Bodybuilders are compared in the same stage, in the same lighting conditions, their size is what it is and everyone sees them with the same contrast - the one that the Human eye captures. This is completely different from comparing pictures of them where they are under different lighting conditions, where the contrast of the picture enhances the separations of one bodybuilder to the detriment of the other, and where the scale of the picture comes into play. why is this so fucking hard for you to comprehend? Are you retarded?

Since Ronnie became an 8 Time Mr. O champ, post 5 quotes stating that yates is the best bodybuilder of All-Time. Well if yates was so dominant, post some quotes from bodybuilders, experts, writers, judges, photographers etc. stating that he was. That's all you have to do to prove me wrong. I have many stating that Ronnie is the most dominant.

  When or where did I say that Dorian is the greatest mr.Olympia of all times, you retarded fuck? I said that he was the most dominant of all times, and I don't need quotes to prove it. Why? because dominance is determined number of straight-firsts victories, both in absolute numbers and especially in %. Ronnie won only 4 of his 8 Oympias with straight-firsts scores, which measn that he had 50% of straight-firsts wins. Dorian won 5 out of his 6 Olympias with straight-firsts scores, which makes his % of straigh-firsts victories a whooping 85%. Not only that, he actually has more straight-firsts victories over Ronnie in absolute terms, despite the fact that he competed in less Olympias. Conclusion: Dorian was a more dominant Mr.Olympias than Coleman by a long shot!

8 Mr. O titles,

  So what? He competed in twice as many Olympias. If Dorian had competed in as many Olympias as Ronnie, he would have won 12 olympias.

Most contest wins ever

  Again, related to the fact that he competed in far more contests than Dorian. Dorian could not win as many contests as Ronnie because he didn't compete in as many contests as Ronnie. Wht you never mention, of course, is that Ronnie lost more contests than anyone else as well.

Most contest wins in a row

  Maybe, but that's only because he competed so much. After Dorian became Mr.Olympia in 1992, he never again lost a contest, winning all the Oympias an Gand Prix shows he entered. Compare this to Ronnie, who did not only lose as a Mr.Olympia at a minor pro show, but was actually de-throned.

4 physiques considered the greatest (Mr. O 98, 99, 03, ASC 01, which I have quotes for)

  Again, opinions are like assholes. None of the people who said that Ronnie's physique was the best ever are official I.F.B.B judges, so I don't give a fuck about what they have to say.

You can't counter this. Now shut up and go back into your hole.

  I am more intelligent tha you, evident by the fact that I can easily counter everything you say. I seriously think you should fuck off from this thread, delete your account and move to Pluto.

So now Peter's quote only means for Ronnie's time? LOL, you' are a complete joke. Everyone knows (even ND) that Peter's quote means "All-Time".

  No, it doesen't! You lier! we don't know whether McGough's quote states that ronnie would be unbeatable by any bodybuilder who ever stepped onstage or only by his contemporary crop of competitors. Here are the two quotes from mcGough, one stating that Dorian's conditioning is the best ever and the other about Ronnie being unbeatable.

  "No bodybuilder has ever been as hard and dry as the man who won six Sandow."

  "Ronnie in this shape would be unbeatable."

  As you can see, in the quote about Dorian mcGough makes it as clear as day that he considers Dorian's conditioning as the best of all times, while in the quote about Ronnie he doesen't make it clear whether he's saying that Ronnie would be unbeatable by any bodybuilder ever or only by his competitors at the time. If McGough were saying that Ronnie would be unbeatable by all bodybuilders who ever competed, then he would have written that sentence as:

  "Ronnie in that shape would be unbeatable by any bodybuilder who ever graced a stage."
  
Or:

  "Ronnie in that shape would be able to defeat all bodybuilders who ever competed."

  I'm sorry, but the sentence: "Ronnie would be unbeatable" leaves the question mark of whether McGough was refering to all bodybuilders who ever stepped onstage or only to Dexter Jackson, Gunther, Cutler, Baddel, etc, and the other guys who were competing with him at his time. It can be interpreted in either way, and the only reason why you can't accept this is because you're a biased guy - but then, it could also be because you're stupid and you didn't think about this posibility. I prefer to think that it's a combination of both things.

Stop trying to change things you incompetent fool. If yates was so good and "unbeatable", he would of said it, but he said it about Ronnie. Peter specifically speaks about yates and Ronnie in the same damn sentence, but yet he mentioned Ronnie as unbeatable, not yates. Here is the exact quote moron (Note that this quote is from 2005):

  McGough never said that about either Dorian or Ronnie! He never said that either would be unbeatable by any other bodybuildrr who ever competed or by the other! He said that Ronnie would be unbeatable, but like I said, this is open to interpretation of whether he was refering only to the guys he was competing against or to all bodybuilders who ever stepped onstage. So stop making up lies to prove you case.

Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005

"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable and would make any criticisms as redundant as a chocolate squat rack."

  The key word here is "onstage" you fucking moron! He said that Dorian's physique in those pictures was a contender for best ever! He never said that Ronnie's physique was better, only that Dorian's physique was off-stage. What McGough is saying is that both physiques are contenders for best ever, but that one appeared onstage and the other off-stage. Stop putting words in mcGough's mouth!

LOL, you're quick to claim you owned someone, where in fact you just got OWNED.

  Oh, I have just brutally owned you. but you're right that perhaps i shouldn't brag about it since it's too easy.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[delta9mda]

The bottom line is this, "To be the man, you gotta beat the man."  And Ronnie Coleman never beat the man!

oh shit!

[Hulkster]

Ronnie redefined back thickness in 2003:

[Hulkster]

None of the people who said that Ronnie's physique was the best ever are official I.F.B.B judges, so I don't give a fuck about what they have to say.

LOL so the judges are all you care about?

have you SEEN how bad the judges decisions can be?:

 

let me help you a bit:

[Iceman1981]

Flex Magazine Jan 1999

Ernie Taylor

" When I saw Ronnie Coleman backstage before the prejudging , it was looking at ' three-D ' again. He looked fantastic. But I think if Dorian ( Yates ) were competing he would have won the show . "



Lee Priest

HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?

I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.


Flex magazine October 2003 from Mike Matarazzo about Dorian

DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: The ultimate warrior. A straight-up no-bulls-t bodybuilder. He backed up everything with his physique. He silenced his critics with action. He bowed out at the end of his career with grace and style. He may go down in history as the greatest bodybuilder of all time.


 Q. This is my last question for you Ronnie, and it's quite "hypothetical" but I believe it is a good one. Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lee Haney, and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?

R.C. Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win... but I couldn't have beat them in their hey days.


Flex Magazine September 2005

Peter McGough

On July 4, I found myself in conversation with Lou Ferrigno. No, we weren't talking about Paul Revere and Mad King George; instead, with the 2005 Olympia Weekend looming like a Ronnie Coleman lat spread, the Hulk wanted to know who I thought was the best-ever Mr. Olympia. My response was that it was impossible to choose. All any athlete--in any sport--can do is become the best in his era, and it is futile to try to compare champions from different eras.

Its IMPOSSIBLE TO CHOOSE did you catch that sport? Oh snap what did he just say? My response was that it was impossible to choose. did you just read that? because I did 

so just when you thought you made some sort of progress you got knocked back into last week .

No, just when you thought you made some sort of progress you got knocked back into last year.

LOL, Earnie Taylor and Lee Preist. I have quotes from Flex, Mattarazo and the man himself Dorian, stating that Ronnie would beat yates:

Bodybuilders stating that Ronnie would beat Yates:

1) Flex stating that Ronnie at his best is better than yates at his best. Flex has competed against both guys in their prime:

On Getbig boards: "Flex, who do you think had the better physique at their respective peaks - Dorian Yates or Ronnie Coleman ?

"Flex Wheeler: Hands down... RC"

2) Mike Mattarazo stating that Ronnie would beat yates. Mike has competed against both guys in their prime:

"FLEX JAN 1999: MIKE MATARAZZO on RONNIE COLEMAN at the 98 Olympia:

I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten DORIAN YATES.

I’m a very hard guy to impress, and I have never been so impressed by a bodybuilder since I saw LEE HANEY. Honestly, RONNIE had muscle bellies and striations jumping out all over the place! Nobody can touch FLEX WHEELER for symmetry-FLEX looks like GOD hand-painted him. So, not to degrade FLEX, but RONNIE COLEMAN is just leaps and bounds above everybody in the sport right now.”



Ronnie also said that he would win in the same damn sentence, So that quote cancels itself out automatically:

"R.C. Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win..."

Atleast yates has the balls to admit he would lose. Why can't you?:

Dorian Yates - Radio Interview:

Don Soloman: “Dorian Yates on his best day vs. Ronnie Coleman on his best day, Who wins?

"Dorian Yates – Ronnie would probably beat me. The judges would probably choose Ronnie over me."

Like I said, you have nothing. Post 5 quotes since Ronnie became 8 Time Mr. O champ that yates is the best of all-time. Until you do that, keep quiet. Matter of fact, let's see how many quotes you can post of yates being called "The best of all-time". I would like to see how many there are. If you are the best, people will say you're the best, like they say about Ronnie (example... greatest Mr. O, best physique, most dominant etc)

Here are some quotes to refresh your memory:

Greatest/ Best/Most Dominant/Mr. Olympia/Bodybuilder/Physique Of All-Time

1) Flex stating that Ronnie is the most biggest, hardest, shredded bodybuilder in history. Flex has competed against both guys in their prime:

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."


2) George De Pirro Flex Senior Editor Says that Ronnie is the most dominant pro bodybuilder of all-time:

FLEX Article talking about bodybuilding (Ronnie Coleman) from 96-06 Mr. O

"Anyone who denies Coleman's dominion over the past decade is truly kidding himself."

"The fact that the two contests under consideration basically bookend his reign at the top further solidifies his claim as the most dominating pro bodybuilder of all time."


3) Steve Blechman states that Ronnie is the greatest Mr. Olympia of all-time:

MD, page 44, Feb. 04, -Steve Blechman: "Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"


4) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia stating that Ronnie has presented a physique that could not be equaled (which also means that Ronnie has surpassed "everyone", that includes your hero yates):

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."


5) Dan Soloman on Ronnie Coleman 2003 at the 2004 Mr. Olympia:
   
“Last year Ronnie Coleman presented what we thought was the most extraordinary overall package in the history of the sport.”


6) Ben Weider – 2005 Mr Olympia:

“Ronnie Coleman will go down in history as the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time.”


7) Allan Donnelly  - Flex Issue November 2007 – Day In The Life Of Ronnie Coleman:

“In bodybuilding there has been no greater champion than Ronnie Coleman.”

“But he emerged – seemingly from nowhere - as perhaps the most dominant force the sport has ever seen.”

“I can’t help but wonder if the man who could be remembered as the greatest bodybuilder in history has one more great performance yet to give.”[/b]


Flex Wheeler at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“Ronnie is the biggest, hardest and most complete Mr. Olympia that ever walked the stage. Ronnie will go down as far as right now, unless somebody topples him in eight years. He’s the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time. I find it very hard to believe that somebody to be able to super exceed that.


9) Dave Palumbo at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“Ronnie Coleman is the greatest Mr. Olympia champion of All-Time. He has the most career wins.”


10) Dan Soloman & Gunter Schlierkamp at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“Ronnie Coleman at his very best was the greatest bodybuilder to ever live and it’s going to be a long time until someone comes along and prove other wise.

Gunter Schlierkamp: Yes.”


11) David Robson - 2007 Mr. Olympia Review:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson315.htm

“Not the perfect ending for Ronnie but he will leave the sport secure in the knowledge that he is the greatest pro bodybuilder ever to grace the stage.”


12) Bob Cicherillo - Pro Bodybuilding Weekly Show #90, October 1, 2007:

“What we just witnessed was history in the making. Ronnie would stop short of saying that he is the greatest of All-Time. I actually took that opportunity to say, you know what Ronnie, you can say it man. You are the best bodybuilder of All-Time.”


13) ) Written by Raymond Cassar - 2007 Muscletime Olympia Report

http://www.muscletime.com/news/latest/2007-mr-olympia-analysis/

“First I need to get one thing out of the way: There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best – No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic).”


14) Bob Cicherillo - PBW "2007 Olympia Prediction Show!" Show #89, September 24, 2007
     
 "When we talk about Ronnie Coleman, we almost have to talk about him as different versions of Ronnie. You got the 1998 & 2001 version of Ronnie. At 100% there's not a soul on this planet or any other that can touch him.


15) MR. OLYMPIA: EXPECTING THE UNEXPECTED
By: SHAWN PERINE
http://www.flexonline.com/news/245

"The man many consider the greatest bodybuilder who’s ever lived (Cutler himself has paid Coleman such a tribute) will no doubt squeeze every last ounce of potential from his superannuated self in his fight to regain his supremacy."



16) Peter McGough stating that Ronnie in his prime is unbeatable. Peter has seen both guys in their prime:

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that (01 ASC) look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."


Quoted From

1) Dorian Yates:

6 Time Mr. Olympia – 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997
Night Of Champions Winner – 1991
Runner up in Mr. Olympia - 1991

2) Flex Wheeler:

4 Time Arnold Classic Winner – 1993, 1997, 1998, 2000
3 Time Runner up in Mr. Olympia – 1993, 1998, 1999
Night Of Champions Winner - 1996
5 Time Ironman Pro Winner – 1993, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998

3) Jay Cutler:

2 Time Mr. Olympia Winner – 2006, 2007
3 Time Arnold Classic Winner – 2002, 2003, 2004
4 Time Runner up in Mr. Olympia – 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005
Night Of Champions Winner - 2000
Ironman Pro Winner - 2003

4) John Hansen:

2 Time Natural Mr.Universe – 1992, 1996
Natural Mr. Olympia Winner - 1998

5) Bob Cicherillo:

Masters Pro World - IFBB, Winner – 2006


6) Gunter Schlierkamp:

Show of Strength Pro Championship - IFBB, Winner - 2002


Other Quotes By:

Mike Mattarazo – Pro Bodybuilder
Dave Palumbo - Bodybuilder
Ben Weider - Co-Founder of the IFBB
Peter McGough - Flex Magazine Writer - One of the world's most renowned experts in the sport of bodybuilding.
Dan Soloman  - Pro Bodybuilding Weekly
George De Pirro - Flex Magazine Senior Editor
Steve Blechman - MD publisher/Owner
Allan Donnelly – Flex Magazine Writer
Shawn Perine - Flex Magazine Senior Writer
Raymond Cassar – MuscleTime Writer/Photographer
David Robson – Bodybuilder, Martial Artist, Accredited Personal Trainer and Writer

Face it. The pics, videos, quotes etc. are in Ronnie's favour big time. This thread should be over, but you ND are dragging this thing along for way too long. Just let it go. If you don't want to admit that Ronnie is better, all you have to do is stop posting in this thread and we would do the same. Yates was a great champion, but like he said:

Dorian yates states at the 2000 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

"Things are always progressing. People say to me, Dorian you are incredible, I've never seen a physique bigger and better. Hey, Of course you will. Things never stand still."  (Note: Ronnie Mr. O 1998, 1999, 2003 & 2001 ASC )

[Iceman1981]

 Listen to me, you fucking idiot. Bodybuilders are compared in the same stage, in the same lighting conditions, their size is what it is and everyone sees them with the same contrast - the one that the Human eye captures. This is completely different from comparing pictures of them where they are under different lighting conditions, where the contrast of the picture enhances the separations of one bodybuilder to the detriment of the other, and where the scale of the picture comes into play. why is this so fucking hard for you to comprehend? Are you retarded?
 

  When or where did I say that Dorian is the greatest mr.Olympia of all times, you retarded fuck? I said that he was the most dominant of all times, and I don't need quotes to prove it. Why? because dominance is determined number of straight-firsts victories, both in absolute numbers and especially in %. Ronnie won only 4 of his 8 Oympias with straight-firsts scores, which measn that he had 50% of straight-firsts wins. Dorian won 5 out of his 6 Olympias with straight-firsts scores, which makes his % of straigh-firsts victories a whooping 85%. Not only that, he actually has more straight-firsts victories over Ronnie in absolute terms, despite the fact that he competed in less Olympias. Conclusion: Dorian was a more dominant Mr.Olympias than Coleman by a long shot!

  So what? He competed in twice as many Olympias. If Dorian had competed in as many Olympias as Ronnie, he would have won 12 olympias.

  Again, related to the fact that he competed in far more contests than Dorian. Dorian could not win as many contests as Ronnie because he didn't compete in as many contests as Ronnie. Wht you never mention, of course, is that Ronnie lost more contests than anyone else as well.
 

  Maybe, but that's only because he competed so much. After Dorian became Mr.Olympia in 1992, he never again lost a contest, winning all the Oympias an Gand Prix shows he entered. Compare this to Ronnie, who did not only lose as a Mr.Olympia at a minor pro show, but was actually de-throned.

  Again, opinions are like assholes. None of the people who said that Ronnie's physique was the best ever are official I.F.B.B judges, so I don't give a fuck about what they have to say.

  I am more intelligent tha you, evident by the fact that I can easily counter everything you say. I seriously think you should fuck off from this thread, delete your account and move to Pluto.

  No, it doesen't! You lier! we don't know whether McGough's quote states that ronnie would be unbeatable by any bodybuilder who ever stepped onstage or only by his contemporary crop of competitors. Here are the two quotes from mcGough, one stating that Dorian's conditioning is the best ever and the other about Ronnie being unbeatable.

  "No bodybuilder has ever been as hard and dry as the man who won six Sandow."

  "Ronnie in this shape would be unbeatable."

  As you can see, in the quote about Dorian mcGough makes it as clear as day that he considers Dorian's conditioning as the best of all times, while in the quote about Ronnie he doesen't make it clear whether he's saying that Ronnie would be unbeatable by any bodybuilder ever or only by his competitors at the time. If McGough were saying that Ronnie would be unbeatable by all bodybuilders who ever competed, then he would have written that sentence as:

  "Ronnie in that shape would be unbeatable by any bodybuilder who ever graced a stage."
  
Or:

  "Ronnie in that shape would be able to defeat all bodybuilders who ever competed."

  I'm sorry, but the sentence: "Ronnie would be unbeatable" leaves the question mark of whether McGough was refering to all bodybuilders who ever stepped onstage or only to Dexter Jackson, Gunther, Cutler, Baddel, etc, and the other guys who were competing with him at his time. It can be interpreted in either way, and the only reason why you can't accept this is because you're a biased guy - but then, it could also be because you're stupid and you didn't think about this posibility. I prefer to think that it's a combination of both things.

  McGough never said that about either Dorian or Ronnie! He never said that either would be unbeatable by any other bodybuildrr who ever competed or by the other! He said that Ronnie would be unbeatable, but like I said, this is open to interpretation of whether he was refering only to the guys he was competing against or to all bodybuilders who ever stepped onstage. So stop making up lies to prove you case.

  The key word here is "onstage" you fucking moron! He said that Dorian's physique in those pictures was a contender for best ever! He never said that Ronnie's physique was better, only that Dorian's physique was off-stage. What McGough is saying is that both physiques are contenders for best ever, but that one appeared onstage and the other off-stage. Stop putting words in mcGough's mouth!

  Oh, I have just brutally owned you. but you're right that perhaps i shouldn't brag about it since it's too easy.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Oh Man, you actually wrote that crap? Now your changing the meaning in Peter's quote. Grow up dude. You're really looking stupid.

[RocketSwitch625]

Coleman's glutes are striated no doubt but at the same time I've never seen such a big arse on a bodybuilder.

This entire shot is ruined by the over sized arse:

[pumpster]

Since your ass obsession continues..

[NarcissisticDeity]

No, just when you thought you made some sort of progress you got knocked back into last year.

LOL, Earnie Taylor and Lee Preist. I have quotes from Flex & Mattarazo stating that Ronnie would beat yates:

Bodybuilders stating that Ronnie would beat Yates:

1) Flex stating that Ronnie at his best is better than yates at his best. Flex has competed against both guys in their prime:

On Getbig boards: "Flex, who do you think had the better physique at their respective peaks - Dorian Yates or Ronnie Coleman ?

"Flex Wheeler: Hands down... RC"

2) Mike Mattarazo stating that Ronnie would beat yates. Mike has competed against both guys in their prime:

"FLEX JAN 1999: MIKE MATARAZZO on RONNIE COLEMAN at the 98 Olympia:

I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten DORIAN YATES.

I’m a very hard guy to impress, and I have never been so impressed by a bodybuilder since I saw LEE HANEY. Honestly, RONNIE had muscle bellies and striations jumping out all over the place! Nobody can touch FLEX WHEELER for symmetry-FLEX looks like GOD hand-painted him. So, not to degrade FLEX, but RONNIE COLEMAN is just leaps and bounds above everybody in the sport right now.”



Ronnie also said that he would win in the same damn sentence, So that quote cancels itself out automatically:

"R.C. Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win..."

Atleast yates has the balls to admit he would lose. Why can't you?:

Dorian Yates - Radio Interview:

Don Soloman: “Dorian Yates on his best day vs. Ronnie Coleman on his best day, Who wins?

"Dorian Yates – Ronnie would probably beat me. The judges would probably choose Ronnie over me."

Like I said, you have nothing. Post 5 quotes since Ronnie became 8 Time Mr. O champ that yates is the best of all-time. Until you do that, keep quiet. Matter of fact, let's see how many quotes you can post of yates being called "The best of all-time". I would like to see how many there are. If you are the best, people will say you're the best, like they say about Ronnie (example... greatest Mr. O, best physique, most dominant etc)

Here are some quotes to refresh your memory:

Greatest/ Best/Most Dominant/Mr. Olympia/Bodybuilder/Physique Of All-Time

1) Flex stating that Ronnie is the most biggest, hardest, shredded bodybuilder in history. Flex has competed against both guys in their prime:

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."


2) George De Pirro Flex Senior Editor Says that Ronnie is the most dominant pro bodybuilder of all-time:

FLEX Article talking about bodybuilding (Ronnie Coleman) from 96-06 Mr. O

"Anyone who denies Coleman's dominion over the past decade is truly kidding himself."

"The fact that the two contests under consideration basically bookend his reign at the top further solidifies his claim as the most dominating pro bodybuilder of all time."


3) Steve Blechman states that Ronnie is the greatest Mr. Olympia of all-time:

MD, page 44, Feb. 04, -Steve Blechman: "Ronnie Coleman is not only the greatest Mr. O of all time, he is also one of the oldest"


4) John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia stating that Ronnie has presented a physique that could not be equaled (which also means that Ronnie has surpassed "everyone", that includes your hero yates):

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."


5) Dan Soloman on Ronnie Coleman 2003 at the 2004 Mr. Olympia:
   
“Last year Ronnie Coleman presented what we thought was the most extraordinary overall package in the history of the sport.”


6) Ben Weider – 2005 Mr Olympia:

“Ronnie Coleman will go down in history as the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time.”


7) Allan Donnelly  - Flex Issue November 2007 – Day In The Life Of Ronnie Coleman:

“In bodybuilding there has been no greater champion than Ronnie Coleman.”

“But he emerged – seemingly from nowhere - as perhaps the most dominant force the sport has ever seen.”

“I can’t help but wonder if the man who could be remembered as the greatest bodybuilder in history has one more great performance yet to give.”[/b]


Flex Wheeler at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“Ronnie is the biggest, hardest and most complete Mr. Olympia that ever walked the stage. Ronnie will go down as far as right now, unless somebody topples him in eight years. He’s the greatest Mr. Olympia of All-Time. I find it very hard to believe that somebody to be able to super exceed that.


9) Dave Palumbo at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“Ronnie Coleman is the greatest Mr. Olympia champion of All-Time. He has the most career wins.”


10) Dan Soloman & Gunter Schlierkamp at the 2007 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

“Ronnie Coleman at his very best was the greatest bodybuilder to ever live and it’s going to be a long time until someone comes along and prove other wise.

Gunter Schlierkamp: Yes.”


11) David Robson - 2007 Mr. Olympia Review:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson315.htm

“Not the perfect ending for Ronnie but he will leave the sport secure in the knowledge that he is the greatest pro bodybuilder ever to grace the stage.”


12) Bob Cicherillo - Pro Bodybuilding Weekly Show #90, October 1, 2007:

“What we just witnessed was history in the making. Ronnie would stop short of saying that he is the greatest of All-Time. I actually took that opportunity to say, you know what Ronnie, you can say it man. You are the best bodybuilder of All-Time.”


13) ) Written by Raymond Cassar - 2007 Muscletime Olympia Report

http://www.muscletime.com/news/latest/2007-mr-olympia-analysis/

“First I need to get one thing out of the way: There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best – No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic).”


14) Bob Cicherillo - PBW "2007 Olympia Prediction Show!" Show #89, September 24, 2007
     
 "When we talk about Ronnie Coleman, we almost have to talk about him as different versions of Ronnie. You got the 1998 & 2001 version of Ronnie. At 100% there's not a soul on this planet or any other that can touch him.


15) MR. OLYMPIA: EXPECTING THE UNEXPECTED
By: SHAWN PERINE
http://www.flexonline.com/news/245

"The man many consider the greatest bodybuilder who’s ever lived (Cutler himself has paid Coleman such a tribute) will no doubt squeeze every last ounce of potential from his superannuated self in his fight to regain his supremacy."



16) Peter McGough stating that Ronnie in his prime is unbeatable. Peter has seen both guys in their prime:

Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005

"Ronnie sporting that (01 ASC) look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."


Quoted From

1) Dorian Yates:

6 Time Mr. Olympia – 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997
Night Of Champions Winner – 1991
Runner up in Mr. Olympia - 1991

2) Flex Wheeler:

4 Time Arnold Classic Winner – 1993, 1997, 1998, 2000
3 Time Runner up in Mr. Olympia – 1993, 1998, 1999
Night Of Champions Winner - 1996
5 Time Ironman Pro Winner – 1993, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998

3) Jay Cutler:

2 Time Mr. Olympia Winner – 2006, 2007
3 Time Arnold Classic Winner – 2002, 2003, 2004
4 Time Runner up in Mr. Olympia – 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005
Night Of Champions Winner - 2000
Ironman Pro Winner - 2003

4) John Hansen:

2 Time Natural Mr.Universe – 1992, 1996
Natural Mr. Olympia Winner - 1998

5) Bob Cicherillo:

Masters Pro World - IFBB, Winner – 2006


6) Gunter Schlierkamp:

Show of Strength Pro Championship - IFBB, Winner - 2002


Other Quotes By:

Mike Mattarazo – Pro Bodybuilder
Dave Palumbo - Bodybuilder
Ben Weider - Co-Founder of the IFBB
Peter McGough - Flex Magazine Writer - One of the world's most renowned experts in the sport of bodybuilding.
Dan Soloman  - Pro Bodybuilding Weekly
George De Pirro - Flex Magazine Senior Editor
Steve Blechman - MD publisher/Owner
Allan Donnelly – Flex Magazine Writer
Shawn Perine - Flex Magazine Senior Writer
Raymond Cassar – MuscleTime Writer/Photographer
David Robson – Bodybuilder, Martial Artist, Accredited Personal Trainer and Writer

Face it. The pics, videos, quotes etc. are in Ronnie's favour big time. This thread should be over, but you ND are dragging this thing along for way too long. Just let it go. If you don't want to admit that Ronnie is better, all you have to do is stop posting in this thread and we would do the same. Yates was a great champion, but like he said:

Dorian yates states at the 2000 Mr. Olympia about Ronnie Coleman:

"Things are always progressing. People say to me, Dorian you are incredible, I've never seen a physique bigger and better. Hey, Of course you will. Things never stand still."  (Note: Ronnie Mr. O 1998, 1999, 2003 & 2001 ASC )

No, just when you thought you made some sort of progress you got knocked back into last year.

LOL, Earnie Taylor and Lee Preist. I have quotes from Flex & Mattarazo stating that Ronnie would beat yates:

Bodybuilders stating that Ronnie would beat Yates:

1) Flex stating that Ronnie at his best is better than yates at his best. Flex has competed against both guys in their prime:

On Getbig boards: "Flex, who do you think had the better physique at their respective peaks - Dorian Yates or Ronnie Coleman ?

"Flex Wheeler: Hands down... RC"

2) Mike Mattarazo stating that Ronnie would beat yates. Mike has competed against both guys in their prime:

"FLEX JAN 1999: MIKE MATARAZZO on RONNIE COLEMAN at the 98 Olympia:

I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten DORIAN YATES.

I’m a very hard guy to impress, and I have never been so impressed by a bodybuilder since I saw LEE HANEY. Honestly, RONNIE had muscle bellies and striations jumping out all over the place! Nobody can touch FLEX WHEELER for symmetry-FLEX looks like GOD hand-painted him. So, not to degrade FLEX, but RONNIE COLEMAN is just leaps and bounds above everybody in the sport right now.”

You're stuck on a very subjective topic and it leads you NO WHERE ! you laugh at Priest & Taylor yet proudly post quotes from Flex & Mattarazzo how retarded can you be? what makes you think those two are right and the two I posted were wrong? you have retard logic

Flex Wheeler thought he won the 1999 Mr Olympia . did in then win it because he said he did? lol Flex competed against both of them so he's right? Flex Wheeler also had Ronnie Coleman at this years Olympia WINNING after prejudging so that mean he's right? Flex's abilities solely based on his history are worthless especially when you couple that with the subjective nature of the claim to start with and why?

Flex Magazine September 2005

Peter McGough

On July 4, I found myself in conversation with Lou Ferrigno. No, we weren't talking about Paul Revere and Mad King George; instead, with the 2005 Olympia Weekend looming like a Ronnie Coleman lat spread, the Hulk wanted to know who I thought was the best-ever Mr. Olympia. My response was that it was impossible to choose. All any athlete--in any sport--can do is become the best in his era, and it is futile to try to compare champions from different eras.

Its impossible to choose and why? because of the subjective nature of the topic

and any quote you post thats pro Ronnie doesn't negate the quotes for pro Dorian regardless of how many you type , you type Mike Mattarazzo as some proof its not in the same breathe he's claiming Yates will go down in history as the greatest Mr Olympia

Flex magazine October 2003 from Mike Matarazzo about Dorian

DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: The ultimate warrior. A straight-up no-bulls-t bodybuilder. He backed up everything with his physique. He silenced his critics with action. He bowed out at the end of his career with grace and style. He may go down in history as the greatest bodybuilder of all time.

And did you did gloss over what Shawn Ray had to say about Ronnie Coleman 1998? 


Ronnie Coleman was the most improved bodybuilder , and they should have an award for that but it SHOULDN'T be the overall title. Ronnie Coleman won the Mr Olympia for making the most improvement.

Ronnie does NOT have the complete physique. He has a certain degree of shape and detail but , let's be honest , he has a lot of weaknesses : calves , hamstrings , midsection. He has flaws on his physique that you just can't find on my physique or Flex Wheeler's physique.

Did they even count the posing routine? Ronnie Coleman is never going to be remembered for a posing routine.

Shawn Ray saying Ronnie should have won the 1998 Mr Olympia , does it mean he's right and its true just because he says it? so spare the subjective opinions as some sort of proof because its NOT

Ronnie also said that he would win in the same damn sentence, So that quote cancels itself out automatically:

"R.C. Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win..."

Atleast yates has the balls to admit he would lose. Why can't you?:

Dorian Yates - Radio Interview:

Don Soloman: “Dorian Yates on his best day vs. Ronnie Coleman on his best day, Who wins?

"Dorian Yates – Ronnie would probably beat me. The judges would probably choose Ronnie over me."

You're drawing you're own conclusions  what part of this did you miss?

I couldn't have beat them in their hey days.  

Yates said the judges would probably go with Ronnie based on a size advantage in NO WHERE did he say " Oh Ronnie beats me I couldn't stand a chance he's so much better than me " thats what you guys fantasize about and its NOT reality , Ronnie would have a size advantage and thats about it , Dorian meets all the other criteria better than Ronnie  and lets negate the size advantage and bump Yates up to 280-285 pounds then what advantage would Ronnie have NONE lol at all

Kevin Horoton GetBig Dec 30th

The photo is technically terrible, fortunately the physique is awesome.
I'd agree with Kris about Dorian showing up on stage how he looked a few weeks out. There are some shots of him at around 280 - 285 shredded. That conditioning has not been surpassed.

and Yates was commenting on a heavier Yates I'd love to hear what he would have to say about a lighter one let says 1998/1999 I'd bet that answer would be very different lol